http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/Accessories/CNSD-210FM

Some Body Call ShortFuse rsrsrsrsrsr

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/Accessories/CNSD-210FM

$120 for an improvment that suppose to be free because they suppose to stand behind their products and support them, greedy motherfuc..rs.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/Accessories/CNSD-210FM

And for all those with the MSN Traffic Tuner, this is actually a $200 upgrade. With the cost of the ND-TMC10 tuner (~$80) and the upgrade ($120), there is no price-difference than the Z110-to-Z120 upgrade. I guess I'll wait until December 2011 to buy the ND-TMC10 tuner, maybe it'll be cheaper then.

The Z110-to-Z120 upgrade includes the 2010 TeleAtlas Map Upgrade, a GUI Interface Upgrade, Pandora Link, and Musicsphere. The revamped GUI interface is all that really mattered in the update.

The Z120-to-Z130 upgrade includes the 2011 TeleAtlas Map Upgrade, a GUI Interface Update (not Upgrade), Aha Radio Compatibility, and an Improved POI Search. I don't see much to get excited about here. If I didnt have to adapt to the MSN tuner being obsolete in the next 6 months, I wouldnt even bother with this update.

In the last year, the upgrades alone have cost upwards of $400.

"Pioneer" = "GREEDY"

Your paying for the map upgrade not the updated GUI or additional features. The same thing happened last year with people whining about price. Map upgrades are never free.

Your paying for the map upgrade not the updated GUI or additional features. The same thing happened last year with people whining about price. Map upgrades are never free.

Yeah right like $20 for map update and $100 for pioneer, tomtom map and device together are like $100 and we all know that tomtom maps are the best give me a break, and I'm not wining because I don't own pioneer product yet, I just feel sorry for poeple who bought a product few years ago and kept forking hundred of dollars every year to keep their products up to date.

Yeah right like $20 for map update and $100 for pioneer, tomtom map and device together are like $100 and we all know that tomtom maps are the best give me a break, and I'm not wining because I don't own pioneer product yet, I just feel sorry for poeple who bought a product few years ago and kept forking hundred of dollars every year to keep their products up to date.

Oh, a troll. That's what I figured. Stay with your $100 TomTom then.

The pricing isn't too crazy considering there are additional features beyond just the maps (however minor they may be). Just to compare I went to the NAVTEQ website and looked up pricing for Map (only) updates, and they're more like $200:

http://www.navigation.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Navteq-NavteqNorthAmerica-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewStandardCatalog-Browse?CatalogCategoryID=83UKCghBDysAAAEpcBgY6q8c&ShowAllProducts=YES&PersistNavigationMenu=YES

Yeah right like $20 for map update and $100 for pioneer, tomtom map and device together are like $100 and we all know that tomtom maps are the best give me a break, and I'm not wining because I don't own pioneer product yet, I just feel sorry for poeple who bought a product few years ago and kept forking hundred of dollars every year to keep their products up to date.

How expensive is it to keep a Kenwood up to date? $1000 or so every year for the new headunit?

While I agree that you can buy a new tomtom every year for $100, so it's rather lame that it costs more for a couple SD cards.

Bluetooth® firmware update

So does this mean that the rampant BT issues *may* be resolved in this update??

I'm not getting my hopes up.

Where the @(*#&^%$%#@ hell are the OFFICIAL XM logo updates?? WTF? WHAT THE BLOODY F?

Also...September? For a current year update? Seriously, Pioneer? @*#&%%

Bluetooth® firmware update

 

So does this mean that the rampant BT issues *may* be resolved in this update??

 

 

I'm not getting my hopes up.

That's MY question...ANYONE with a 120 upload this update yet???

AVIC-Z120BT and AVIC-X920BT update includes:

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• Ahaâ„¢ Radio connectivity with Aha Radio app installed on a connected iPhone 4
  
• Improved POI search
  
• Bluetooth® firmware update
   
  

I'm sorry, "Improved Search" & bluetooth should be a free upgrade to everyone! That is a standard update.

If they wanna charge $120 for the map update, fine go ahead but the other 2, that's B$!

I'm tired of these companies bending over for apple.

As I posted on their youtube channel, this is definitely my last pioneer purchase.

If I order the updates, can they only be used on one headunit, or can they be used on more than one? In other words, if I have two vehicles with Z120BT headunits, can I just order one set of updates and use it on both units? Or do I need to order two sets of updates?

