i am buying one the F series this week but wasn't sure exactly which i should buy. should i go with the f90bt or f900bt and are there any major differences besides the price? i noticed the 90bt has 3d maps but is there much of a difference between the two? please help with this decision.

none.

dont waste your money!!!!!!

buy something else

lol ouch!!!!!!!!!! ive been watching these units for a few months and really thought of buying one, what would you suggest that i buy since you say they are a waist? also thanks

KENWOOD..OR ALPINE..or OEM

i payed 750$$ for my f900..and i got problems ..and problems

the ipod drops...the msn direct sometimes works sometimes it doesnt.

the gps ...is aa ok...I SAY CALL HOME..IT SAY I PLAY ALL SONGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT...

mine is on the way back to the store.....2 of my fiends are sending theirs back too....

The AVICs have come a long way since they were released; theyre pretty decent units now with some bugs that need to be taken care of to give the unit the finesse it lacks.

MSN Traffic is pretty much worthless according to most every post on the board, so you should probably stick with an F900BT unless you really want that two year warranty.

cover your unit with square trade....worth every penny

I would love to know why someone who thinks the avic f series is a waste of money they would be reading/posting on this forum? That says either they have a passion for hating these units, or they really have a whole lot of time on their hands.

I would love to know why someone who thinks the avic f series is a waste of money they would be reading/posting on this forum? That says either they have a passion for hating these units, or they really have a whole lot of time on their hands.

Great point and I agree wholeheartedly.

KENWOOD..OR ALPINE..or OEM

i payed 750$$ for my f900..and i got problems ..and problems

the ipod drops...the msn direct sometimes works sometimes it doesnt.

the gps ...is aa ok...I SAY CALL HOME..IT SAY I PLAY ALL SONGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT...

mine is on the way back to the store.....2 of my fiends are sending theirs back too....

Lol, ok, so which one does he buy to gain these features?

They all have their weaknesses. The F series is definitely worth it considering it's price tag and features.

There are definitely some haters around here who jump on any chance they get to bash Pioneer. Just don't have your hopes set too high that you become one of them. There are lots of people here who own one and love it, they are just not as spiteful and vocal.

For me, I'll just stick with my D3 and see what comes around next year. The F series was a major redesign, and I never personally buy first generation stuff.

i have personally worked with all of them, Kenwoods are decent, but they have their quirks. My biggest gripe is they are difficult to use. Alpine "blackbird" sucks, don't waste your time there. OEM most often needs to be bought with the vehicle, there are no aftermarket parts for integration, plus they are ridiculously expensive.

I would love to know why someone who thinks the avic f series is a waste of money they would be reading/posting on this forum? That says either they have a passion for hating these units, or they really have a whole lot of time on their hands.

I want to know the answer too! The guy who hates it with a passion replied in 11min... lol

I have NO issues with mine at all! I love it! Differences between the f900, and f90 becides msn, is the Ipod cable comes with the f-90, and you get 4volt pre-outs. Will u be running external amplifiers? If so, I'd get the f-90!

I just installed the 2.0 update today and IMO the unit now works as it should. Fast, responsive, throw that on top of the units beautiful resolution, functional Navigation, built in bluetooth, changeable key colors, USB and SD compatible, MSN Direct, many more options that the Kenwood and Alpine lack, and you have an all around great unit with a low price tag. Also don't forget the infinite potential this unit has for Modifications. Show me a Kenwood or an Alpine that can do that

But to answer your question (since you didn't ask if the F series is worth buying or not, but rather which one is better), it depends on which fulfills your needs. I own the 700 because I have no need for a DVD Player or MSN Direct, and I love it. The 900 does have DVD player and MSN direct, plus a glossy finish, and the Premier 90BT is the 900 with an included iPod wire, 4volt preouts and a 2 year warranty. So only you can answer your own question.

I would love to know why someone who thinks the avic f series is a waste of money they would be reading/posting on this forum? That says either they have a passion for hating these units, or they really have a whole lot of time on their hands.

 

I want to know the answer too! The guy who hates it with a passion replied in 11min... lol

i replied in 11 min b.c i was online ..and thay why is a forum...to talk

now ..i am a woman and not a guy...and when i pay 1000$ for something ..i expect this piece of sh...to work..not to have to mod or to do anything to it..

i bought this for tHE msn and the bluetooth..and both dont work...so this unit is useless..AND COST 1000$$ TO ME

kenwood works!!!!!!! i intsalled it yesterday and it works!!!!!! WORKS!!!

