I have the Pioneer Avic D3 installed in my vehicle and I am intrested in purchasing the Pioneer AVIC-X920BT. Am I able to just unplug the connections on the Avic D3 and just plug into the new unit? Or are there different wires that need to be ran?

Thanks.

all the same wires are used (VSS, p-brake, reverse) but the plugs are different, so you will need to rewire the harnesses

I have the Pioneer Avic D3 installed in my vehicle and I am intrested in purchasing the Pioneer AVIC-X920BT. Am I able to just unplug the connections on the Avic D3 and just plug into the new unit? Or are there different wires that need to be ran?

Thanks.

I just put mine in on Saturday...the (black) harness hooked right in...The speaker(white) harness did not...but that harness took two seconds...but basically it was a direct swap...took me 25 min..

Did you have to crimp or splice anything, or did you just pull out wires and put them back in the right place(s) in the new harness?

Are all the colors the same?

Also, people on here have said the XM antenna isn't the same (sounds weird to me)....did the old one fit?

Also, what else was different in the install overall?

Did you have to crimp or splice anything, or did you just pull out wires and put them back in the right place(s) in the new harness?

 

Are all the colors the same?

 

Also, people on here have said the XM antenna isn't the same (sounds weird to me)....did the old one fit?

 

Also, what else was different in the install overall?

I didn't crimp anything on the main harness plug...I just pulled it from the D3 in put it into my X920BT...All the colors are the same...Only thing that was different was the harness plug for the RCA's....but even the wires on that harness were the same...just the plug was different...One that harness I had to ground the yellow wire i think...that was it...

Did you have to crimp or splice anything, or did you just pull out wires and put them back in the right place(s) in the new harness?

 

Are all the colors the same?

 

Also, people on here have said the XM antenna isn't the same (sounds weird to me)....did the old one fit?

 

Also, what else was different in the install overall?

you will need to separate the D3 harness from the aftermarket harness you have right now, then you will need to attach the X920's harness to the aftermarket wire harness, either using crimp caps or by soldering the wires together, yes all of the colors are the same.

the XM antenna shouldn't make a difference, but depending on what model tuner you have, you might have to change that to the newer one, you will need to find out what the model number is for the XM tuner is and check it on pioneers web site to see if its compatible or not

you will also have to run the cable for the mic (even if you had the D3 bluetooth, you will have to remove that module, since its built in to the new HU)

and nothing else it different about the install, take out the old parts and put in the new parts

Did you have to crimp or splice anything, or did you just pull out wires and put them back in the right place(s) in the new harness?

 

Are all the colors the same?

 

Also, people on here have said the XM antenna isn't the same (sounds weird to me)....did the old one fit?

 

Also, what else was different in the install overall?

 

you will need to separate the D3 harness from the aftermarket harness you have right now, then you will need to attach the X920's harness to the aftermarket wire harness, either using crimp caps or by soldering the wires together, yes all of the colors are the same.

 

the XM antenna shouldn't make a difference, but depending on what model tuner you have, you might have to change that to the newer one, you will need to find out what the model number is for the XM tuner is and check it on pioneers web site to see if its compatible or not

 

you will also have to run the cable for the mic (even if you had the D3 bluetooth, you will have to remove that module, since its built in to the new HU)

 

and nothing else it different about the install, take out the old parts and put in the new parts

I didn't have to do it...the harness from the D3 is the same as X920BT...just pulled it out of the D3 and put it into my X920bt...even the bypass was the same...Plug n Play

Hmm...sounds like two TOTALLY different stories here, guys...

the (black) harness hooked right in...The speaker(white) harness did not...

the speaker harness is the black harness, the white harness is the RCA harness

just pulled it out of the D3 and put it into my X920bt...even the bypass was the same

how is the bypass exactly the same if the plug isn't?

the main harness may be the same style plug plug, pioneer changed most of their harnesses for the 2009 models, but it doesn't look like they changed the main harness for the nav systems so you probably dont need to rewire the main harness

One that harness I had to ground the yellow wire i think...that was it...

its the yellow/black "mute" wire, the pin has to be moved over one spot before you ground it

the (black) harness hooked right in...The speaker(white) harness did not...

 

the speaker harness is the black harness, the white harness is the RCA harness

 

Your right...the black harness for me was the only one I really used and in my opinion the hardest of the both to install...the RCA(white) I only used two wires (backup camera and ground)...

