I am trying to figure out which I want. What would be the main advantage between the two. Its just alot easier to find the 900 than the 90bt premier.

90 has 4-volt preouts, 3D icons, 2 year warranty, and comes with the ipod cable

900 has 2-volt preouts, 1 year warranty, and you have to buy the ipod cable for $50

Hi,

Could anyone tell me why I would want 2 volt vs. 4 volt for the out (F900 vs F90), I can live without the iPod but what does the voltage get me?

sorry if it is a newbie question,

Jan

It only makes a difference if you are using aftermarket amplifiers

Can I use the 2 volt as a remote turn on for an amp?

No, there is a dedicated remote turn on lead on both units, what we're talking about is the voltage of the line-level RCA outputs. The higher the voltage the cleaner and the more resistance to interference for the signal that you are passing to the amplifiers.

I wouldn't worry about the difference if you don't know what it is.

with 4 volt preouts you are less likely to get noise.

its not a for sure thing but it helps.

Ive used 2 volt preouts and did not get any noise in my speakers.

Set your gains right and you wont notice a differance.

If you can save some money go for it

Will the F90Bt have a European version too? I'm living in the EU, so it is important for me... How can I differentiate the EU products from the US ones?

If you call Pioneer they can give you the "sku" for the Euro version. If you buy them in a store then you can bet that you'll get the Euro version as well. It wouldn't be smart for a shop in England to sell you the American map version, haha.

does the F900BT already come with the HD tuner built in or would you still need to get the HD tuner seperate?

i found a list of all the features all three units will have on the pioneer website. see if that helps anyone out.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/ ... C-F+Series

You still need the HD tuner. Its the GEXP10HD. Think its come down to around $100 now

does the F900BT already come with the HD tuner built in or would you still need to get the HD tuner seperate?

pioneer is saying that you can do video and audio from USB, why not just forget about a IPOD and get a usb-powered hard drive, which is ALOT cheaper than an ipod and can hold alot more. you can get a 320 GB hard drive that is usb-powered at best buy right now for 180 bucks. i say forget the ipod if this is true.

You still need the HD tuner. Its the GEXP10HD. Think its come down to around $100 now

 

does the F900BT already come with the HD tuner built in or would you still need to get the HD tuner seperate?

Hmmm, are you sure? All the literature I've seen says the F series supports HD Radio internally. And the GEXP10HD doesn't list it's compatible with the F series.

Positive. Pioneer doesn't make anything with HD radio built-in, and if you look at the pics of the F-series, they say 'HD-Ready.' You still have to buy the tuner

 

Hmmm, are you sure? All the literature I've seen says the F series supports HD Radio internally. And the GEXP10HD doesn't list it's compatible with the F series.

These are the true differences in the 900 and 90; according to the the file maybe "3d icons" are obtainable on both models!

Avic-F900BT and Avic-F90BT differences.pdf

Interesting that they have the F900 as 1.2v preouts not 2v. How significant of a difference is this? FWIW, I'll be running it to a PDX-5 over about 8' of cable (canare LV77S)

What about back up cameras. What models are available out there that I could use that would be compatible for the 900bt or the 90bt model?

Will the F90Bt have a European version too? I'm living in the EU, so it is important for me... How can I differentiate the EU products from the US ones?

 

Pioneers European site: http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/body.html

Any camera will work, the input is just a plain RCA connecter. If you want a Pioneer camera, then the NDBC2 or NDBC20PA

What about back up cameras. What models are available out there that I could use that would be compatible for the 900bt or the 90bt model?

The 4 volt pre-outs is the one deciding factor for me choosing the 90 over the 900.

I used to have a Premier head unit in my car that had high-volt pre-outs, and my system was very loud, and clear as a bell. But after switching up to the D3 and the 2.2volt preouts, I can turn the D3's volume all the way up, with the SLA turned up all the way, and my 4 channel amp's gain on max, and it's noticeably quieter than the old setup was... MUCH quieter than it should be at maximum volume. With the 90's 4 volt preouts, it looks like things will finally be back to normal!

The 4 volt pre-outs is the one deciding factor for me choosing the 90 over the 900.

 

I used to have a Premier head unit in my car that had high-volt pre-outs, and my system was very loud, and clear as a bell. But after switching up to the D3 and the 2.2volt preouts, I can turn the D3's volume all the way up, with the SLA turned up all the way, and my 4 channel amp's gain on max, and it's noticeably quieter than the old setup was... MUCH quieter than it should be at maximum volume. With the 90's 4 volt preouts, it looks like things will finally be back to normal!

I just installed my 90BT today and am so happy they finally added 4 volt output to an navigation unit. I took out a Z1 and my system has come alive like it should. It was always so frustrating to me since i have 2 cars with pretty much the same amp/speaker combination but my 4volt alpine unit sounds so much better. that is, until today. so like you, it was the deciding factor i needed the premier unit.

can anyone link me to where I can buy a premier to import into the UK?