ddonnik17 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 So I have had the F90BT for 3 weeks now, but had the D1 before. and overall, im thinking about returning the F90BT and getting the D3, although I never had the D3. I would like opinions and votes which one to get? Keep the F90BT (and hope for a "POSSIBLE" future update that hopefully will fix the major problems) or Get the Avic-D3! Please help in the decision making (and possibly state why)! Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LoadThis Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 ya know....the 90bt isnt all that bad...ive got the 900, same thing prety much. make sure you have the update...if you dont have the update there is your problem, if you are updated, im not sure why you would want to get rid of it. What ever hype was all about the Loading times, it doesnt phase me at all, and im getting remote start hooked up soon so it will really be a thing of the past. Plus the new F series looks amazing, software and hardware. And its HD basied, no more disk. Plus, im sure your getting better pre outs with the 90, i dont know the specs on the D3 though. thats all i got at the moment. I know there is more, but i honestly havnt used the D3 and ive been up all night Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1loudls Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 map disc? you cant play video's off an Ipod while its in your glovebox, VR and blurtooth built in... its not even a question for me F-series FTW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ddonnik17 Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 map disc? you cant play video's off an Ipod while its in your glovebox, VR and blurtooth built in... its not even a question for meF-series FTW yeah, but the ipod won't play my videos right now either. i have the 60GB Video ipod, and everytime i go to videos, it will show the title of the video, but only a black screen. plus the bluetooth is so bad, it gets caught up and freezes my unit every once in a while. and the gps trackin is always late. everytime i make a turn, it takes 1-2 seconds for the unit to follow. any ideas tho why my ipod doesn't play the videos but only shows a black screen, YET shows the title of the video on the bottom?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1loudls Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 my Ipod works great, never have a bluetooth problem (except for not tranfering contacts, but thats been fixed). it always tell me to turn at the right time. check the settings on the ipod itself, i think it might be the video out setting have you udated the bluetooth software? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ddonnik17 Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 my Ipod works great, never have a bluetooth problem (except for not tranfering contacts, but thats been fixed). it always tell me to turn at the right time. check the settings on the ipod itself, i think it might be the video out setting have you udated the bluetooth software? hm...regarding the video out...i will check on this, but i have no idea how. im assuming its in the ipod option somewhere, right? regarding the gps, well it tells me when to turn in time, however, when i just cruise around w/o guidance, EVERY turn i make appears 1-3 seconds later on the map. it actually thinks i go straight, but then 3 seconds later corrects itself to the right road. can that be fixed?? regarding the bluetooth update...well, i just purchased the f90bt 3 weeks ago, and it came w/ update 2.0 so i assumed that it had the newest bluetooth update on it. am i wrong with that?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LoadThis Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 I imagine it should have come with the upgrade, but just know that I also thought mine had the update, and it didnt, once i updated it I had some BT problems and it kinda just fixed itself. Acouple things to check out for the Ipod 1) AV1 is set to "Ipod" ....and well...thats all i got, I plug my Iphone in and it plays the movies that are on there, I plan on buying a 120gb Ipod Clasic to throw all the music videos and movies on when i get around to it, but again, I dont have that one so i dont know whats behind it....there is a TV Out selection, not sure how to get to it off the top of my head, but should be easy to find knowing its there, Just check out all the options settings and stuff. Do you get all the music play back and stuff too? That should be your problem though, the TV out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ddonnik17 Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 well i just double checked my version of bluetooth on the unit with pioneer's website, and i DO have the newest version. what bothers me is that sometimes when ppl hang up, it takes up to 2-3 minutes sometimes for the music to kick back in. that can't be normal. regarding the ipod, yeah i have the AV1 set to ipod, and the music and art album plays perfect. i have the 5th generation ipod video, and according to specs, it should play videos. everytime i go to videos, it only shows the title of the video on the bottom of the screen, BUT no video. and even if i press the actual ipod pause/play button, that symbol appears in the black screen as well. im gonna have to find that "tv out" option. thanks for you help so far Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pdyebrasil Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 One question... do your iPOD movies actually play on your ipod by itself? I know that when I first tried uploading movies to my ipod I thought they were in the right format, but wouldn't play. Once I re-encoded the videos in ipod format it worked perfectly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wonderdiva Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 The best thing the F series has going for it is the VR and hackability (which I don't think is a word LOL). Other than that, I think it is a failure on Pioneer's part. The concept is great and if everything was faster, less buggy, and the BT was better then it would be a winner. I think the new Kenwood coming out this summer is going to take everything the F series should have been and it is going to deliver as they are going to learn from Pioneer's mistakes and cash in on it. Just my .02 For the record, I owned the D3 before selling it and going with the F90BT. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ddonnik17 Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 The best thing the F series has going for it is the VR and hackability (which I don't think is a word LOL). Other than that, I think it is a failure on Pioneer's part. The concept is great and if everything was faster, less buggy, and the BT was better then it would be a winner. I think the new Kenwood coming out this summer is going to take everything the F series should have been and it is going to deliver as they are going to learn from Pioneer's mistakes and cash in on it. Just my .02 For the record, I owned the D3 before selling it and going with the F90BT. so your honest truth, do you regret moving to the f90bt from the d3? or would you much rather still have the d3 if you had an option? i think im gonna return my f90bt, and put my avic-d1 back in until the summer. cuz i hear from rumors thats when pioneer is going to release a new update and a possible new model of the f-series. so bascially, im gonna drive around with my d1 for now, not sure if im gonna get the d3 meanwhile, and then in the summer, get the new version of the f-series, or the kenwood one. lets see whats better. but overall, im very disappointed with the f90bt. even the gps is like 100-200 feet off. whenever i pass an intersection, i would pass it, and the gps would still be behind. but regarding the ipod, yeah the videos work on the ipod itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VBLUE42 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 As far as a new F series, there will be no hardware improvements, just a software update and possibly new maps and a change of the model number. You will be able to get the same update and upgrade with your current unit so it doesn't make sense to get rid of it only to buy it again at full pop price in a couple of months. The D3, in my opinion, is a good unit but doesn't compare to the F series, even with all of its quirks. Make sure TV OUT on the ipod is turned on and make sure the yellow RCA cable is plugged in on the video input and video should be viewable from the unit. I say keep what you have at least until the update is released and then make your decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thomashohl Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Well I actually do have both the F90 and the D3 (in two cars obviously) The rundown is this: If you want your Ipod to play videos, F Series. The D3 doesn't play video off an ipod but the F does and mine works perfectly with a 4 year old ipod 20gb whatever that is. The D3 does not have ANY glitchs. I have XM and Bluetooth and both work perfectly with many phones and ipods. The F does. My F is very glitchy when it comes to bluetooth with a Blackberry Curve but I have heard that the iphone as well as meany other phones work perfectly. I think its the Blackberry causing this one. The F is cheaper and definitly looks WAY better both exterior and graphics. I love the graphics on the F. They are very DOS looking on the D3 The D3 has a very easy to use GUI on the NAV side. But that too is a tough call. The graphics on the F are far superior to the D3 but the D3 seems a little more responsive to zooming and just plain quickness. This one is a close 50/50 to me. Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ddonnik17 Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 hey thomaskohl, THANK YOU SOOOOO much for your input. i really appreciate the very detailed comparison between the f90bt and the d3 you made. thats exactly what i needed. however, my f90bt also started to randomly reboot itself as im driving, (for no reason), and the number 1 problem that bothers me is the inaccuracy of the map. im actually about 100-200 feet ahead of the unit and i can tell on that based on driving by intersecting roads or under/over bridges. i would pass them, and 2 seconds later, the unit would follow. also, the turning bothers me, same thing, 1-2 seconds delay. regarding what i should do. well i just bought the f90bt for about $600 off ebay brand new w/ 2.0 update, and the seller said i could return it for a full refund, so basically, i would make my money back, stay with the D1 that i originally had, and wait til the summer. if the update fixes everything, im assuming the f90bt will be cheaper in 5 months than now, and if the update doesn't fix what i need to be fixed, then im going with the D3 or the new kenwood coming out. because i can always buy the f90bt again, i just can't keep it now, and if i don't like it, sell it for less cuz its used... what do you think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pdyebrasil Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Sorry, I really haven't had much time to use the F90's nav system, but I know that on my Magellan GPS that I used to have in my car that it wasn't dead on either. It would register a turn about a second after I had actually made it. Not sure if that is just typical of most nav systems? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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