theorangeman Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 While I've done a lot of reading about the F90BT, I haven't had a chance to play with it, until today. Because of my research, I knew going into it that the navigation only had a 3D mode and a 2D mode (without track up). However, I didn't realize how big of an issue that is probably going to be for me until seeing it today. I've used an external garmin unit for the last two years and the only mode I have ever found useful is the 2D track up mode. However, I was hoping that the 3D mode would suffice. What I found, by having the unit demo a route similar to my daily 40 minute commute, is that the 2D mode would be frustrating because it is counterintuitive. I don't want a unit that shows me driving in different directions on the screen other than up, hence the reason that most navigation owners like and use the track up feature. Therefore, I used the 3D mode and the problem with that was that it shows much less detail and on a longer route (such as my 40 minute commute - 35 miles or so), it doesn't allow me to zoom out as much as the 2D does. The 2D mode allows me to zoom out so that I can see where I'm starting from and where I'm going to and many ranges imbetween (not so with the 3D mode). My question to those of you F series owners - is this not something that also bothers you or is it something that you just learned to deal with over time? After today, I'm thinking that this might be a deal breaker for me but before I make that decision, I figured it would be good to get opinions from people who own and use the unit on a daily basis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skicrave Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Yep, it bothers a lot of people, which is why there are some many threads about it. We're working on a fix, but ultimately it will probably take Pioneer released iGo 8.3 for the F-Series to fix it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MercuyMan Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Same here! Also, I don't know if this happen with all Nav systems (or just mine) but, sometimes when I stop at a redlight the arrow on 3D mode will think that I'm going in a different direction. When I stop sometimes, (not always) it will kick to the right and as soon as I drive straight through the light, it then straightens up. Duh-No? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MercuyMan Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Guess I should stop stopping @ redlights... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julius Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Same here! Also, I don't know if this happen with all Nav systems (or just mine) but, sometimes when I stop at a redlight the arrow on 3D mode will think that I'm going in a different direction. When I stop sometimes, (not always) it will kick to the right and as soon as I drive straight through the light, it then straightens up. Duh-No? No, my Eclipse Nav unit doesn't do that.When I stop at a redlight the cursor stops as well and there's no kick to the right when I start driving. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GDGR Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I actually really like "north up." Always have, it's the mode I've used on all of my nav systems. I don't like the whole thing rotating for just slight turns. Yuck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Segler1963 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 but over here we call track up the "womans setting" as women are usually not that good in reading maps north up. I would go crazy with the map rotating all the time, for me north up is much more intuitive especially when looking for shortcuts in heavy urban traffic where the routing is useless as it doesn't get TMC information. never mind Jörg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julius Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I actually really like "north up." Always have, it's the mode I've used on all of my nav systems. I don't like the whole thing rotating for just slight turns. Yuck. I agree 100%! I don't like the whole screen turning either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pipspeak Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Heads up is a far more natural way for navigating IMO... but, like the OP, my main gripe with the 3D view is the total lack of detail when you even start to zoom out. I tend to want to know a bit about where I am in the big picture, so to speak, which is why 300ft of nav detail just won't cut it. I hate being a slave to turn-by-turn directions... I'd rather give myself an idea of where I am and where I'm going in the next few miles. Must be the old map reader in me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kd6icz Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I have owned a Kenwood 4100 nav for the past 4 years. I installed the F700 today and I was wondering if there is a zoom in and out feature? I sure could not find it if there is. I can tell that when you pay a quarter of the price, you get a quarter of a product. I am really gonna miss the DVD based nav. I hope I am able to get used to this thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dandar Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I guess it depends on what you're used to. I have a TomTom 720 and I've never used anything but the 3d mode. To me lack of 2D is a non-issue. The nav shows you what your next turn is, how to get to where you're going and where you are, everything else is just fluff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julius Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I have owned a Kenwood 4100 nav for the past 4 years. I installed the F700 today and I was wondering if there is a zoom in and out feature? I sure could not find it if there is. I can tell that when you pay a quarter of the price, you get a quarter of a product. I am really gonna miss the DVD based nav. I hope I am able to get used to this thing. How did you like the Kenwood? What are your pro's and con's on the unit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pipspeak Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I have owned a Kenwood 4100 nav for the past 4 years. I installed the F700 today and I was wondering if there is a zoom in and out feature? AFAIK (having only played with the unit for hours in stores) you simply tilt the "volume" knob up or down to zoom in or out. I can tell that when you pay a quarter of the price, you get a quarter of a product. I'd never thought of it that way... however, the F700 might have BT but it does lack DVD playback so it sorta cancels things out. More worrying IMO is that iGo software is not exactly common and popular in the nav world as far as I can tell. Does that mean it's crap?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BorisM Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Well, zooming in and out is described in the manual and not exactly hard to achieve... iGO is, actually, a major supplier of Nav software (quite big in Europe), but because they do not market their own hardware, they are not as well known. Nevertheless, Mio used to use them before they got Navman software, HP uses them for IPAQ 31x series, and it is marketed in the US as OnCourse... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kd6icz Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Well, zooming in and out is described in the manual and not exactly hard to achieve... I will put the CD ROM in with the manual and take a look... It should not take that to use a touch screen device. As far as the Kenwood, it is the last of the awsome Nav systems. The Z3 would be the closest thing available today with a 20GB database. The Kenwood is very easy to use and everything was in the place you would expect it to be. It took me all of about 30 minutes to find my way around. Of course the downside to the Kenwood is that the last available DVD's were made 10/2004. So it is out of date. You can't do the same thing with 2GB that you can with 20GB. It would be nice if we could run a larger database though the SD card. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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