i am in the market for a new nav system for my 05 stang. I have always been die hard pioneer but i keep hearing about the lousy routing.

so what are the pros ad cons of each. If i do get a pioneer it will most likely be the z2, just to save money. I really like the way the 8120 will be able to change the colors but i don't think it is out yet. (cant find it on ebay anyway)

the biggest seller for me right know is the ability to rip music to the z2 HDD.

does anyone know if the 8120 has built in bluetooth?

thanks all

The 7120 and 8120 were recalled. Never even got to power it up before we had to send them back so its hard to say

the #1 reason i didnt buy kenwood is because of past experience with crappy build quality. Their motors (for the face and such) are terrible.

Second reason is because although the garmin nav may route better, i think it looks like its a kids toy with the colors and the square buttons and such

BUT..to each his own!

Abe