I want the f90bt, is there any reason I would want the Z3 instead?

Only if you want the features the Z3 has....goto www.pioneerelectronics.com and use the compare option to see the differences between the 2.

Doing that right now... thanks.

I heard that internal Flash navigation works better than the Z3's 30gb HDD navigation? Flash responds faster, is that true?

The biggest deal-breaker for me is the bluetooth handsfree isn't included with the Z3, and it's so much more expensive.

But you can't store music on the f90's hard drive.

But overall, I'm kind of stumped what makes the Z3 so much more expensive.

The Z series is like a one stop multimedia navigation unit. It has a lot of features that the F series doesn't have, hence the price difference. But the F series is fully modifiable as it runs on Windows CE. The problem with questions like these is the answer is up to what you want your unit to do, and other people can't answer that for you. You know what I mean?

Personally, I bought a Z1, and bought a Z3 drive, then sold that and bought the F700BT, and I'm much happier, but that's because I made no use of the Z series features, but I take full advantage of the F's

Yeah-- understood. I just didn't think that the extra features in the Z3 warrant that much of a difference. I would understand if it had everything the f90bt had and then some, but it's more like a different style unit that's more expensive.

Thanks for the help.

i was about to get an f series until i saw it at al & ed's... decided to go with z3 instead and couldn't be happier... with the microsoft live search cash back deal you could pick up a z3 for about $1050 right now...

i had a D3 ..

had a few bugs (screen would go black, gps seemed more lost then me and a few other things, pioneer deemed a faulty unit)

because of that i was given the option to swap out for a 90BT ...

i have a folder of pictures of the different problems. although the navi does have a lot of addresses in it, i truely missed the 2D rotating map, and muliti route choice that the D offered. the bugs in the F series were driving me mental ! Volume on the navi and bluetooth would randomly be quite or as loud as the system could put out (yes the cars beside me would hear LOUD and clear). the level was turned down in the soft settings, but did not effect the random screaming volume. really i can rant on for quite a while about the F

so.. pioneer and i agreed to go with the Z3 (i had to pony up more money)

WOW .. forgot how a stereo has sound when you turn your truck on. Got that muliti route back (BIG WOW).

the Z3 i personally feel is far better!

Only disappointment, and by far not a reason to miss either other deck, is that artwork does not show.

Despite the higher resolution on the F-series, screen size is a deal breaker for me and I love the huge 7 Inch LCD on the Z3.

I like all around features of the Z3 and the F-series is plagued with too many bugs right now.

What are the "POI Shortcut Keys"?

i truely missed the 2D rotating map, and muliti route choice that the D offered.

 

 

WOW .. forgot how a stereo has sound when you turn your truck on. Got that muliti route back (BIG WOW).

 

the Z3 i personally feel is far better!.

Here on the Z series, the top of the map is the direction you are facing and thus the 2D map rotates to whatever direction you are facing.

JamesAv07, are you saying that the F-Series does not have 2D maps that show in directional mode? (Meaning the top of the map is the direction you are headed) I mean i like the option on the Z3 where you can change your 2D maps from North up or Direction up.

Correct, on the F's only in 3d mode can you make the map constantly make the direction you are going appear @ the top of the screen

JamesAv07, are you saying that the F-Series does not have 2D maps that show in directional mode? (Meaning the top of the map is the direction you are headed) I mean i like the option on the Z3 where you can change your 2D maps from North up or Direction up.

Really, thats not good. I can't tell you how often I use the 2D map mode with Direction up because it provides a great overview of the map.

One thing I hope they add in the next Z4 update is Full screen 3D map mode.

It seems like a big deal but its not. Now when in 3D mode, now you can control the 'camera' angle of the view, up and down & left and right. If you just rotate the angle all the way up to an overhead view, it looks just like the 2D did on my D3 and your current direction is always at the top of the screen

It seems like a big deal but its not. Now when in 3D mode, now you can control the 'camera' angle of the view, up and down & left and right. If you just rotate the angle all the way up to an overhead view, it looks just like the 2D did on my D3 and your current direction is always at the top of the screen

That's the only way right now to get 2D north heading, but it readjusts itself if you press map or turn the car off.

Hmmmm. Mine doesn't re-adjust...its always like that

Well then you, my good sir, are one lucky fellow. When I first got the F I tried adjusting it that way and it worked great until I went back into map mode, and it went back to the original angle.

It seems like a big deal but its not. Now when in 3D mode, now you can control the 'camera' angle of the view, up and down & left and right. If you just rotate the angle all the way up to an overhead view, it looks just like the 2D did on my D3 and your current direction is always at the top of the screen

See, its those little user interface things that really make or break a deal. So in terms of the OP's question,

my vote goes for the Z3 due to screen size, faster boot up time, and well rounded features.

it is the details that makes the Z better

being able to have the map rotate

having that Muliti route to choose from (GREAT Feature, and was something that stood Pioneer out, not anymore).

mostly, a system that works!!