just installed 2 of a new batch of Z1's and was just informed from our product specialist that pioneer "fixed" the bypass. Just confirmed with one Z1 yestreday and one today with the ducatti boy circuit as well as the tr-7.
If anyone has any new info please post up!!

Fusion13 said:

just installed 2 of a new batch of Z1's and was just informed from our product specialist that pioneer "fixed" the bypass. Just confirmed with one Z1 yestreday and one today with the ducatti boy circuit as well as the tr-7.
If anyone has any new info please post up!!

I had one installed by a dealer last Saturday, and the on/off light thing works...don't know how old the unit was, but he mentioned he's sold a few. If it helps it came with Gracenote CDDB 06-01-0010 which is older than what the update is on the Pioneer website which is 06-01-0020.

Fusion13 said:

just installed 2 of a new batch of Z1's and was just informed from our product specialist that pioneer "fixed" the bypass. Just confirmed with one Z1 yestreday and one today with the ducatti boy circuit as well as the tr-7.
If anyone has any new info please post up!!

What is the software version of those units? Any possible way to find out? The current version most of us are running is 1.00000. Seems werid, Pioneer has had a bypass in every unit out there. Also there is no software update on the net yet. I suppose that they could have an update to stock ones before being able to update the ones in the field.

Hope this is a mistake. Mine might go for $2800 on ebay :)

What is the software version of those units? Any possible way to find out? The current version most of us are running is 1.00000. Seems werid, Pioneer has had a bypass in every unit out there. Also there is no software update on the net yet. I suppose that they could have an update to stock ones before being able to update the ones in the field.

Hope this is a mistake. Mine might go for $2800 on ebay :)

the one I have is version number 1.0000

just installed mine less than a week ago... DucatiBoy's circuit works like a charm... I don't remember the build date, but it was very recent.

Sam

Well if they are fixing this it's a software update. Check for the revision of the software. So far every one I know of is 1.0000, and flashing works on those. Also the fact that Pioneer told some installers to use TR7's to bypass the lockouts on the Z1. I would be surprised to hear that they removed that "feature".

just installed mine today and turning the lights off and on during boot didnt work for me either and I am at 1.00. I probably did it wrong though so I need to re read the bypass trick and I will let you know

brooks93 said:

just installed mine today and turning the lights off and on during boot didnt work for me either and I am at 1.00. I probably did it wrong though so I need to re read the bypass trick and I will let you know

Make sure the ill wire is connected correctly by turning on the vehicle, going to the nav screen and make sure turning the lights on puts the nav screen into night mode. If the screen doesn't change with your headlights then flashing the lights when you turn on car won't work. If the lights do put the unit into night mode, then you just need to work on your timing. Turn the car on, wait till you see "starting pioneer navigation" and when you do, turn the lights on, wait 3-4 seconds, and then you can leave them on or turn them off. That's all there is to it.

If you have software version 1.0000 then it should work, unless they updated the software and mistakenly left the version as 1.0000 (which I would highly doubt).

the illum is hooked up because it went into night mode when I tested everything out last night.

i probably just did it wrong but, I got to finish the sirius install this morning so I will let you know

yep i was doing it wrong. The light flicker works on mine.

ducatiboy said:

........ Turn the car on, wait till you see "starting pioneer navigation" and when you do, turn the lights on, wait 3-4 seconds, and then you can leave them on or turn them off. That's all there is to it........

Hey, I think you missed the part about turning OFF the lights after that 3-4 seconds.

For me it works like this: Turn on the car/Turn on the lights/then turn OFF the lights just as the Pioneer logo appears or half a second before that once you get the nag of it.
Obviously, Ducatiboy's thingy is the better way to go.

Passat 05 said:

ducatiboy said:

........ Turn the car on, wait till you see "starting pioneer navigation" and when you do, turn the lights on, wait 3-4 seconds, and then you can leave them on or turn them off. That's all there is to it........

Hey, I think you missed the part about turning OFF the lights after that 3-4 seconds.

For me it works like this: Turn on the car/Turn on the lights/then turn OFF the lights just as the Pioneer logo appears or half a second before that once you get the nag of it.
Obviously, Ducatiboy's thingy is the better way to go.

