So I am the owner of an F900bt and i have been reading through these forums over the last week. I think its pretty clear that pioneer has produced a less than satisfactory product in terms of all the bugs, glitches, boot times, etc. If this boot time issue is infact a hardware problem, and cannot be fixed through a firmware update then pioneer needs to do a recall in order to fix the problem. Im sure a faster processor would fix the boot time issues, and possibly even some of the bugs. I am a canadian owner, and here are just some of the problems i have noticed.

1. Long start up time (obvious)

2. Ipod connection failed error

3. POI's useless. It is impossible to search by city, and even when doing a search near gps position/cursur it will always give you a full list of POI's within the province/state. Ex: i live in ontario, I tried to find canada's wonderland from a parking lot across the road and i could not bring it up. Although I had no problem finding POI's 2 hours away in niagara falls.

4. I have had my deck automatically reset. This results in another 2 minute boot time. This is unacceptable.

5. 2d view is unusable, always north

6. "Conversational" voice commands are not so conversational

7. I cannot voice dial a number, it has to be a contact.

8. Volume sometimes freezes and is unusable

9. voices will often times come out choppy/stuttery when in ipod menu while a nav command is said. This is another issue im sure could be fixed if the avic had the propper processor.

10. even after the boot time, many buttons and features are unusable for 30sec to one minute.

Im sure this list could be bigger, but at the moment this is all i can come up with. most of these issues, i am sure are processor related.

I will give pioneer 30 days to fix these issues (the extent of my return policy) and if it doesnt happen, I will be exchanging it for a jvc NX7000.

In the meantime we have to put the pressure on pioneer to fix these issues. Talk to your dealers about this, talk to pioneer about this, keep the discussion alive on the forums. Its the only way to force a solution.

I am an associate at a future shop store in ontario. I will be talking with my rep as well as other associates throughout the company, and our buyer to hopefully get the message across to pioneer. Im sure that FutureShop/BestBuy is pioneer's biggest merchant. Im sure they would listen if we had something to say.

yeah i had my 90bt randomly reset today after it finished booting up. it reset right after i pushed the menu button. i guess it didnt like that. seems like instead of freezing like a pc would, it just has the command to reset.

I doubt they will do a total recall.That's why they did update 1 and soon update 2.

I doubt they will do a total recall.

Pioneer might not... But Arnold would.

LOL !! HiFiSi I don't know what to say about you. Your brain is going a million miles a sec. to come up with idea's like this from 2 words !!

P.S. That would be Total Recall 2 !!!!!

Actually, this would be Total Recall 2... and if you're thinking about watching it, save yourself the trouble and just repeatedly punch yourself in the face for 45 minutes instead.

WOW ! I was just kidding,didn't know there was really a 2nd one.I know what you said but I've got to see it.I'm a big Sci-Fi fan.

I see it was made in 1999. I guess I slept that year.

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If everyone would contact their Attorney General they would have to do a recall but it takes everyone to make it happen. Pioneer has lost a my respect.

Sorry I Hi-Jacked your thread but I agree with you.Pioneer knew before they shipped the units that they were defected.I don't own a Pioneer nav unit but I wish you luck because you will have an uphill battle.

Sorry I Hi-Jacked your thread

Don't take credit for my work!!!!

Sorry I Hi-Jacked your thread

Don't take credit for my work!!!!

Let me have credit for something you know I can't answer the other questions!!

So I am the owner of an F900bt and i have been reading through these forums over the last week. I think its pretty clear that pioneer has produced a less than satisfactory product in terms of all the bugs, glitches, boot times, etc. If this boot time issue is infact a hardware problem, and cannot be fixed through a firmware update then pioneer needs to do a recall in order to fix the problem. Im sure a faster processor would fix the boot time issues, and possibly even some of the bugs. I am a canadian owner, and here are just some of the problems i have noticed.

 

1. Long start up time (obvious)

 

2. Ipod connection failed error

 

3. POI's useless. It is impossible to search by city, and even when doing a search near gps position/cursur it will always give you a full list of POI's within the province/state. Ex: i live in ontario, I tried to find canada's wonderland from a parking lot across the road and i could not bring it up. Although I had no problem finding POI's 2 hours away in niagara falls.