I would imagine you can use it on multiple head units. Once ordered you've got the files on an SD card. To my knowledge Pioneer isn't getting "license" specific like software.

If I order the updates, can they only be used on one headunit, or can they be used on more than one? In other words, if I have two vehicles with Z120BT headunits, can I just order one set of updates and use it on both units? Or do I need to order two sets of updates?

I would imagine you can use it on multiple head units. Once ordered you've got the files on an SD card. To my knowledge Pioneer isn't getting "license" specific like software.

Upgrade package includes (1) microSDHC card, (1) microSD card, (1) SD card adapter, and media number card

 

IMPORTANT NOTE: You will need to activate your upgrade at http://www.pioneernavigationupdate.com as part of the installation (upgrade) process.

 

Navigation Software Activation Tool

 

Easy Instructions

•Input the 16 digit Device Number into the appropriate box above.

•Input the 20 digit Media Number into the appropriate box above.

•Press the SEND button.

That's from their website. I'm not sure if this enables them to "monitor" use of each install/upgrade

That's from their website. I'm not sure if this enables them to "monitor" use of each install/upgrade

Each Media Number (ie purchased upgrade) can only be registered with one Device Number (ie HU). The two numbers are then used by Pioneer to generate a valid code that you enter when you install the upgrade. In other words you will need to purchase the upgrade for each HU. Of course, I'm sure ShortFuse can eliminate that problem with another hack.

 

The Z120-to-Z130 upgrade includes the 2011 TeleAtlas Map Upgrade, a GUI Interface Update (not Upgrade), Aha Radio Compatibility, and an Improved POI Search. I don't see much to get excited about here. If I didnt have to adapt to the MSN tuner being obsolete in the next 6 months, I wouldnt even bother with this update.

 

This does include the App mode they were showcasing as well, right? If not then i'm not going to bother. I was looking forward to this as a solution for my iPhone 3GS Netflix stream issue to the headunit. For those that were not already aware, Netflix app will only stream video from iPad and iPhone 4 to Pioneer head units. Audio streams on all units.

If I order the updates, can they only be used on one headunit, or can they be used on more than one? In other words, if I have two vehicles with Z120BT headunits, can I just order one set of updates and use it on both units? Or do I need to order two sets of updates?

Just got my update today, it's locked to only one headunit. You have to key in the media number from the SD card and the device id to one specific unit and that will generate a password that works only on that unit. I'm sure if you go back to the website and key in the same media number and new headunit number it will yell STOP.

Just got my update today, it's locked to only one headunit. You have to key in the media number from the SD card and the device id to one specific unit and that will generate a password that works only on that unit. I'm sure if you go back to the website and key in the same media number and new headunit number it will yell STOP.

Any chance on messing with AppMode (or anyone?) with an iPhone? Really wanted to see if it worked well before dropping any cash on this to provide additional feedback.

Any chance on messing with AppMode (or anyone?) with an iPhone? Really wanted to see if it worked well before dropping any cash on this to provide additional feedback.

I love the AppMode shortcut now on the main screen, easier to get to. I have an app TVOutTuner that basically sends all output to the screen, I even seen the icons of apps and any app, game, or website on the Avic. The AppMode is no different they what you could go before by jumping thru setting screens, just faster now with the button right there on the main screen.

Anyone know where i can get it in canada­

I have an app TVOutTuner that basically sends all output to the screen, I even seen the icons of apps and any app, game, or website on the Avic.

That sounds exactly like what I am needing. What iPhone do you have? Also, how does the TVOutTuner app work? Do you open it up while you have the AVIC running, the minimize it (assuming it runs in the background) and then whatever app or navigation you are doing on your iPhone is displayed on the screen? I have a 3GS and was sorely disappointed that AppMode would only stream app content from the iPhone 4.

 

That sounds exactly like what I am needing. What iPhone do you have? Also, how does the TVOutTuner app work? Do you open it up while you have the AVIC running, the minimize it (assuming it runs in the background) and then whatever app or navigation you are doing on your iPhone is displayed on the screen? I have a 3GS and was sorely disappointed that AppMode would only stream app content from the iPhone 4.

After you start TVOutTuner you just exit out of it, it stays running in the background. I have an iPod Touch 4. It sends video/audio for any app to the screen including the springboard as you flip thru the apps. I play a few games that work pretty good on bigger screen.