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Is June 2006 safe bet or not?

By drober30 · Aug 21, 2006in Hacks/Mods💬 27 posts👁️ 5,475 views
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Posted Aug 21, 2006 · 14:19 UTC#1
I was thinking on picking up another unit and the ones they have are June 2006.

Has anybody had a problem with a June model and the bypass?

I wont be installing it for a few months (actually having it installed) until my lease is up.

I don’t want to waste 2k on a unit that cant be bypassed.

Thanks!
Posted Aug 21, 2006 · 14:51 UTC#2
From everything we've seen, the new "fixed" units weren't produced until July.
Posted Aug 21, 2006 · 15:04 UTC#3
03Aviator said:
From everything we've seen, the new "fixed" units weren't produced until July.


I thought so but I was wondering if anybody had a June date that gave them problems. Could of been the last units off the line in June?
Posted Aug 21, 2006 · 15:07 UTC#4
There was one report of the bypass not working on a June 06 unit. This could have been an installer error, or something. Also there was one report of a July 06 where it did work. I don't know if there is a clear line or a "safe" month until you go back to May. May is safe. June is a good chance, July is a bad chance, and Aug is no chance.... at least so far.
Posted Aug 21, 2006 · 17:01 UTC#5
ducatiboy said:
There was one report of the bypass not working on a June 06 unit. This could have been an installer error, or something. Also there was one report of a July 06 where it did work. I don't know if there is a clear line or a "safe" month until you go back to May. May is safe. June is a good chance, July is a bad chance, and Aug is no chance.... at least so far.


Is there any way to "bench test" a unit. Or is the motion/speed sensor what must be tested while the vehicle is moving?
Posted Aug 21, 2006 · 17:08 UTC#6
drober30 said:
ducatiboy said:
There was one report of the bypass not working on a June 06 unit. This could have been an installer error, or something. Also there was one report of a July 06 where it did work. I don't know if there is a clear line or a "safe" month until you go back to May. May is safe. June is a good chance, July is a bad chance, and Aug is no chance.... at least so far.


Is there any way to "bench test" a unit. Or is the motion/speed sensor what must be tested while the vehicle is moving?


I believe the main trigger is the parking brake wire connection. So, doing a bench test should work. From my understanding, the internal motion sensors kick in if they detect motion with the parking brake disengaged. The DB bybass/flash bypass disable the sensors from locking the Z1 while in motion. With the bench test, just ground the parking brake wire and that should tell you if the DB circuit works. I'm sure Steve can elaborate on this if I am incorrect.
Posted Aug 21, 2006 · 17:35 UTC#7
drober30 said:
Is there any way to "bench test" a unit. Or is the motion/speed sensor what must be tested while the vehicle is moving?


You do not have to be moving or have the Z1 installed in a vehicle to see if it's one of the "good" (old) ones.

To bench test that the flasher will work (either manually or with my circuit).

Do NOT connect the parking brake sense wire to anything. Connect black to ground, red and yellow to 12 volts and when the unit boots up touch the orange/white wire to the 12v and remove it. Do it a few times, when you boot up, this will simulate the flashing of the headlights. Make sure you do this "flashing" at the right times, there is a sweet spot about 5 seconds after the unit receives 12V and before 8 seconds.

If the parking brake wire is NOT grounded, and you do this, then hit MENU (if you see the disclaimer hit OK and hit MENU again) look for the ADDRESS SEARCH and POI SEARCH buttons. If they are available then that unit will work with the flasher. If they are NOT available (they are grayed out) then that unit will NOT work (no bypass yet for this).
Posted Aug 21, 2006 · 18:02 UTC#8
ducatiboy said:
drober30 said:
Is there any way to "bench test" a unit. Or is the motion/speed sensor what must be tested while the vehicle is moving?


You do not have to be moving or have the Z1 installed in a vehicle to see if it's one of the "good" (old) ones.

To bench test that the flasher will work (either manually or with my circuit).

