Hello All,

New to the forum and wanted to say hi.

I just picked up an Avic-F90BT today. Haven't installed it yet but wanted to find out what people are paying for theirs.

I picked mine up for $860.00 out the door....

Best,

James

Where did you get your unit at?

Advanced Car Creations in Garden Grove CA.

They are an authorized Pioneer Dealer

Advanced Car Creations in Garden Grove CA.

 

They are an authorized Pioneer Dealer

Are they an authorized PIONEER PREMIER DEALER?

I didn't ask about that. I just made sure they are authorized Pioneer Dealer. Does it make a difference? I will surely ask though. What the difference?

I've been buying products from this guy for over 5 years without an issue. His return policy is great (for me) and I haven't had a problem yet. I even informed him about all the issues I've read about the F series on this forum and he said if i don't like it will just swap it out with something else I want.

Well i dont believe that Pioneer will support the warranty on your F90BT if he is not a authorized Pioneer Premier Dealer. The F90BT is pioneer's premier version and is the only f-series units that comes with a 2 year warranty. Along with the addtional features, the 2-year warranty is the most important.

I could be wrong but i was informed by a local car audio dealership here that they could not sell the F90BT and still have the 2-year warranty valid since they were only a authorized pioneer dealer(Not premier). They said i could get 900BT with no warranty problems.

I guess whatever dealership applied to be a Pioneer Premier dealer has to ask at least a certain price(to cover the extended warranty) in order to be approved as a Pioneer Premier Dealer.

Thanks for the heads up. I will surely look into that.

The guys I bought it from said they are only charging me 10% above their cost for the unit thats why I got the deal at $860. I figured I wouldn't be able to get that deal anywhere else.

Yeah you don't have a warranty at that price.

Lets say I'm an authorized dealer and get a F90BT for myself would I not have the warranty?

As long as the dealer I bought its from is Authorized Premier deal it shouldn't matter what I paid for it right?

If that store you bought it from isn't a PREMIER dealer, you DONT have warranty. it doesnt matter who they bought from. Otherwise everone would have warranty no matter who they get it from.

If your unit breaks, you need the recepit...when they see an Un-authorized PREMEIR dealer they will tell you tuff luck No Warranty suppot.

Especially with the update "coming" you will want to have Warranty.

Authorized premier dealers and authorized pioneer distributor dealers are contracted by pioneer to sell at a minimum advertised price. If a authorized dealer is caught selling under the minimum advertised price they risk being terminated as a pioneer dealer. $860 is way under the minimum advertised price for a F90BT.

Thanks all.

I will look into this before I open the box. The last pioneer item I had bought from these guys was my Avic-N2 back in 2004 I believe. Never had any warranty issues with that and the unit went in for service twice.

I've never owned a Premier unit so I shall do some more research before I move forward with my install.

I didn't know Authorized Dealers can get in trouble for selling items at cost...

Sad that we have to think about a 2 year warranty. I would expect that a $1000 unit won't have any problems within 2 years. But if you see what Pioneer charges for the warranty it seems they are not so sure about their quality...

Authorized premier dealers and authorized pioneer distributor dealers are contracted by pioneer to sell at a minimum advertised price. If a authorized dealer is caught selling under the minimum advertised price they risk being terminated as a pioneer dealer. $860 is way under the minimum advertised price for a F90BT.

Actually, what your describing is called price fixing, and that's illegal. Pioneer has no legal right to dictate what a dealer sells their product for. But they can enforce a minimum advertised price policy. If a dealer is caught promoting a price below MAP, then Pioneer can terminate their agreement. That's why you'll often see Fry's and the like advertising a "major name brand" HD TV at a certain price. They would be breaking MAP if they listed the manufacturer.

Authorized premier dealers and authorized pioneer distributor dealers are contracted by pioneer to sell at a minimum advertised price. If a authorized dealer is caught selling under the minimum advertised price they risk being terminated as a pioneer dealer. $860 is way under the minimum advertised price for a F90BT.

 

Actually, what your describing is called price fixing, and that's illegal. Pioneer has no legal right to dictate what a dealer sells their product for. But they can enforce a minimum advertised price policy. If a dealer is caught promoting a price below MAP, then Pioneer can terminate their agreement. That's why you'll often see Fry's and the like advertising a "major name brand" HD TV at a certain price. They would be breaking MAP if they listed the manufacturer.

skicrave is right. He can sell you that unit for $250 and as long as he is a premier dealer he is ok with the 2 year warranty. The map pricing is only for advertised price, you can sell it for whatever you want. I got my unit for $804 out the door, which is 5% below dealer list. I got mine from a level 3 premier dealer who gets 10% below list due to the volume of sales he makes. he hooked me up cause i wanted the 4volt preouts and i could not get it direct from pioneer since I run a shop that is not a premier dealer. We help each other out when needed.

i got mine from the same spot Rodawg got his...i paid a little more than he did...but still well below what a lot of other people are paying for it...

did you bypass your unit Rodawg?

It is interesting to see a few of you getting concerned about the warranty issues. And for good reason, expiacially when new units have bugs in them. Anytime you purchase any electronics, cameras, speakers, car audo,, etc... always make sure you purchase from a retailer that is an authorized reseller. Checking the manufactors web sites will show you who those resellers are. I can tell you from experience (many bad and worse from New Egg) that retailers will lie their guts to you convincing you they are authorized and your product has a warranty. NOT... They lied to you, got their money and that's that.. you have no warranty from there on.

I am curretnly doing research and pulling quite a bit of info togeher and may end up filing a class action againts New Egg. I cant spell out details as of yet, but may be posting soon asking if other site members are interested. Currently working with the FTC and working on a ton of paper work for them. If things look like a go, i let you board members know.

Authorized premier dealers and authorized pioneer distributor dealers are contracted by pioneer to sell at a minimum advertised price. If a authorized dealer is caught selling under the minimum advertised price they risk being terminated as a pioneer dealer. $860 is way under the minimum advertised price for a F90BT.

 

But they can enforce a minimum advertised price policy. If a dealer is caught promoting a price below MAP, then Pioneer can terminate their agreement.

My bad sorry to confuse that is what I should have said instead of "if a dealer is caught SELLING under MAP they risk contract termination"