First of all hi! I already found a lot on this forum and thanks to all of you for that!

I'm in the market for a nav unit and I'm undecided about the Pioneer F900BT and the JVC NX7000(both european versions).

I already know the differences between the two and have played with the F900BT already. Basicly they are the same, if you pick up the bluetooth adapter for the JVC.

I do have questions however about the dead reckoning and phone use during navigation.

1) The JVC manual states it can make/receive calls during navigation. I read here that the F900 cannot do that?!

2) The JVC also has a setting page for the status and reset of the gyro and speedpulse settings(see picture). I could not find any of that whilst reading the Pioneer manual and whilst playing with the unit.

Does it even exist in the F900?!

Thanks!

AVIC can make calls while navigating (if you get bluetooth to work, of course ).

There is no status page for VSS/Gyro, though...

AVIC can make calls while navigating (if you get bluetooth to work, of course ).

 

There is no status page for VSS/Gyro, though...

My HTC Touch HD works fully on the F900BT, however I remember reading something about not seeing the navigation during calling.

The JVC goes into split screen when calling and navigating.

About the status page, so one cannot see if it works?! That's not very usefull, is it.

Also is reading/making SMS(texting) possible on the F900BT? It is on the JVC, well according to the manual, haven't found a shop yet which has the NX7000 as demo.

You can't control navigation while in call. There's a little window that pops up with phone controls. It does not cover all of the map, but щнг can't click on anything outside of it either...

Making SMS is definitely not supported. Supposedly, there exists a phone, somewhere in the world, that AVIC will actually read SMS from, but I haven't seen it...

Bummer, the JVC is pulling ahead at the moment.

At the moment the only pro's over the JVC for me are that the Pioneer is a prettier unit, the display is supposed to be better and ofcourse the resources that can be found on this forum .

That's still not much

Bummer, the JVC is pulling ahead at the moment.

 

At the moment the only pro's over the JVC for me are that the Pioneer is a prettier unit, the display is supposed to be better and ofcourse the resources that can be found on this forum .

 

That's still not much

Have you factored in the programmability of the F series? It's running Windows CE..which several here have cracked to allow a tremendous amount of customization including the adding of speed/redlight camera warnings on the nav portion, the updating of the XM/Sirius logos as needed (due to channel changes), customization of shortcut icons and buttons, font, etc, etc. Can all of this be done with the JVC?

Bummer, the JVC is pulling ahead at the moment.

 

At the moment the only pro's over the JVC for me are that the Pioneer is a prettier unit, the display is supposed to be better and ofcourse the resources that can be found on this forum .

 

That's still not much

 

Have you factored in the programmability of the F series? It's running Windows CE..which several here have cracked to allow a tremendous amount of customization including the adding of speed/redlight camera warnings on the nav portion, the updating of the XM/Sirius logos as needed (due to channel changes), customization of shortcut icons and buttons, font, etc, etc. Can all of this be done with the JVC?

i don't think the JVC has that much hack & customization available. But it seems to work right out of the box. It doesn't run on Windows CE but on more the more robust Windows Automotive.

Personally, I don't care of the hacks & mods (again personal taste) I prefer somthing that just work right.

Charles

First of all hi! I already found a lot on this forum and thanks to all of you for that!

 

I'm in the market for a nav unit and I'm undecided about the Pioneer F900BT and the JVC NX7000(both european versions).

I already know the differences between the two and have played with the F900BT already. Basicly they are the same, if you pick up the bluetooth adapter for the JVC.

 

I do have questions however about the dead reckoning and phone use during navigation.

1) The JVC manual states it can make/receive calls during navigation. I read here that the F900 cannot do that?!

2) The JVC also has a setting page for the status and reset of the gyro and speedpulse settings(see picture). I could not find any of that whilst reading the Pioneer manual and whilst playing with the unit.

Does it even exist in the F900?!

 

Thanks!

Here in US/Canada we don't have the gyro/ speed sensor. Must be required for Teleatlas map. Here JVC uses Navteq.

But, I'm in the same boat as you, i'm in between the JVC and the F900BT.

Charles

 

Thanks!

 

Here in US/Canada we don't have the gyro/ speed sensor. Must be required for Teleatlas map. Here JVC uses Navteq.

 

But, I'm in the same boat as you, i'm in between the JVC and the F900BT.

 

Charles

Don't think I'd be choosing the JVC without the speedpulse & gyro.

The pioneer is quite good with the latest update and the display is noticably better!

Don't think that the map manufacturer is the decider wether or not there is a gyro.

But since there are a lot tunnels and bad gps reception areas here which is annoying if you have to backtrack every time you miss the exit because you couldn't see it yet because of the length of the tunnel.

 

Thanks!

 

Here in US/Canada we don't have the gyro/ speed sensor. Must be required for Teleatlas map. Here JVC uses Navteq.

 

But, I'm in the same boat as you, i'm in between the JVC and the F900BT.

 

Charles

 

Don't think I'd be choosing the JVC without the speedpulse & gyro.

The pioneer is quite good with the latest update and the display is noticably better!

Don't think that the map manufacturer is the decider wether or not there is a gyro.

But since there are a lot tunnels and bad gps reception areas here which is annoying if you have to backtrack every time you miss the exit because you couldn't see it yet because of the length of the tunnel.

I agree, the US version of JVC is a without gyro and VSS is less tempting option.

As far the map provider to decide or not of the gyro? I'm not sure because the hardware has to be supported by the map software. I'm getting that conclusion because the Pioneer uses the TeleAtlas map software like the JVC euro version and both support gyro and vss while I haven't seen yet any Navteq based software to use the above.

Overall, I prefer the Pioneer but the deal breaker is the remaining bugs.

The up side is the outstanding community!