 

4. I have had my deck automatically reset. This results in another 2 minute boot time. This is unacceptable.

 

5. 2d view is unusable, always north

 

6. "Conversational" voice commands are not so conversational

 

7. I cannot voice dial a number, it has to be a contact.

 

8. Volume sometimes freezes and is unusable

 

9. voices will often times come out choppy/stuttery when in ipod menu while a nav command is said. This is another issue im sure could be fixed if the avic had the propper processor.

 

10. even after the boot time, many buttons and features are unusable for 30sec to one minute.

 

Im sure this list could be bigger, but at the moment this is all i can come up with. most of these issues, i am sure are processor related.

I will give pioneer 30 days to fix these issues (the extent of my return policy) and if it doesnt happen, I will be exchanging it for a jvc NX7000.

 

In the meantime we have to put the pressure on pioneer to fix these issues. Talk to your dealers about this, talk to pioneer about this, keep the discussion alive on the forums. Its the only way to force a solution.

 

I am an associate at a future shop store in ontario. I will be talking with my rep as well as other associates throughout the company, and our buyer to hopefully get the message across to pioneer. Im sure that FutureShop/BestBuy is pioneer's biggest merchant. Im sure they would listen if we had something to say.

Hey man i would like to help you if i can i am located in toronto ontario myself and the first 5 problems you listed i am having problems with myself. It is very annoying the main reason i went with pioneer is becase I have had 2 previous avic units and they have been amazing. The F really needs some major debugging

I'd like to help both of you but all I can think about is...

( o )( o )( o )

Thanks HiFiSi.

I'd like to help both of you but all I can think about is...

 

( o )( o )( o )

 

Thanks HiFiSi.

hahaha thats great

I am confused, so you have an updated unit or performed the update yourself? So these are existing issues even after the update?

I owned one before when it first came out in June, and the things that bothered me most of all was the gps voice crackling and the weird issues with the comma, very bad lagging in screens and the out of memory error with poi searches.

Yes, the boot up time is ludicris and needs to be updated, by putting the unit in some sort of standby or hibernation mode when it detects the key has been turned off. why can't they do this like the magellan gps's do? The battery lasts at least a week and then goes into a full power off mode, at which point it does take awhile say 45 seconds to get up and running, but these issues seem to be unique to windows ce, if that is any indication.

All I can say is lets just hope they continue to put pressure on these program vendors they bought the rights to that they get it up and running properly or i have a feeling Pioneer's reputation is going out the window.

Pioneer does not need to recall the F-series, they just need to work out all the software glitches, which happens because its a first-generation CE product that ties together Parrot Bluetooth, i-Go navigation on top of the media players.

Microsoft did not have to recall the buggy POS called Windows ME, so Pioneer will most likely not be recalling the F-series.

Just be happy that Pioneer actually updated the unit within 2 months after release instead of dragging it on longer.

Pioneer does not need to recall the F-series, they just need to work out all the software glitches, which happens because its a first-generation CE product that ties together Parrot Bluetooth, i-Go navigation on top of the media players.

 

Microsoft did not have to recall the buggy POS called Windows ME, so Pioneer will most likely not be recalling the F-series.

 

Just be happy that Pioneer actually updated the unit within 2 months after release instead of dragging it on longer.

Well, I believe that the main thing to worry about is still, if Pioneer is actually going to update the unit more than this one time..

the unit does have great potential, but until some of the errors have been fixed, we're stuck at a unit that boots very slowly (remember that CE is capable of booting in just 1 second) so the issue lies at Pioneer. (obviously they do have alot of stuff in the Initialization sequence, but maybe it will be possible to optimize that )

and a unit that makes alot of glitches with iPod, Nav, Phone, LAG..

with all of these bugs fixed, the unit would be really great..

so PLEASE Pioneer

and while your at it..

Please enable Voice commands to the European model..

We're missing it..