Do NOT connect the parking brake sense wire to anything. Connect black to ground, red and yellow to 12 volts and when the unit boots up touch the orange/white wire to the 12v and remove it. Do it a few times, when you boot up, this will simulate the flashing of the headlights. Make sure you do this "flashing" at the right times, there is a sweet spot about 5 seconds after the unit receives 12V and before 8 seconds.

If the parking brake wire is NOT grounded, and you do this, then hit MENU (if you see the disclaimer hit OK and hit MENU again) look for the ADDRESS SEARCH and POI SEARCH buttons. If they are available then that unit will work with the flasher. If they are NOT available (they are grayed out) then that unit will NOT work (no bypass yet for this).


Thanks for the info!!!

I don't have any experience in installing a car radio but I have confidence that I can follow your straight forward instructions.

Question: Can I twist the yellow/red together and run straight to my positive post on the car battery? The ground straight to the negative post on my car battery? Then tap the orange/white wire to my positive post on the car battery? Is going straight to the car battery 12V?

If so that’s pretty easy.
Posted Aug 21, 2006 · 18:35 UTC#9
I just had a June 2006 AVIC-Z1 installed this past Saturday and Ducatiboy's flasher worked as advertised. I couldn't be happier. My only problem is with my XM satellite radio with NavTraffic, and I don't think the flasher device had anything to do with that. It keeps telling me to check the antenna. The antenna has been checked and is connected.Everything else about the AVIC-Z1 works beautifully. I just wish I could get my satellite radio to work so I could see how that looks and sounds, as well as use the traffic features on my AVIC-Z1 too.
Posted Aug 21, 2006 · 19:20 UTC#10
drober30 said:

Thanks for the info!!!

I don't have any experience in installing a car radio but I have confidence that I can follow your straight forward instructions.

Question: Can I twist the yellow/red together and run straight to my positive post on the car battery? The ground straight to the negative post on my car battery? Then tap the orange/white wire to my positive post on the car battery? Is going straight to the car battery 12V?

If so that’s pretty easy.


Basically yes, but the Z1 is going to draw 2 amps when it's running, that will create quite a "spark" when it's powered up.

It's a little difficult to test on the bench, but yes you can.

I would connect the black to - terminal (ground). Then connect the yellow to +12V. When you connect the red to 12V it will draw the 2 amps through the yellow wire (which is already connected), which is why I would have it connected first. But yes, you can then touch the orange/white wire to the positive terminal to simulate the lights turning on and off. Very little current goes through the red or orange/white wires.

Doing something like this can be dangerous and can possibly lead to a fried Z1, if you don't know what you are doing or don't feel comfortable then please let a professional try this. (disclaimer off)
Posted Aug 22, 2006 · 00:17 UTC#11
rapayn1 said:
I just had a June 2006 AVIC-Z1 installed this past Saturday and Ducatiboy's flasher worked as advertised. I couldn't be happier. My only problem is with my XM satellite radio with NavTraffic, and I don't think the flasher device had anything to do with that. It keeps telling me to check the antenna. The antenna has been checked and is connected.Everything else about the AVIC-Z1 works beautifully. I just wish I could get my satellite radio to work so I could see how that looks and sounds, as well as use the traffic features on my AVIC-Z1 too.


Did you install it yourself? If not have the installer check the antenna (he could just connect another antenna to the Z1 and run the wire out the window temporarily to see if you get a signal). It sounds like either a bad antenna or the antenna wire got kinked somewhere. The micro coax is pretty fragile; a kink or bend in the antenna wire could cause it to short internally.
Posted Aug 22, 2006 · 00:31 UTC#12
I had an installer do the work. He thinks the unit may be defective. The problem is I bought the unit from Crutchfield. So, in order to send it back and get an RMA, I have to have them take the unit out and then wait X number of days to have Crutchfield receive my unit and send me another one. I would probably just opt to have the installer sell me the unit and that way if there is a defect, it can be replaced instantly. The thing that is weird is that the AVIC-Z1 recognizes that there is an XM radio connected. It just keeps saying check antenna and the antenna is connected and plugged in.
Posted Aug 22, 2006 · 01:04 UTC#13
rapayn1 said:
I had an installer do the work. He thinks the unit may be defective. The problem is I bought the unit from Crutchfield. So, in order to send it back and get an RMA, I have to have them take the unit out and then wait X number of days to have Crutchfield receive my unit and send me another one. I would probably just opt to have the installer sell me the unit and that way if there is a defect, it can be replaced instantly. The thing that is weird is that the AVIC-Z1 recognizes that there is an XM radio connected. It just keeps saying check antenna and the antenna is connected and plugged in.