 

just pulled it out of the D3 and put it into my X920bt...even the bypass was the same

 

how is the bypass exactly the same if the plug isn't?

 

I got the harnesses mixed up, my bad...the install from the D3 to 920bt shouldn't take more than 20-25 min...if it takes any longer you shouldn't be installing the radio yourself..

 

the main harness may be the same style plug plug, pioneer changed most of their harnesses for the 2009 models, but it doesn't look like they changed the main harness for the nav systems so you probably dont need to rewire the main harness

 

 

One that harness I had to ground the yellow wire i think...that was it...

its the yellow/black "mute" wire, the pin has to be moved over one spot before you ground it

 

Hmmm...

A little more confused now...LOL. We're three levels of quoting deep, now...and that's just two hard to parse...

So, to clarify...

1. WHICH color harness DOES NOT require any re-wiring? White or black?

2. Which color is the "main" harness when you say "main"?

3. For the plug that DOES require re-wiring, how many total changes are we talking? Is it just moving the mute wire over to accomplish the bypass, or is more than that?

4. What does "probably" have to rewire mean? lol

5. Does the existing GPS antenna plug fit or not??

6. Can someone just do a STEP-BY-STEP on EXACTLY what needs to be changed for the guy who started this post? Exact rewiring...pin by pin...and get agreement between the two of you. You'd be helping not only the thread creator, but this guy as well:

http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/s ... 920bt.html

Hmmm...

 

A little more confused now...LOL. We're three levels of quoting deep, now...and that's just two hard to parse...

 

So, to clarify...

 

1. WHICH color harness DOES NOT require any re-wiring? White or black?

 

Black

 

2. Which color is the "main" harness when you say "main"?

Black

 

3. For the plug that DOES require re-wiring, how many total changes are we talking? Is it just moving the mute wire over to accomplish the bypass, or is more than that?

White...grounding the yellow and black wire...Yes

 

4. What does "probably" have to rewire mean? lol

 

5. Does the existing GPS antenna plug fit or not??

Didn't fit...D3 was round...X920BT is square

 

6. Can someone just do a STEP-BY-STEP on EXACTLY what needs to be changed for the guy who started this post? Exact rewiring...pin by pin...and get agreement between the two of you. You'd be helping not only the thread creator, but this guy as well:

 

http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/s ... 920bt.html

Thanks! That's a little more clear. And we finally got someone to give a straight answer on the GPS antenna thing, which has been floating around a few threads in this forum! lol

I imagine the wiring diagrams that come with the unit are helpful, but just in case, here's a potential backup wiring diagram...

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/audio- ... awing.html

Bottom line answer to the guy's original question: Pioneer had to go and change the *#@&%^$ harness for some friggin' reason...and they had to change the connector on the end of the GPS antenna wire. It is NOT a straight plug-and-play upgrade from the D3 to the X920BT. Thanks, Pioneer (not).

P.S. Anybody know if there's any sort of GPS antenna plug adapter out there to switch the D3-compatible GPS antenna plug to fit the X-series models?? People would really rather not have to re-install their GPS antenna and re-run the wire...especially if it's in a hidden, under-the-dash location.

And unnecessary splicing is ALWAYS bad...always introduces noise, and often makes the antenna (or a microphone) unusable.

Friggin' Pioneer...sometimes, I REALLY hate those guys...

P.S. Anybody know if there's any sort of GPS antenna plug adapter out there to switch the D3-compatible GPS antenna plug to fit the X-series models??

People would really rather not have to re-install their GPS antenna and re-run the wire...especially if it's in a hidden, under-the-dash location.

And unnecessary splicing is ALWAYS bad...always introduces noise, and often makes the antenna (or a microphone) unusable.

Friggin' Pioneer...sometimes, I REALLY hate those guys...

 

Friggin' Pioneer...sometimes, I REALLY hate those guys...

why, Every single brand i have ever used or sold has periodically changes their harnesses, not just a pioneer thing

Hmm...not to be rude, but just because a few other companies change their products enough to make a simple plug-and-play upgrade impossible doesn't make it right...in fact, it's plain dumb business...especially since Pioneer forces their customer base to buy entirely new units to fix the mistakes of their past ones. Any marketing person worth his pay will tell you that it's ALWAYS better to make it easy for customers to replace an old unit with a new one. So the old "but mom, my best FRIEND also jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge" defense really doesn't work.

