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Install questions (2004 F-250 SuperDuty)

By sredmyer · Mar 15, 2009in General💬 21 posts👁️ 3,305 views
Posted Mar 15, 2009 · 19:07 UTC#1

Just recently got my F700BT and have a few question before I begin the instal.

 

1) How do I connect the attenna to both the F700 and the HD reciever (GEX-P10HD)?

It looks like some type of "Y" adaptor would be needed but neither installation guide (the one that came with the head unit or the one that came with the HD reciever) shows such a connection. Is it possible that the head unit passes the RF signal to the HD reciever through the IP-Bus connection?

 

2) I would like to check my GPS antenna instal prior to final mounting. Caqn anyone tell me how to see the signal strength.

 

3) Can anyone provide any insight as to the best place to put the mic for optimal performance. I have a factory voice command system in the wifes Caddy and it is horrible at understanding what command has been spoken. I have heard that this is due to the placement of the mic and I hope to avoid this issue when installing my F700BT in my truck.

 

BTW, my instal will be in a 2004 F-250 SuperDuty truck. If anybody as any specific experience with installing the F700BT in this truck I would love to hear any insight you may have on positioning of the GPS atenna or the mic. Also any instal specific tricks you may be aware of for this truck would also be appreciated.

 

Thanks for the help and the wonderful site...lot of really good info here.

Posted Mar 16, 2009 · 05:29 UTC#2

Should be a simple straight forward installation. Im an installer for best buy and have done a few of these vehicles.

1. You dont need and antenna splitter for this. Run your factory antenna into the Hd tuner. Then run the P-Bus cable from the Tuner to the Avic. Select HD as your source and youll get all your stations that way, even the ones not broadcast in HD. You will still be able to selsct am or fm on the unit but there will be static cause the antenna isnt plugged in.

 

2. Gps antenna can go on th top of your front dash. You could do what I did in my car and run it to the top center of the windshield and double sided tape it to the windshiled above the rearview mirror. Or you could run it to the back and out of the third brake light if you have one. Just make sure theres enough room for the wire to fit and maybe put some silicon around it to prevent water from leaking in.

 

3. The Mic I always install above the rearview mirror and a bit to the left(closer to the driver) Never had any issues at all and thats where it is in my personal vehicle. Great sound quality so ive been told by people on the other end. The voice commands are very touchy on the F-series though so be warned.

Hope this helps a bit

Posted Mar 16, 2009 · 16:13 UTC#3

to check gps signal, turn unit on, press SETTINGS button, press NAVI SETTINGS, then press GPS AND TIME SETTINGS.

Posted Mar 16, 2009 · 16:57 UTC#4

I installed my F700BT in a '06 F150, and I just put the GPS transponder directly behind the HU UNDER the dash. My signal strength is fine and it hides the transponder quite nicely. There are some guys over at f150online.com doing this, hence that's where I got the idea. In the F150's, there a large steel support that is part of the body frame that runs the entire width of the truck, but don't know for sure if it's there for the F250. I also used the metal backing that came with the unit too. Hope that helps...

Posted Mar 16, 2009 · 19:23 UTC#5

1. You dont need and antenna splitter for this. Run your factory antenna into the Hd tuner. Then run the P-Bus cable from the Tuner to the Avic. Select HD as your source and youll get all your stations that way, even the ones not broadcast in HD. You will still be able to selsct am or fm on the unit but there will be static cause the antenna isnt plugged in.

 

I have a 2005 Navigator and this is bad advice.

 

Actually to receive AM he needs to split the antenna.

 

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_12040UV44/ ... ml?tp=3351

 

Isn't it an installers responsibility to re-install all functions of a radio when they give it back to the customer?

Posted Mar 17, 2009 · 00:45 UTC#6

Yes use the antenna splitter, its nice to have am available if you want it. Top center towards driver for the mic. Top center of dash for nav antenna. Reception is great. It only needs 4 sats out of almost 30 available at any one given time to locate you and give elevation.

Posted Mar 17, 2009 · 02:37 UTC#7

Thanks for all the information.

 

So let me see if I understand this correctly. If I want to listen to AM I will need the Y splitter for the antenna. I get that. However what I am unclear on is the HD vs FM thing. I do not have any HD reciever at this time so I am unfamiliar with them. I had assumed they worked something like my HD channels with DirecTV. In this senario some channels (not all) broadcast multiple feeds. The HD feed is just one of the feeds alnog with alternate programming on the other feeds (possibly). The key here is that not all channels broadcast these "extra" feeds. If infact HD radio works similarly then I would also need the antenna to listen to those FM stations which did not broadcast an HD feed.

 

Is this understanding of HD radio true? Or is it some how different? If it is different could somebody please explain it to me.

 

Thanks

Posted Mar 17, 2009 · 03:13 UTC#8

The HD radio tuner is a separate box with an IP bus and antenna input. It can tune in analog and digital FM broadcast including the multiple channels on a single frequency. So if you want the easiest method of using the HD get the antenna splitter and you can tune in on AM, FM, or HD source selections on the Avics...

Posted Mar 17, 2009 · 04:33 UTC#9
The HD radio tuner is a separate box with an IP bus and antenna input. It can tune in analog and digital FM broadcast including the multiple channels on a single frequency. So if you want the easiest method of using the HD get the antenna splitter and you can tune in on AM, FM, or HD source selections on the Avics...

