IvanRaide Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 6/28/2020 at 6:40 AM, mapotter99 said: I’ll just go ahead and throw out that I’ve had zero problems with wireless CarPlay dropping out or range issues. Do you happen to have "Hey Siri" turned on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dizle Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 6 hours ago, IvanRaide said: Do you happen to have "Hey Siri" turned on? Hey it’s Ivan from Reddit! I’m out of town and can’t test it but I will when I get back on Friday. Although I do use hey Siri quite often with my AirPods, would suck to turn that off. Your wireless CarPlay has been better still? I was in a Cayenne today that had CarPlay built in and thought of you lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dizle Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 One more thing, I found some where on the inter webs that someone had success with wireless CarPlay interference by turning this off. I did it and it’s seemed to help but could be placebo. The only thing that I can tell it turns off is direction airdrop, can no longer point your phone at another to send an airdrop. Didn’t work well for me anyways so I’m not missing much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IvanRaide Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Hey Markdizle. Yup, its day 3 and no drops. Although I dont want to keep it this way, I figure (if its truly proven) we could maybe email Pioneer to fix it? I checked, I have networking & wireless on ... but might try it (and dropping LTE) if this doesn't work, but so far 3 days is pretty good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dizle Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, IvanRaide said: Hey Markdizle. Yup, its day 3 and no drops. Although I dont want to keep it this way, I figure (if its truly proven) we could maybe email Pioneer to fix it? I checked, I have networking & wireless on ... but might try it (and dropping LTE) if this doesn't work, but so far 3 days is pretty good. I called Pioneer about the crappy Siri quality and they immediately blamed my phone, I didn’t push it hard and just hung up. Got some low level tech on the phone just reading from a script. I’ll give them a call this weekend and push the issue further as it’s not getting any better! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mapotter99 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 22 hours ago, IvanRaide said: Do you happen to have "Hey Siri" turned on? I do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mapotter99 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 @IvanRaide I saw in your video on your thread about the volume knob mod that you are using the iOS 14 beta. How is your Siri and phone call sound quality with the beta? I’m still pinning this problem on Pioneer, as other cars don’t have this problem. I just hope it is fixable with software, and not due to them cheaping out on Bluetooth hardware. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IvanRaide Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 37 minutes ago, mapotter99 said: @IvanRaide I saw in your video on your thread about the volume knob mod that you are using the iOS 14 beta. How is your Siri and phone call sound quality with the beta? I’m still pinning this problem on Pioneer, as other cars don’t have this problem. I just hope it is fixable with software, and not due to them cheaping out on Bluetooth hardware. No, iOS14 didn't help that, Siri still sounds wrong, (like bluetooth mono). I suspect it's not going to get fixed, they probably implemented phone and "voice dial" via HSP and HFP and not AVRCP/A2DP and I highly doubt they are going to go back and redo it, (I'm sure they are already onto new hardware and cant wait for you to buy that NEW hardware instead of this months old junk). But, lets hope .... I see you have "hey siri" on. You have mentioned distance as well. I have my phone always in my right pocket so about 2 feet diagonal to the center of the head unit, today is the 4th day of no drops for myself though. One thing if you could try ..... say "HHHHHEEEEEEYYYYYYYY" (pretty loudly) and tell me if you get a few audio drops after that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mapotter99 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 I just spoke with Pioneer, and after checking, the support person I talked to said the metallic distant Siri is a KNOWN issue, and promised to forward my information to engineering! So... call in AGAIN and really press the issue. Offer to help engineering fix this problem! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mapotter99 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 32 minutes ago, IvanRaide said: No, iOS14 didn't help that, Siri still sounds wrong, (like bluetooth mono). I suspect it's not going to get fixed, they probably implemented phone and "voice dial" via HSP and HFP and not AVRCP/A2DP and I highly doubt they are going to go back and redo it, (I'm sure they are already onto new hardware and cant wait for you to buy that NEW hardware instead of this months old junk). But, lets hope .... I see you have "hey siri" on. You have mentioned distance as well. I have my phone always in my right pocket so about 2 feet diagonal to the center of the head unit, today is the 4th day of no drops for myself though. One thing if you could try ..... say "HHHHHEEEEEEYYYYYYYY" (pretty loudly) and tell me if you get a few audio drops after that? I suspect you are right. That is typically Pioneer’s approach to these things after a few months on the market. Im hoping if enough of us complain this early on, they will have to fix the problem... IF it can be fixed with a software/firmware update. I just tried Hey Siri while connected wirelessly. I had no drops. Everything worked properly. Is anyone having the dropping problem on a WT7600NEX? I’ve only heard of it on the 8600, so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dizle Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 3 hours ago, mapotter99 said: I suspect you are right. That is typically Pioneer’s approach to these things after a few months on the market. Im hoping if enough of us complain this early on, they will have to fix the problem... IF it can be fixed with a software/firmware update. I just tried Hey Siri while connected wirelessly. I had no drops. Everything worked properly. Is anyone having the dropping problem on a WT7600NEX? I’ve only heard of it on the 8600, so far. Yes mine drops on the WT7600NEX, although for no apparent reason it has gotten a little better. If I even wave my hand over my phone it drops, or heaven forbid I pickup my phone it drops too. I’ll call them when I get home tonight and press the issue! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IvanRaide Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 So today is my 5th day with the HeySiri off (and today I drove to get lunch so technically I have driven 45-1hour 12 times) and on the 12th time (the drive home) it had 3 audio drops. Now after crying uncontrollably, I started to think “what changed”. I just installed AdGuard Pro (which is a VPN adblocker) so it might be that, (and hence more evidence to “extreme wifi latency intolerance”). This is more just FYI while we wait for a miracle.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thorissr Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Yesterday I experienced constant severe audio cut outs even when my iPhone 8 Plus was in what I call the safe zone, 6 inches from where the 8600 is installed. Sometimes Apple Maps completely locked up on the screen coinciding with these audio cut outs. I’m hoping this is an issue that can be fixed via a firmware update, and isn’t a hardware shortcoming. I’ve owned wireless Kenwood CarPlay units prior to the 8600 using the same iPhone and never had this issue before. To me this rules out it being a iPhone/IOS/iPhone setting issue, but rather this issue points to it being directly related to the Pioneer head unit itself. Question....Has anyone tested the audio cut out issue when running Android Auto wirelessly? I have a Samsung S9+ that I’m going to test with wireless Android Auto to see if it exhibits the audio cut out issue as we are experiencing with wireless CarPlay. This will help further narrow down whether this is a phenomenon in just the way Pioneer implemented their wireless protocol with wireless CarPlay, or if it’s more or less a hardware shortfall with the WiFi chip Pioneer chose to use in our units. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dizle Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Turned off hey Siri, no difference but worth a try Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thorissr Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Okay reporting back after testing my 8600 with wireless AA during a 30 minute drive. Well I’m happy to report that Android Auto runs flawless with a wireless connection. Not one single audio cut out when playing music and navigating via google maps/Waze. The wireless connection is solid and consistent with my Samsung Galaxy Flip being in my pocket during the entire drive. With my iPhone I couldn’t run CarPlay with it placed in my pocket without experiencing constant dropouts and the 8600 occasionally freezing during these dropouts. Not as severe, but this even happened when my iPhone was placed right near the head unit. Since I’m not tied to a specific ecosystem and for the sake of enjoying my 8600 without issue for the time being, I think I’m going to roll with wireless Android Auto for a minute. Here’s hoping that Pioneer tighten up their WiFi protocol coding when using wireless CarPlay really soon. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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