Charles

Bummer, the JVC is pulling ahead at the moment.

 

At the moment the only pro's over the JVC for me are that the Pioneer is a prettier unit, the display is supposed to be better and ofcourse the resources that can be found on this forum .

 

That's still not much

 

Have you factored in the programmability of the F series? It's running Windows CE..which several here have cracked to allow a tremendous amount of customization including the adding of speed/redlight camera warnings on the nav portion, the updating of the XM/Sirius logos as needed (due to channel changes), customization of shortcut icons and buttons, font, etc, etc. Can all of this be done with the JVC?

 

i don't think the JVC has that much hack & customization available. But it seems to work right out of the box. It doesn't run on Windows CE but on more the more robust Windows Automotive.

 

Personally, I don't care of the hacks & mods (again personal taste) I prefer somthing that just work right.

 

Charles

I totally understand, but some things are beyond Pioneer's control, and the hack is convenient. An example: XM's changing of the station lineup. Since the icon's arent transmitted over the air by XM, the ONLY way to ensure the icons remain up to date an accurate, is by updates to the files.

Well my mind was set on the Pioneer F900BT and guess what... not so impressed.

The first store, they didn't have a 900 but a 700. Not much of a problem since I wanted to see the Bluetooth and Nav.

At first, the screen was totally blank but I could hear sound. Pressed a couple of button, nothing worked. The rep. rebooted the unit and was stuck at the welcome screen. After 5 minutes of juggling I was able to work with it.

The interface was pain slow and looked at the soft version and it was still at ver. 1.0000. I decided to pair it up my Samsung Jack, pairing was working but couldn't transfer my contact list.

I asked the rep to update the unit and would come back for another test.

I went to another store were they had an F900BT fully updated.

Start to play with it and boom, rebooted on me when I hit the MAP button

After, I paired my phone with the unit, all went well. I tried to transfer my contact to the unit.... not enough memory

I still had a couple of contacts loaded. I pressed on the first one to dial... the unit and my phone, both were froze The rep had to reset the unit and I had to remove the battery from my phone to bring it back to life.

Conclusion:

- First, I can understand that a lot of people are playing with the units in store and may drive them crazy, thou I think it should be more robust in a day to day usage.

- Second, The lack of memory to store contacts is a big draw back IMO. Unless I can tell the unit to use the SD card but I haven't seen such setting.

- Third, The Bluetooth compatibly should be improved, the Pioneer doesn't like my Samsong Jack.

My impression is we need to wear white gloves to operates these.

All in all, disappointed so far.

Charles

first time I'm hearing of a "memory" problem when loading contacts. There are many people here who have..at least 100 or 150 contacts loaded successfully. How many were you trying to load?

first time I'm hearing of a "memory" problem when loading contacts. There are many people here who have..at least 100 or 150 contacts loaded successfully. How many were you trying to load?

Well over 1000 contacts I would say. The primary use for this unit would be for business, all my contacts are sorted by company in my phone.

I think the best is to keep my contact on my phone but still use bluetooth. The only draw back I see is my phone #'s would not be associated in the unit.

I can live with that little thing but phone freezing while connected, this I can't.

Charles

first time I'm hearing of a "memory" problem when loading contacts. There are many people here who have..at least 100 or 150 contacts loaded successfully. How many were you trying to load?

 

Well over 1000 contacts I would say. The primary use for this unit would be for business, all my contacts are sorted by company in my phone.

 

I think the best is to keep my contact on my phone but still use bluetooth. The only draw back I see is my phone #'s would not be associated in the unit.

 

I can live with that little thing but phone freezing while connected, this I can't.

 

Charles

Wow.. In that case, I understand. a thousand MIGHT be a record. Im not even sure my phone would hold 1000. lol. Actually the other drawback to not being able to have 100% of your contacts loaded..is the inability to use the identified caller voice regonition. You'd still be able to use voice to spell out each digit. Alternatively, it's not that hard to reach down, grab the phone..and initiate the call by pressing the "call" button on the actual phone. I can honestly say I have some issues with my F900, but I've not had many freezeups at all..and the ones I did have..cleared up themselves in about..30 seconds or so. And those were kinda rare. Good luck whatever your choice.

Well I made a list of the good/bad and ugly.

I then made an informed gut decision and bought the NX7000,

yes it's not as customisable as the F900BT but it's not as necessary as with the F900BT.

Found a shop with them both side by side, the JVC feels solid. The screen lag of the F900BT(even with the EU1.9 firmware) was very noticable when compared to the JVC.

Yes the screen is MUCH better of the F900BT because of the 800x480 res, but the JVC only looks bad by comparison and I don't have them both in my car

Also the the extra screen with the gyro/speed/etc settings and the ability to reset them seperatly from the rest of the unit is a plus.

Thanks again. The forum was a great help, I'll check in from time to time.

I sure don't understand the importance of the status screen (speed pulse, etc). I have it on my Z series units and have accessed it maybe twice in the entire time I've owned them.

Wel 2 reasons, firstly after installation I can check if all is well and secondly it's can be reset without resetting the entire unit.

But you're right it's a minor plus.

The three biggest pluspoint are the speed of the thing, both screen&boot, splitscreen view of the navi which I think looks better whatever view I choose and the removable front.

Ofcourse everybody has to make the choice for themselves but the screen & navi design is just more my thing.

The D3 has a screen that shows G force, an accelerometer, and a volt meter. The volt meter saved me from being stranded and a tow bill once. I noticed that my ABS and Traction control warning light started to flicker once when I was about 2 miles from home. Sometimes these odd warning lights flicker under low voltage conditions. I chcked the avic's volt meter, and sure enough, it was showing 10volts. Turned right around and made it into the driveway JUST as the car shutdown