If the installer can sell you the unit then he must have an antenna he can plug in to test. If the Z1 recognizes the XM but reports a bad antenna I would bet money the antenna wire is damaged. No need to send it back to Crutchfield and wait for a replacement. Have them try another antenna.
Posted Aug 22, 2006 · 01:07 UTC#14
I will do/try that. I plan on going back there on Saturday to get my Viper 5900 installed. Thanks for writing.
Posted Aug 22, 2006 · 02:23 UTC#15
Well I lucked out and picked up one with a date of April. Now I dont have to worry about testing.
Posted Aug 22, 2006 · 08:00 UTC#16
Great drober30!
Posted Aug 22, 2006 · 17:28 UTC#17
So, my April '06 model is being installed today. Do I need to worry that a software update will create the problem of not being able to bypass? Or is this a hardware issue on the July and later units?
Posted Aug 22, 2006 · 17:42 UTC#18
branas said:
So, my April '06 model is being installed today. Do I need to worry that a software update will create the problem of not being able to bypass? Or is this a hardware issue on the July and later units?


I would be worried. Some people may disagree. But we don't know for 100% what can and can not effect the bypass.
Posted Aug 22, 2006 · 18:43 UTC#19
I should be ok to update the gracenote db though, do you think?
Posted Aug 22, 2006 · 18:49 UTC#20
branas said:
I should be ok to update the gracenote db though, do you think?

No worries there, updating the gracenote db affects nothing
Posted Aug 23, 2006 · 01:54 UTC#21
branas said:
So, my April '06 model is being installed today. Do I need to worry that a software update will create the problem of not being able to bypass? Or is this a hardware issue on the July and later units?


I can promise Pioneer that I will not buy their software update until it has been determined that the bypass will be left alone.

I left years of loyalty with Alpine to buy Two of these AVIC Z1's but would consider them worthless if I cant do a POI or address search while rolling. That’s just how I feel...
Posted Aug 23, 2006 · 02:00 UTC#22
drober30 said:
I can promise Pioneer that I will not buy their software update until it has been determined that the bypass will be left alone.


I don't believe they will be selling the update. I think it will be a free update from the web site. And yes, I wouldn't want to ruin the bypass either.
Posted Aug 23, 2006 · 16:37 UTC#23
hey everyone. new to the forum but over the weekend purchased two z1's and started playing with them. the light flash doesnt work so i dont think the bypass will. The production dates are July 2006. i did notice that if you ground the parking brake, cut the VSS that the DVD will play until it picks up from the GPS that your moving. After that if you put the VSS wire on for a split second and disconnect, the DVD will start playing for another 10 minutes. meanwhile at least all of the POI and everything else works as well. Hopefully Ducatiboy can help me out further for my trip tomorrow...
Posted Aug 23, 2006 · 17:33 UTC#24
ducatiboy said:
drober30 said:
I can promise Pioneer that I will not buy their software update until it has been determined that the bypass will be left alone.


I don't believe they will be selling the update. I think it will be a free update from the web site. And yes, I wouldn't want to ruin the bypass either.


Interesting, Alpine sells all there updated maps and features for $300 a pop. I purchased when it was a major version change not a minor one.

Also, Alpine use to give you a free upgrade to a minor change after you bought the unit if your unit did not come with the latest version. If it was a complete version change than it cost you $300.00
Posted Aug 23, 2006 · 17:36 UTC#25
chadillac17 said:
Hopefully Ducatiboy can help me out further for my trip tomorrow...


For tomorrow? Don't count on it. I do have a life outside of Z1's :) I'm working on it. I hope to try some of my theories and ideas over the next few days or so (depending on how much sunny motorcycle weather we get... the less of that, the more Z1 work... and you guys... stop praying for rain). :D
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