I would love to know why someone who thinks the avic f series is a waste of money they would be reading/posting on this forum? That says either they have a passion for hating these units, or they really have a whole lot of time on their hands.

 

I want to know the answer too! The guy who hates it with a passion replied in 11min... lol

 

i replied in 11 min b.c i was online ..and thay why is a forum...to talk

now ..i am a woman and not a guy...and when i pay 1000$ for something ..i expect this piece of sh...to work..not to have to mod or to do anything to it..

i bought this for tHE msn and the bluetooth..and both dont work...so this unit is useless..AND COST 1000$$ TO ME

kenwood works!!!!!!! i intsalled it yesterday and it works!!!!!! WORKS!!!

While I appreciate you going on about why you don't like the Pioneer unit, you STILL haven't answered the questions asked previously:

Why, if you hate the unit soooooo much, would you still even be reading/posting on the site. Logic (well, maybe not logic, but the fact that a person might want to spend more time enjoying the unit they currently own instead of ranting about the one they say they can't stand) would dictate that you would have moved on with your life and would be more interested in reading/posting/researching/or just generally feeling all warm and fuzzy with those that share your good vibage with your current Kenwood unit.

If you just get into talking smack with a bunch of folks that LIKE their units, or just want to continue to stoke the fires and feel part of the those persecuted souls that also hate their units, cool - just say so.

But folks like you, that continue to just trash it, without acknowledging the fact that hundreds of other owners have not only NOT experienced the problems you yourself bemoan, but in fact, LOVE their units, and have a very active interest in discovering new ways to enjoy them, just look sad and foolish to continue to hang out at a website focused on a product of which you say you can't stand.

Or is it that you have a lot of time on your hands?

Cheers,

Kev

OK, then. Bye. We'll miss your insightful commentary (not).

I would love to know why someone who thinks the avic f series is a waste of money they would be reading/posting on this forum? That says either they have a passion for hating these units, or they really have a whole lot of time on their hands.

 

I want to know the answer too! The guy who hates it with a passion replied in 11min... lol

 

i replied in 11 min b.c i was online ..and thay why is a forum...to talk

now ..i am a woman and not a guy...and when i pay 1000$ for something ..i expect this piece of sh...to work..not to have to mod or to do anything to it..

i bought this for tHE msn and the bluetooth..and both dont work...so this unit is useless..AND COST 1000$$ TO ME

kenwood works!!!!!!! i intsalled it yesterday and it works!!!!!! WORKS!!!

haha, wow talk about a flame war.

What were the oddsa women would be on this site, with a f series complaining none the less? Odds are 1 million to 1 you were a dude, especially with the ranting spilling out.

As far as your experience, my unit is installed by me, absolutely everything works, and anything that didn't work for me after 2.0 update wound up being user error or a complete wipe of all settings fixed the issue.

After 2.0 issues with fixes

A. Blue tooth was very wonky with the iphone 3g, this was fixed by resetting up the connection from scratch, reloading phone book etc.

B. voice recognition with Ipod wasnt working right, this was fixed by allowing the VR catalog cycle to run and complete, worked great after that.

C. Ipod (iphone3g) control wasn't working right or charging, front/back with pac steerging wheel controls was barely working. The fix to all these problems was replacing the Pioneer ipod cable with a new one (apple branded, i wasn't going to give pioneer any more money) and EVERYTHING works great now.

So, with the 2.0 update, if your still having issues, (like this hater was) look at all those possibilities.

I was very unhappy myself and bashing the unit as much as possible, after 2.0, all issues I had were fixed, and anything else was fixed througha little bit of trial and error, and haha, guess what reading the manual even helped as well! What a concept!

Peace.

