the now defunked HD-DVD that came in the brown cases doesn't count, since it played the VHS part this time and it lost

I'd say HD-DVD was more like Betamax... and blu-ray is like VHS... if we're going with that analogy.

And the resolution that Blu-Ray (or any other hi-def format) media is stored in is 1080p, not 1024.

You guys are obviously not computer guys, so stop beating up on Microsoft. You can't just add a blue ray drive in a laptop or Head unit and expect it to play Blue ray movies. Try lookup video decoding processors, HDCP, or even DRM. Second Vista is not that bad, the only people I know that really have problems with vista are people who don't have vista, or people who don't know that much about computers, or your computer is in need of upgrading. And if you are complaining of that printer or scanner that doesn't work anymore then I would ask you whose responsibility is it to put drivers out for those devices (that's what I thought). If you want to compare the new F-series to anything let’s compare it to Windows ME, for all you people who were scared of the Y2K bug (remember that, a whole lot of people cashed in on that bull Sh@!). I'm sorry if I'm bitching but sometimes I have to listen to people who don't really know what they are talking about. And finally to get any real benefit of HD (1080p or i) resolution you would need a native resolution of 1920 x 1080. I welcome any counter arguments. Me personally I’m going to wait for pioneer to fix the problems and then this will be the last pioneer Head Unit that I buy. As far as you Microsoft haters get a PS3, Mac, and whatever else you can thinks of but consider this Microsoft revolutionized the console industry blurring the lines between game console and PC which caused Sony to step their game up (I’m not going to get into the argument of which system is better), and they put a computer in every home, and regardless of whatever you say that is a truth, Thank you Bill, we are going to miss you.

And the resolution that Blu-Ray (or any other hi-def format) media is stored in is 1080p, not 1024.

Your correct, my miss type. Too many years of binary.

Second Vista is not that bad, the only people I know that really have problems with vista are people who don't have vista, or people who don't know that much about computers, or your computer is in need of upgrading.

And that just happens to be 90% of the home computer market. The idea that you would claim that vista is not that bad because you know how to "fight" the OS to keep it working doesn't mean that most of the people using any computer know as much and there for cant keep the damn thing working properly. Vista is a joke, period. That is why more people are going back to XP or even better, for the first time in their lives, are buying Mac's. And Apple is selling more Mac's every year then ever before. Sure it will be a very long time before they take a significant share of the personal computer market but it is coming. Just as they are forcing a change in the phone/PDA market in a faster time period then any other company ever has before.

the now defunked HD-DVD that came in the brown cases doesn't count, since it played the VHS part this time and it lost

I'd say HD-DVD was more like Betamax... and blu-ray is like VHS... if we're going with that analogy.

I was going more for the Sony Betamax which was the better format loosing to VHS which was a lesser format. The trick then was Sony came out at 1.5Hrs a tape and VHS being a smaller media could fit 2Hrs in a cassette. One VHS, one movie. Then upped the vewing time by slowing the tape speed, loosing more quality. This time Sony used better format and lots of content and money.

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You guys are obviously not computer guys

Sorry to name drop but I worked on the first 8080 through Intel® Coreâ„¢2 Quad PC and Servers.

You can't just add a blue ray drive in a laptop or Head unit and expect it to play Blue ray movies. Try lookup video decoding processors, HDCP, or even DRM.

I memtioned that in one of my posts. But to use your statment, you can't add a DVD drive to a PC or Laptop and just play movies. That takes the same type hardware, firmware, and software.

So stop beating up on Microsoft.

Kinda taking it personal. In or out of the industry, Microsoft bashing is everyones right. I think it's the 3.11 amendment.

Thank you Bill, we are going to miss you

Not as much as we do Andy

Funny how the topic switched from the guy selling his avic to blu-ray vs hd-dvd.

I have Vista on 2 machines, and I don't have any problems. I know quite a bit about computers, and I haven't had any problems with Vista. I've never had to "fight" to get it working. I have a laptop that came with Vista, and I installed Vista from an OEM disk. Both computers run fine. The only problem I have with my computer comes from dust in my case, my very old & slow video card not keeping up with the games I play, and my wireless net connection dropping connection from time to time. None of my problems with my computer can be attributed to Vista. Each machine runs on average for 2-3 weeks before being rebooted.

I also find it annoying how people like to beat up Microsoft every chance they get. Yes, Microsoft deserves some of it, but people's vehemence tends to out weigh reality.

edit: on a side note, I actually do think I'm getting less spyware on my main comp than when it was running XP. Could be just Spybot getting better or it could be Vista helping out.