So...other reasons I'm miffed at them? Well, since you ask...

- Harness Changes: The harness change we just discussed...

- Really Poor Past Bluetooth:

Pioneer techs admitted many times to many people on this forum that they made a number of errors programming the Bluetooth stack on the BTB200, which made all the older units totally nonfunctional with a TON of phones, and prevented phones that USED to have excellent voice-dialing capabilities (e.g., the 2004 Motorola RAZR) from working properly. Instead of bothering to fix it and adhere to the Bluetooth HFP and HSP protocols and standards by offering a replacement unit (e.g., a BTB201?) they just said "tough...we always said we can't guarantee your phone will work with this unit"....this despite HEAVILY advertising the hands-free and telephony capabilities of those older units.

Often, they told people "well...buy the new units with better Bluetooth"...thanks...instead of offering a Bluetooth accessory to fix their past mistakes, they use forced obsolescence, viewing existing customers as a forced-upgrade pool.

In contrast, Kenwood's units use Parrot bluetooth, which is far superior and whose programmers adhere to the relevant Bluetooth standards and properly programs their bluetooth profiles.

- Soon-Obsolete Traffic and Live Data:

Everybody's Z-, F-, and X-series units that rely on MSN for traffic and other live data will all go obsolete, losing these functions in a year...Pioneer refuses to develop a replacement FM-TDS add-on as well as live internet add-on to replace the functionality everyone is going to use....once again, forcing customers to buy $1000+ units instead of a simple $100 replacement add-on. Tom Toms and Garmins costing $200 use FM-TDS, and Pioneer could EASILY help out tens of thousands of their existing customers by offering add-ons to replace what they'll all be losing in Jan 2012.

And of course, they made the new X-series units incompatible with the XM NavTraffic feature on the older XM receiver...probably because they made some sort of deal with Microsoft and MSN. Thanks, Pioneer....for making new units incompatible with the NavTraffic features of your older XM units. Idiots.

- Navigation: Pioneer went with inferior iGo on the earlier units...and Pioneer-proprietary navigation on the newer ones. In contrast, Kenwood was smart enough to go with Garmin navigation, which works better and allows ANYONE to borrow a car and know how to use the nav system, since Garmin is so common.

- Habit of Ridiculous Bugs: Until recently, if one acknowledged the map warnings at the wrong time, VR cataloging wouldn't work and people couldn't use the units by voice. And some techs told members of this forum that it was "a feature"...LOL. Are you @*#&$$$ kidding me, Pioneer? And let's not get into the dozens of other comical bugs that everyone on here has been complaining about for years (especially on the F-series units)....we could spend days going through those (e.g., mispellings, vehicle arrows not pointing in the correct direction, VR cataloging not working, slow boots and lock-ups, and the really comical bugs in all the F-series units).

- Rebates to Move Large Numbers of Old Product *JUST* before Releasing Previously-Secret New Units: Yes, some other brands use rebates to clear old inventory, but not with the large rebates Pioneer used...and not RIGHT before a near-zero-notice release of new units that many folks would've preferred to wait for had they known they were coming. In fact, that's why I think an expensive replacement for the X920BT is probably on the horizon...a mysterious rebate has appeared.

- Inferior Manuals: Some of the Japanese-to-english translation in all the Pioneer navigation unit manuals is really comically bad. In contrast, Kenwoods are pretty decent...and Tom Tom, Garmin, Magellan, etc. are all owned by western countries and have flawless technical guides.

and since its a free market system, you can either bitch about it and do nothing like most people like to do, or if there are so many problems you can actually do something about it and get a better brand, instead of following all the other sheep and just buying another unit from the same company you just told me how bad they where.

did you ever stop to think that the reason that they change stuff like the harnesses might just have to do with something like the suppliers that provide all the accessories(because pioneer doesn't have the time or desire to mess around with building all the small mics and ant if they could just have them made by a company for less then what it would cost them) might have made changes to their products and pioneer has to design around it. or do you just think that these companies just spend countless dollars wasted on redesigning parts that they already had just because they feel like wasting money.

also if you think that they care enough about making the swap easy for you to do as their primary purpose in designing the units, your completely wrong, its all going to come down to what they can get from their suppliers and how much its gonna cost, because if rewiring a harness or replacing a different GPS ant is too difficult for you, then you have absolutely no business behind the dash. period.

