C6VetteRocks Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 It would cost more just because there would be a niche that would pay, myself included, but why? Nothing listed is bleeding edge. Even the “conversational†type speech recognition is not new, just perfected. Though I remember a now retired VP that 20 years ago told a speech recognition group that “there is no future in speech recognitionâ€. But I digress, and is in the new portables and Ford / Lincoln / Mercury cars. Everything has Bluetooth and 802.11b/g Wi-Fi. A 160GB iPod is only around $350 so the drive can’t be expensive when you figure in profit + Apple tax + iPod tax. Blu-ray drives are in laptops so cost is down on those also. All the audio features are again old news in the laptop world. The only thing left is the LCD, which can’t be that big a cost. So you take a Z, replace the hard drive, DVD drive, and the 4.1 audio decoder with a 7.1 decoder. Upgrade the satellite interface to handle HD Radio. Add the iPod, Bluetooth, and Wi-Fi. No real new hardware engineering involved since it’s all there and cut-and-paste. Now where the cost would be is licensing and certifications for MS Direct, THX, etc. Also the software to improve the interfaces. As for the F being like Vista, pick your favorite Apple commercial. So just like with XP, I’ll be staying with my Z. its not so much a matter of what it would come with, but more of having an all-in-one multimedia navigation unit...and having it all work properly with no long boot-up times. and ive never heard of blue-ray compatible head units. last i heard blu ray players were about a grand. so that in a unit, PLUS the required hd screen for the blu-ray to work, plus all the other featres mentioned would make it quite expensive. but well worth it if thats the thing your into. Fast example:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118013 - PC Blu-Ray drive 159.99, didn't take the time to look for a laptop style one. Built-in drives are just drives without the covers and front. A player is a all in one which contains the audio and video parts already in the "cool" Z. Also Blu-ray compatible doesn't mean true HD 1024P video. Most Blu-ray players let you select the output resolution for 1024P all the way down to standard composit output. So outputing to the F's new resolution in a Z size screen is just a input to the decoder / generator. As for boot-up times, I remeber the first IBM PCs taking long enough to go to the bathroom and get a beverage before the went through their 640K memory. Now I can do the same thing again waiting just for XP to start and get all the virus / spam / popup / firewall / etc. started and be useable. But I do understand your point, but at least the Z will show you your backup view. Luckly I'm old school and start up first then do the tilt, temp, windows, and then have to back up and by then it's booted. Your are right, they would make us pay through the nose. But, as I've seen through 30 years in computers, in the long run you get more ROI for building the top end first and de-featuring to match market segments, instead of needing to bust a$$ to try to make it better to match the competition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CatchMeIfYouCan631 Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 i guess. i just figure that with all those listed features pioneer can sell it for alot and people would by it. ive said many times on here i kno nothing about computers, and im not ashamed to admit it, but i am good with logic and reason. pioneer would throw that price sky high and people would still buy it cause "it has blu ray, it has this, has that, etc" even tho that pc blu ray drive is like $160, doesnt change the fact pioneer will add another $300 on the price, i dont know if im making sense i literally just woke up 10 minutes ago and the screen is hurting my eyes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bitman Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 last i heard blu ray players were about a grand. so that in a unit, PLUS the required hd screen for the blu-ray to work, plus all the other featres mentioned would make it quite expensive. but well worth it if thats the thing your into. the sony ps3 isn't a grand and has an blu-ray player on board... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
howdyall Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 i guess. i just figure that with all those listed features pioneer can sell it for alot and people would by it. ive said many times on here i kno nothing about computers, and im not ashamed to admit it, but i am good with logic and reason. pioneer would throw that price sky high and people would still buy it cause "it has blu ray, it has this, has that, etc" even tho that pc blu ray drive is like $160, doesnt change the fact pioneer will add another $300 on the price, i dont know if im making sense i literally just woke up 10 minutes ago and the screen is hurting my eyes Regarding BR, what is the screen size and viewing distance? I seriously doubt the extra resolution, assuming the in-car display could even display 1080p content, would be visible. Seems like a waste of money and effort. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CatchMeIfYouCan631 Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 last i heard blu ray players were about a grand. so that in a unit, PLUS the required hd screen for the blu-ray to work, plus all the other featres mentioned would make it quite expensive. but well worth it if thats the thing your into. the sony ps3 isn't a grand and has an blu-ray player on board... listen dont give me that wink. blu ray players are alot. and sony knows that the system wont sell for that much, esp when 360 is sellin for about 400 so dont startin pickin at my post to make a pointless comment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CatchMeIfYouCan631 Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 i guess. i just figure that with all those listed features pioneer can sell it for alot and people would by it. ive said many times on here i kno nothing about computers, and im not ashamed to admit it, but i am good with logic and reason. pioneer would throw that price sky high and people would still buy it cause "it has blu ray, it has this, has that, etc" even tho that pc blu ray drive is like $160, doesnt change the fact pioneer will add another $300 on the price, i dont know if im making sense i literally just woke up 10 minutes ago and the screen is hurting my eyes Regarding BR, what is the screen size and viewing distance? I seriously doubt the extra resolution, assuming the in-car display could even display 1080p content, would be visible. Seems like a waste of money and effort. it doesnt matter. because mindless people see blu ray and think "ohh thats hot, no units ever come out with that" and its a sale. 1080p is only for big screens but the ability to play blu ray discs is the selling factor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobsyouruncle Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 the sony ps3 isn't a grand and has an blu-ray player on board... And sony also takes a substantial loss on every PS3 they sell. Money is made on licensing from the games, not actually selling the console. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HiFiSi Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 What the hell are you guys talking about??? You can buy a blu-ray drive for less than $150. And a blu-ray BURNER for a little over $300 or so. And those are retail prices. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bitman Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 What the hell are you guys talking about??? You can buy a blu-ray drive for less than $150. And a blu-ray BURNER for a little over $300 or so. And those are retail prices. @HiFiSi, thanks finally some one talking some sense here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C6VetteRocks Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Regarding BR, what is the screen size and viewing distance? I seriously doubt the extra resolution, assuming the in-car display could even display 1080p content, would be visible. Seems like a waste of money and effort. Can we all get one thing nailed down. Blu-ray is not a resolution, it is a media format. The format is caused by the type laser used and the disk layers. A DVD laser system is not compatible with Blu-ray media, but the Blu-ray laser system is compatible with DVD media. Blu-ray format simply will store enough data for a 1024p movie. You could put 1024p onto a DVD but you would need more than one disk for the movie. That is why you buy a 2-disk special DVD set and only one Blu-ray DVD that has all the same extras. What puts pixels on the screen is the video decoder chip and it's driver software. Set the software to 640x480 and you can watch AVP 2 from Blu-ray on the oldest color PC monitor you can figure out how to hook up. Putting a Blu-ray drive in only means that you can play any DVD (the now defunked HD-DVD that came in the brown cases doesn't count, since it played the VHS part this time and it lost) or Blu-ray DVD in your car. I expect soon all DVD drives will be Blu-ray drives and the difference between price points will be audio and video output capabilities and features. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HiFiSi Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 the now defunked HD-DVD that came in the brown cases doesn't count, since it played the VHS part this time and it lost I'd say HD-DVD was more like Betamax... and blu-ray is like VHS... if we're going with that analogy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skicrave Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 And the resolution that Blu-Ray (or any other hi-def format) media is stored in is 1080p, not 1024. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
michaelgates Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 You guys are obviously not computer guys, so stop beating up on Microsoft. You can't just add a blue ray drive in a laptop or Head unit and expect it to play Blue ray movies. Try lookup video decoding processors, HDCP, or even DRM. Second Vista is not that bad, the only people I know that really have problems with vista are people who don't have vista, or people who don't know that much about computers, or your computer is in need of upgrading. And if you are complaining of that printer or scanner that doesn't work anymore then I would ask you whose responsibility is it to put drivers out for those devices (that's what I thought). If you want to compare the new F-series to anything let’s compare it to Windows ME, for all you people who were scared of the Y2K bug (remember that, a whole lot of people cashed in on that bull Sh@!). I'm sorry if I'm bitching but sometimes I have to listen to people who don't really know what they are talking about. And finally to get any real benefit of HD (1080p or i) resolution you would need a native resolution of 1920 x 1080. I welcome any counter arguments. Me personally I’m going to wait for pioneer to fix the problems and then this will be the last pioneer Head Unit that I buy. As far as you Microsoft haters get a PS3, Mac, and whatever else you can thinks of but consider this Microsoft revolutionized the console industry blurring the lines between game console and PC which caused Sony to step their game up (I’m not going to get into the argument of which system is better), and they put a computer in every home, and regardless of whatever you say that is a truth, Thank you Bill, we are going to miss you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C6VetteRocks Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 And the resolution that Blu-Ray (or any other hi-def format) media is stored in is 1080p, not 1024. Your correct, my miss type. Too many years of binary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VBLUE42 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Second Vista is not that bad, the only people I know that really have problems with vista are people who don't have vista, or people who don't know that much about computers, or your computer is in need of upgrading. And that just happens to be 90% of the home computer market. The idea that you would claim that vista is not that bad because you know how to "fight" the OS to keep it working doesn't mean that most of the people using any computer know as much and there for cant keep the damn thing working properly. Vista is a joke, period. That is why more people are going back to XP or even better, for the first time in their lives, are buying Mac's. And Apple is selling more Mac's every year then ever before. Sure it will be a very long time before they take a significant share of the personal computer market but it is coming. Just as they are forcing a change in the phone/PDA market in a faster time period then any other company ever has before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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