Jim

Well, without delving through all that data (which I guess indicates that the majority of people like the Pioneer Nav system) I wonder why MINE isn't capable of plotting a reasonably logical course between point a and point b? Maybe I need to dump my ride and get a Lincoln Zephyr?

This is similar to my gripe with the Nav system. Why is it that Pioneer (or any big company for that matter) won’t fix the defect? Instead they will offer an “update†which we get to pay handsomely for. That’s BS. I paid 2K for a nav system and it should work, and it should work correctly. When you buy the flagship you expect the best. If I wanted “sort-of†I would have bought sort-of.

Hell, I guess you guys know how I voted...

OK, you're right. I'll be quiet now. But hey, I did say it was a great CD storage device and the other options are simply fantastic.

I’m sorry, would you rather I kept my observations to myself? I have to guess that your unit is the same as mine, so it has the same defects as the one in my car. You’ve made the decision to tout this unit as a realistic navigation device but I don’t. Are you asking me to sit here quietly and allow others to spend thousands of dollars on a device that is of such substandard quality? I will be the first person to say that this is a great CD storage device, and that the other options are simply fantastic. But anyone looking for an accurate navigation system is going to get bu

No, not really. I would have to call it expected. Pioneer's navigation system was substandard in the first place. Why would adding an extra layer of complexity help it any?

OK, good luck, I wish the best for you! But the fact the Pioneer has mismanaged your trip to that degree should tell you something.

Hey Moderator, maybe you can move this to the Z1 forum for me. Sorry, my bad...

How do you know? If you're just using it around town you have no idea of what it will, or will not do when you ask it to perform in the real world. Around town, no navigation system is going to know the shortcuts that you and I might know, so we make exceptions for it wanting to take certain roads that might not be the shortest or fastest route. But when you take a navigation system out on the road and travel between several states, you will get a real feel for the unit’s capabilities, or lack thereof. For instance, I just went outside and plotted in my next destination in both

It is my understanding that the upgrade only updates the maps. And I've never had any problems finding anything on the map, just had problems getting to it efficiently. But who knows... maybe Pioneer is going to sneak a software upgrade in at the same time. I'm sure that Pioneer knows of this problem, there is no way that they couldn't. My guess is that they are working on a way to fix it. (After all, I don't think that Pioneer really wants to put out a crappy product.) It's only a matter of time before serious navigation users get fed up and force them to either fix the problem

I travel alot, and I'm not always going somewhere that I already know the route. Kind of hard to "pay attention" to alternate routes when you don't know what the route is supposed to be in the first place. In the cases that I'm going somewhere I already know the correct route my Pioneer generally tries to plot a route that isn't the one that anyone (in the know) would choose to follow. My average trip is going to be between 7-10 hours long. I don't want my GPS to take me on a route that add's another hour or more to the trip. And that's what Pioneer does, almost without exception.

Oh hell yes, I've tried everything. The unit doesn't even include the correct route in its choises. And it's not just this route that it screws up. This unit has been so inacurate that I won't even use the navagation system anymore and I bought a portable Garmin. The Pioneer is a good stereo, but it isn't worth a flip when it comes to accurate or depenable navagation. And I can't for a minute believe that it's just mine. Is there anyone on this board that can honestly tell me that they use their units on a regular basis (to go places that hundreds of miles distant) and they trust thei

1) I've driven the route for the last 10 years and I know it well. The route I travel, and the one that everyone else travels, is 440 miles from start to finish. The route(s) that the Pioneer chooses are 490 miles from start to finish. 2)I have several other nav systems, one (an eclipse) I just recently sold when I sold my truck. It chose the correct route. The one in my M5 chooses the correct route. The one in my S500 chooses the correct route. And the Garmin that I purchased a few weeks ago (to replace this pos pioneer) also chooses the correct route. But having found this site I wa

I've had my Pioneer AVIC-Z1 for 6 months. Bought the top of the line because I wanted the best GPS unit available. What I got was a good stereo but a POS GPS. This unit will almost always plot out the incorrect route. Now I'm not saying that it won't get you to your destination, because it will. But it seldom takes you there quickly or correctly. I went back and forth with the dealer; even exchanged the unit once figuring that it might be defective. But it still has no clue as far as navigation goes. For instance, I have a home in North Carolina and I have driven from Pensacol