All:

Here's a cost comparison of map update prices from the manufacturer's web sites.:

Garmin Nuvi 2008 North America Map Update For most Nuvi's: $60

Tom Tom Map of North America Update 7.25: $100

Magellan 2008/2009 North America Map Update: $80

Pioneer's seemingly(?) overpriced AVIC Update: $120

As you can see, Pioneer's North America map update DVD costs twice as much as Garmin's, 50% more than Magellan's, and 25% more than Tom Tom's.

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The Alpine one for the Blackbird is about $70. Rumor has it that the Eclipse updates are MORE expensive than all of these, but I've been unable to verify that for sure...

You have not owned a AVIC unit for a long time now. This should be no concern of yours. As said before, go away troll!

lmao

Just FYI, I bought my wife a Tom Tom about a year ago, maybe more, and the map updates are FREE, as often as we want still FREE. Just thowing it out there...

thats whats up kdoll36

Troll--How come you don't include the prices for the other in-car companies?

Alpine is almost twice as much and Eclipse is almost three times as much as Pioneer. Quit bitching. You're the guy that said an update would NEVER come out, and now you're bitter that it actually did

You are what makes this worse; you guys have no idea how Poineer is getting shafted...

You see NavTeq the makers of the charges almost double for the maps becuase you have an installed unit.

Try doing your research and compair apples to apples....

Portable hand help unit maps cost hardly anything compaired to these install pieces.

So look at Eclipse, kenwood, Alpine, navteq and Tele Atlis and see what prices you get.... You need to look at installed unit.

There was a day when map supdate cost over $500... the prices have come way don over the last 12 years....

There was a day when map supdate cost over $500... the prices have come way don over the last 12 years....

Last year Pioneer was $250, and this year they are only charging $120...

Simple answer. Sell the unit, buy the update or drive around with an out-of-date map. Its $120 bucks not $10,000 if its gonna take you 2 months to recoop your bank account dont buy it!

What's funny is that my friend has that updated Garmin and both my girlfriend and I have the new updated discs. She has the D3 and I have the D2, and both of us were laughing at him because like you, he bragged so much about the costs of Pioneer's updated discs compared to his Garmin.

We went to a mutual birthday party this past weekend, and the road where the houseparty was located didn't exist on his "new" disc, so he had to call my girlfriend and get directions on how to get there because he knew I'd give him hell. By the way, this particular road has been paved for two years, and was on last year's updated Pioneer disc.

You've stepped up your game astrobill... you usually just troll topics that already exist... now you're making your own. Congratulations.

Calm down....All I did was post a list of cost comparisons....and what comes back? Insane flaming madman posts! lol Take some 'ludes, dudes.

Secondly, if you all think the updates are so cheap, why is everyone on this site apparently downloading illegal images of the update disks and making and selling copies? Either you are all correct, and it's cheap, and you should all buy legal copies at $120 a shot from Pioneer...OR....you should all admit these are too expensive and then continue making your illegal pirated copies

For "Camel Towing":

Alpine's updates for the Blackbird nav system, directly from their web site:

Alpine PVD-B102 Software Update DVD Version 2.0 For Blackbird

U.S. $70.00

Edit:

And many Alpine units are being advertised as coming with the 2009 update free from the retailer. What are YOU claiming the Alpine updates cost?

Seriously, why? You do not own a Pioneer indash nav! Why are you complaining to Teleatlas about Pioneer? Do you not get enough attention in life or something?

I got rid of my blackbird 2 nav system, between the cost of head unit and the portable unit at the time, it was almost double the pioneer d3, you can add that to your cost comparison.

dont really care, my d3 works fine, I downloaded the update from the avic411 site and burned my update disc.

for me the d3 sounded better, the ipod controlls function better, xm display looks better, and the bluetooth phone functionality is better. Plus I like the fact that it has a volume control knob.

astrobill just doesnt seem to have anything better to do with his/her time, that is what trolls do. Doubt they have a forum for the walmart equipment he owns so he just comes here to try to make himself feel valuable by playing monday morning quarterback. It is one of the drawbacks of having everyone connected on the internet. oh well, best way to fight that is to ignore him and be happy. cheers.