and of course every company in the world will discount all of the old stock, to make room for all the new stuff. if all the stores still had tons of stock of older units then none of the shops would buy any of the new products, if nobody bought any of the new models then they would have to stop making new models and then every body would have a old POS. and you as a customer should know if a unit has a huge rebate on it after it has been around for a while then there is probably something new right around the corner. that has been how its done for a long time bud, might as well get used to it, if they told you some thing was coming out real soon then nobody would buy a old model no matter how cheap it was, that's what the marketing staff is paid to do, move units

just because something doesn't make sense from a marketing stand point, doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense from an engineering standpoint, sure the marketers tell the engineers what they want, but it is the engineers job to deliver it as realistically as possible and as cheaply as possible.

LOL...just what I expected from the unapologetic fanboys on this site. Pioneer can do no wrong, according to you guys.

I notice you didn't have much of a defense for the MSN-only live data, live-POI, and traffic information issue that's going to render nearly the entire Pioneer F-, X-, and Z-series obsolete in a year....lol. To which Pioneer's answer to everyone has been "Oh well...at least your stuff will work until Jan 2011...nope, we don't plan any particular replacement capability for our existing units...good luck, customers!"

LOL...just what I expected from the unapologetic fanboys on this site. Pioneer can do no wrong, according to you guys.

also why should i have to apologize for anything that pioneer did?

I notice you didn't have much of a defense for the MSN-only live data, live-POI, and traffic information issue

that's going to render nearly the entire Pioneer F-, X-, and Z-series obsolete in a year

so while there will be new advances made i guess its going to come down to which definition of obsolete you want to use

–adjective

1.

no longer in general use; fallen into disuse: an obsolete expression.

well the units will still have maps, and will be able to tell you how to get places, and the radio, ipod, XM, SD, CD, DVD, and USB players will still work fine, so then that is not an accurate statement, because the lack of traffic info wont stop me from using this unit everyday

or we can go with

–verb (used with object)

6.

to make obsolete by replacing with something newer or better;

which this would be dead on accurate with these radios, however, it would also accurately describe every piece of electronics ever built in the history of mankind

To which Pioneer's answer to everyone has been "Oh well...at least your stuff will work until Jan 2011...nope, we don't plan any particular replacement capability for our existing units...good luck, customers!"

i guess i'm the only intelligent one here, because the only reason i bought the unit that i did, was because of the price. i did all my research and knew of every problem long before i bought my radio, and i definitely knew that there was new models about to come out and thats why i got my unit new in the box for less than half price, which for what i got makes this radio the best VALUE out there, and long from the BEST unit out there, for $500, no brand would have offered everything that i got for anywhere near the price.

if your so damn butt hurt over pioneer giving you the shaft, then man up and switch brands, instead of complaining about everything and doing nothing.

- Pioneer went with inferior iGo on the earlier units...

Sorry. iGO is the most powerful and full-featured navigation software on the market. Not that you could see it with Pioneer's custom skin on top of it, but this is easily fixed.

Garmins are perfectly fine basic navigators, but no more than that.

Hey Everybody:

I just successfully upgraded a buddy's D3 to the X920BT.

I wanted to let you know you all missed ANOTHER important difference in the harnesses.

Specifically, there is a blue/white wire on the D3's white RCA harness for "system control terminal of the power amp." There is ALSO a different pure blue wire on the D3's black power harness for "antenna relay control." They are different, and the D3's install instructions specifically say to keep them separate.

However, on the X920BT, both of these appear to have been combined on a single blue/white wire on the X920BT black power harness.

In our install, we had to move what we had connected to the D3's blue/white RCA wire over to the black harness. In our case, the rear speakers wouldn't work until we hooked it up because of the details of how his D3 install was done. So now, we've got his Audi's antenna control relay AND a power/amp or real speaker line BOTH connected to the same (blue) wire leftover from the old D3 power harness. If we had used the new X920BT harness, then we'd have them BOTH on the new blue/white wire.

- JD

I have the Pioneer Avic D3 installed in my vehicle and I am intrested in purchasing the Pioneer AVIC-X920BT. Am I able to just unplug the connections on the Avic D3 and just plug into the new unit? Or are there different wires that need to be ran?

Thanks.

Are you getting rid of your D3?