Beratta, before you bash the F series again, I encourage you to look into the former member Astrobill, and read the thread "Lucky or you're wrong about the bypass" (that member Dekstar claimed to be a chick too). There's simply no reason for bashing anymore. It was the fun thing to do when it first released, and to talk about how the kenwood's worked much better, but now the unit works. If you don't own an avic anymore, and you have nothing but bad things to say about it, why continue to post here?

hey thanks u guys, yea i finally decided to grab up the f90bt! it only costed 700 so i wasnt complaining about the price. and yea i have a pair of rockford fasgate p3 12" inch subs i plan on blasting in my dodge magnum hemi! sorry i love to brag, lol but i think i needed the extra input on what to buy. i love to mod things myself, example i have halo lights on my mag which i purchased from AAC. took two days but its well worth it. love this site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hey thanks u guys, yea i finally decided to grab up the f90bt! it only costed 700 so i wasnt complaining about the price. and yea i have a pair of rockford fasgate p3 12" inch subs i plan on blasting in my dodge magnum hemi! sorry i love to brag, lol but i think i needed the extra input on what to buy. i love to mod things myself, example i have halo lights on my mag which i purchased from AAC. took two days but its well worth it. love this site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing wrong in being proud of what you own, or what you do. IMO, the F90BT is the best nav unit right now for its price and usability...especially after the 2.0 update. Good luck and hope you enjoy your new AVIC!

I would love to know why someone who thinks the avic f series is a waste of money they would be reading/posting on this forum? That says either they have a passion for hating these units, or they really have a whole lot of time on their hands.

 

I want to know the answer too! The guy who hates it with a passion replied in 11min... lol

 

i replied in 11 min b.c i was online ..and thay why is a forum...to talk

now ..i am a woman and not a guy...and when i pay 1000$ for something ..i expect this piece of sh...to work..not to have to mod or to do anything to it..

i bought this for tHE msn and the bluetooth..and both dont work...so this unit is useless..AND COST 1000$$ TO ME

kenwood works!!!!!!! i intsalled it yesterday and it works!!!!!! WORKS!!!

What kenwood did you get?

i usually dont chime in on these kind of off topic subjects but this has gotten my attention.

First off its a open forum,If someone doesnt like a f series or anything for that matter they are entitled to there opinion.

Now if they are just spewing venom and not offering any kind of factual reasons as to why the dont like the product then thats just a waste.

The F sereies In my Opinion isnt a bad unit,People are resistant to change and sometimes unwilling to have a open mind.

Does the f series take time to load?Sure and honestly i dont like the loading time,But have you seen the OEM Nav systems on 07-08 Esclades?It takes 30 seconds to 45 seconds to boot up,and the f series with 2.0 now loads just as fast.

For the price the F series Is a great unit,Its nav side has alot of useable benifits over the kenwood and alpine units.The msn direct is something that has to be worked out but lets not forget that sirius Sat radio had the same Hiccups when they started out as well.

Can the F series be improved?Sure,and im betting its being done at this very moment but also someone show me a double din DVD capable With built in bluetooth ALL IN ONE self contained NON disc Navigation Unit at the price point of the f series?

There isnt one not even close,but again it comes down to personal preference.

Some people wont like it period and you cant convince them,

But others will.

If you dont like the F series put up Real reasons,What you dont like,what you did like and let other people choose from there.

Just my.02 cents

I bought the 90 from 6th ave. because of the price (604), it was for my wife's Solstice, she is hard to please and likes simple! I have a Clarion NICE unit and now am way jelous! Paid 300 for the install but that included HD radio (which is fantastic in the Seattle area) and her XM radio. I was afraid the wife would explode at me buying this and putting it in her car, she did not want any thing expensive for xmas. When I took her out to the car I thought I was in deep @&$%, as soon as she saw this though, she was flabergasted at its capabilities. She is now so proud of tha car! Today I link her blackberry curve for phone service and rid the onstar subscription (did not install the harness and lost the annoying door open chime). What a unit! One of these will be going in my dodge ram and replace the NICE unit. I am so glad for this forum, I have been reading many of the threads an appreciate all your inputs, they are informative (and entertaining)! Keep up the great work, I feel like a baby learning to crawl at this point in time!

Barata... Thank you for posting your opinion. Some people on here are a little fanatical, about their systems. In the future, you may want to post some details and reasons when you make a statement.

It would help to clear up the confusion.

Btw, I have only recently gotten my avic-f700bt, and am delighted to find out about all the fixes and mods.

My unit works fine out of the box, just as promised, but I am happy to find fixes and mods to tailor it to my taste and have it work the way I want.

The driving bypass will make my unit much more enjoyable... Wtf I never use my P brake... I have an automatic. I can't wait to see if I can disable all the warnings as well... they are annoying. I can decide for myself.

I would recommend the avic-900. Even tho I don't really need the DVD, it feels like something is missing without it. I think it would have been worth it if I had spent the extra money.

In the future, I would like to see a model with no cd/dvd and a detachable nav that plugs into the fixed deck