 

 

This is correct. I bought my HD box off of ebay for 75.00 and put the splitter in and all is good. I can't believe I went to 4 car audio shops and always got "we don't hook the antenna up to the head unit just the HD unit when we install them. No one listens to AM anymore"..... :roll:

Posted Mar 18, 2009 · 04:09 UTC#10

1. You dont need and antenna splitter for this. Run your factory antenna into the Hd tuner. Then run the P-Bus cable from the Tuner to the Avic. Select HD as your source and youll get all your stations that way, even the ones not broadcast in HD. You will still be able to selsct am or fm on the unit but there will be static cause the antenna isnt plugged in.

 

I have a 2005 Navigator and this is bad advice.

 

Actually to receive AM he needs to split the antenna.

 

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_12040UV44/ ... ml?tp=3351

 

Isn't it an installers responsibility to re-install all functions of a radio when they give it back to the customer?

 

Actually I have an Hd tuner installed with my 700bt and get am just fine. no splitter. Seems funny that you would say you can only get am through the radio when am is being brodcast in hd as well.(at least in my area) and the only way to get am in hd is with an hd tuner.

Posted Mar 18, 2009 · 10:04 UTC#11

You can get AM/FM/AM HD & FM HD through the HD tuner, but why would you not use the splitter. That way atleast all three source buttons would work properly. Plus you could atleast tune in regular AM/FM if the HD box decides to take a crap! LOL

Posted Mar 18, 2009 · 15:31 UTC#12

the HD tuner does not get the same reception as the standerd tuner, i have installed quite a few pioneer hd tuners and we use splitters every time, there have been plenty of times a customer has not been able to tune in a station on the hd tuner but it was able to be tuned in on the standerd tuner

Posted Mar 18, 2009 · 23:39 UTC#13

You may already know this, but you will have to grind the top and bottom lips on the radio opening smooth to get the unit to fit. I have a 2001 Ford F-250 and had to do this. Leave the sides because that is what the dash kit clips to. And also if you ever want to put your stock radio back in that is what it clips to as well.

 

I have my mic clipped to the headliner between the driver's visor and the rearview mirror. Seems to work fine there, although I have heard some complaints of engine noise, I have a diesel. I have my GPS antenna mounted on the top left corner of the windshield. Works fine there.

Posted Mar 22, 2009 · 16:28 UTC#14

Thanks for all the help guys. I ordered the splitter cable and will be installing my unit as soon as the cable gets here...I will post pictures of the install when complete.

 

Thanks again for the help,

Steve

Posted Mar 22, 2009 · 18:04 UTC#15

Ok, here are some pictures of my install so far. I tried to annotate the pictures with points which need to be paid attention to. You may need to scroll each image to see the annotations.

 

Here is a shot of the Dash Kit mounted on the HU. This kit can be purchased (with wiring harness adaptor) on Ebay here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/9696969696_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ38636QQihZ022QQitemZ350179815667QQtcZphoto)

📎 Dash Kit.JPG

 

Here are some shots of a modification to the kit I had to do.

📎 Rear Clip.JPG

📎 Rear Clip2.JPG

📎 Rear Clip3.JPG

 

Now in the truck

Dash.jpg

📎 Screws.JPG

📎 Frame Piece.JPG

📎 Bend.JPG

 

Hope others find this useful.

Posted May 28, 2009 · 01:41 UTC#16

Very useful indeed. What type of dash kit did you use (brand and model). I am putting the F series in my 04 F250 - have read a ton of threads on it stating to use the Metra 99-5805 but that is hard to find without ordering online. there are some similar scosche kits at wally world but I am not sure they will fit as nice.

 

Do you have pictures of the finished product?

Posted Jun 05, 2009 · 16:45 UTC#17

I can't locate the metra 99-5805, can someone let me know of other kits that will work on an 04 F250? I would like something that I can find local like at a walmart or bestbuy etc. scosche?

Posted Jun 08, 2009 · 15:29 UTC#18

i think the scosche FD1330B will work with some minor dash modifications

Posted Jun 13, 2009 · 02:48 UTC#19

I found the metra 99-5805 kit but it did not come with a rear clip and the f700bt will not fit through the opening of the trim bezel provided with the kit. Am I missing something here or is the metra 99-5805 not fit the Avic f700bt in a 2004 F250?

 

Please hel the install is supposed to get done tomorrow...

Posted Jun 15, 2009 · 16:22 UTC#20

i googled that model # and it lookes right, the hole unit will not fit through the hole in the kit, just the front face, its just a little smaller than the body of the unit, plus the dash trim needs to be trimed a little on the top and the bottom (just dont touch the sides) to make the unit fit into the dash

Posted Jun 15, 2009 · 17:36 UTC#21

Thanks, I got it in

 

The unit had to be mounted much more recessed than I had hoped, this is because the trim bezel did not fit the radio well and with the metra kit on the unit it was far too wide for the opening unless I had the side brackets sticking out about .5" beyond the front of the radio. The kit does not work great on this application, it would probably have fit much nicer with the pioneer double din sleeve and trim bezel. I might change to the pioneer kit one of these days...

 

 

Thanks again