By the way, unlike ANY of you, I've actually e-mailed back and forth with the TeleAtlas company account manager who manages Pioneer's account about the effort. I know much more than any of you about when Pioneer ordered their data, what was involved in creating the disks, and how it compares to all the other companies' required effort to create map updates.

what a loser. First, I doubt this is true, secondly, what kind of a loser called a "company manager" about another companies production proceedures for a map disc to a gps unit he doesnt even own?

Then tries to brag about it online

"I know much more than any of you about when Pioneer ordered their data, what was involved in creating the disks, and how it compares to all the other companies' required effort to create map "

What's next? geez this guy/girl must have no friends whatsoever. oh, I left out the part about how he has better logic than everyone here, but I think that point was made. good luck buddy, it's lonely in outer space.

sorry, I dont usually flame anyone but when I read the guy doesnt even own a d3 I just had to.

Alpine's updates for the Blackbird nav system, directly form their web site:

 

Apline PVD-B102 Software Update DVD Version 2.0 For Blackbird

U.S. $70.00

That is a portable navigation unit. How much is the update for one of the major manufacturer's IN DASH navigation units like the D3? You cannot compare apples to oranges and then bring logic into the conversation.

you cant even compare that because the kenwood updates are 54-69 dollars . there are to many differences in the companies and their products because of all the different software they are using.

Here in Los Angeles, a lot of newly built roads from 2 years ago which were not in the 70mt have now been included in the 80mt version. Hence, it is "updated".

axxman: DAMMIT....stop sending me private messages on here asking for gay sex...sorry, but I'm not gay. Maybe you should try HiFi??

Seriously....the IM's have to stop...

;o)

axxman: DAMMIT....stop sending me private messages on here asking for gay sex...sorry, but I'm not gay. Maybe you should try HiFi??

 

Seriously....the IM's have to stop...

 

;o)

that is not me, that is your manager friend at teleatlas. wow you are so clever.

He probably has some more map update information he wants to give you, but it requires a local connection. I guess you do know more than anyone about this stuff and I think I know how you got it. oh well, at least you have made a friend.

Question repeats:

If you all think the updates are so cheap, why is everyone on this site apparently downloading illegal images of the update disks and making and selling copies? Either you are all correct, and it's cheap, and you should all buy legal copies at $120 a shot from Pioneer...OR....you should all admit these are too expensive and then continue making your illegal pirated copies.

Flame all you want, but I have yet to see anyone answer this very simple question.

It's not the cost that drives people to download it... It's Pioneer's availability. We order and it takes forever to ship...

No matter what the price, if people can get something for free, why not? The updates could be $20 or $500, doesn't matter if you can obtain it free.

You haven't answered my question yet, why do you fight and argue with people on here, pioneer and teleatlas when you don't own a Pioneer Avic deck? What does it matter so much to you?

I'm getting the impression you really do not have no life and just like to find drama on the internet, or you are a complete liar and did not sell your D3 last spring.

For those curious, just search all posts here on Astrobill, they are all the same trolling.

By the way, here are the manufacturers you conveinently left out, actual indash nav systems:

Eclipse $329 (dvd upgrade)

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Ua1cizyh1Y ... =099MDV78D

Kenwood $69.99 (direct from garmin, download)

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=15528

JVC $99.99 (download directly from teleatlas)

http://www.navigation.com/is-bin/INTERS ... EbYmNyzI.d

I couldn't find anything on Jensen/Audiovox.

Imagine the situation here in Greece, where pioneer's cndv-800hd upgrade dvd for either the AVIC-HD1BT or AVIC-HD3BT came out 4 days ago at THE ridiculous price of 250 euros (~185 usd).

Well, there is an online shop in Holland that sells it for 209 euros.

Anyway, if I only had the possibilty to buy from Garret the updated HDD, both for security reasons and updated maps. But , I guess he's only dealing with maps in the States and Canada and not the European version.