There is another thread about new versions of Z1's and as far as we know, it's not true, the other thread is here:
http://www.avic411.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1294

As for flashing the lights. When you see the "Starting Pioneer Navigation" text screen, what ever the state of the lights are when you first see that screen has to change when you see that screen or just into when you see the pioneer boot logo. If the lights are on when you see that screen they need to turn off, if they are off they need to turn on. It only needs to see that one transition. Either way works.

There is no update on the Z1's and there will not be one for quite some time.

Duc's chip works great and if it don't... then most likelly it's an install problem and nothing else.

Please do us all a favor and stop spreading rumors about new versions or updates.

Find a better installer or try to install it yourself and it will work.

ducatiboy said:

.... As for flashing the lights. When you see the "Starting Pioneer Navigation" text screen, what ever the state of the lights are when you first see that screen has to change while you see that screen or just into when you see the pioneer boot logo. If the lights are on when you see that screen they need to turn off, if they are off they need to turn on. It only needs to see that one transition. Either way works.

That's the best wording I've seen yet and I've just learned something new. :D

My Z1 is fairly new. Just had it installed 2 weeks ago. Dont know how long they were stocking it at the store, but tommorow I will check the version number and post an update to this post. The flasher DOES work with my unit.

[EDIT] As promised I checked my Version and It seems I have the same as everyone else (01.0000) [/EDIT]

wow... just guys scared the hell out of me for a sec there.... since I just received my unit back from pioneer (was on repair, after 12 hours of been bought) and I was not able to do the flash hack all this afternoon flashing my lights like crazy....... as soon as I saw this post I ran with my laptop to the car to test it.....

I worked! ... the problem was that I was not letting the lights on for a couple of seconds then turning them off while the boot screen... ( I was only flashing them with the High beams..)

Snake said:

There is no update on the Z1's and there will not be one for quite some time.

Duc's chip works great and if it don't... then most likelly it's an install problem and nothing else.

Please do us all a favor and stop spreading rumors about new versions or updates.

Find a better installer or try to install it yourself and it will work.

Well first off I have confirmed with 3 new units that it is not an install problem and I am not spreding rumors or saying that ducati boy's chips do not work because I have installed at least 9 of them on the z1's. I am just trying to figure out if any one else has had any bypass probs with the most recent batch of units. I have sold and installed at least 35 Z1's at my shop and I think that my Nav sales will fall if this is going to be the issue.

I was just talking to an installer who verified my circuit worked on the bench but he couldn't get the flashing to work when he was manually doing it by just shorting the ILL wire to 12V.

I told him to go through the different levels of reset procedures (modes 1 - 4) and see if that did anything, but he was having trouble and verified that the version is 1.000 and the manufacture date was from last month.

Anyone know anybody in pioneer we can ask?

What is the manufactuer date on your unit. Mine is Julym 2006 and it doesn't work.

my unit made july 06 and had it installed about a week ago. flasher works if and when i dont use my remote start, if i do use the remote start when i hop in the car i see the unit slightly dimming and going back to normal from the on/off of the parking lights.

Well, it seems like they must have changed them during July. I'm swapping my July unit for one made in June and I'll let you know what happens. I guess no one's going to be doing any SW upgrades when Pioneer comes out with them.

I was about to buy a Z1, but I'm not going to spend $2 Grand on a crippled unit. Maybe a loss to other brands will influence Pioneer, or maybe they don't really care?

tdizzle said:

I was about to buy a Z1, but I'm not going to spend $2 Grand on a crippled unit. Maybe a loss to other brands will influence Pioneer, or maybe they don't really care?

I would be surprised if they would care. We could always try calling tech support and see if we can get any confirmation or anything about this situation.

Calling tech support would be futile. Before deciding on the Z1 I was going to order the D2 from Crutchfield due to the $900 worth of freebies with the purchase, but I wanted to know about Bluetooth. Contacted Pioneer tech support 3 times. Got 3 different answers from 3 different reps. Two said you could use Bluetooth with the D2 (not the module for the Z1 but the older module, the BTB100), one was adamant you couldn't. When I forwarded their e-mails to each other all three still insisted they were correct!!!!!

So, if their tech support reps can't even agree on whether or not the D2 supports Bluetooth, and won't even contact each other to discuss it, I doubt you will get a straight answer on this. And if you do, you can't trust it anyway.

OK Guys,

Here's some key information. I swapped my July unit out with a June unit, just unplugged one and plugged in the other and the override works fine. They clearly changed it sometime in July. Hopefully, someone will discover the latest bypass and Ducattiboy can find an automated way to implement it.