We (PAC) are trying to get feedback on the incompatibility issues right now.WE know it not to be 100% compatible at this time, meaning it will not do the presets. We are hearing that it does work.Im assuming the people that say it does work, their cars arent equipt with presets on the steering wheel.

If you having problems please let me know the vehicle year and what its not doing.

FYI, we are releasing a new revision, sometime after CES, so i suggest not buying the new SWI-PS till then if you are having problems.The piece will also retain factory bluetooth if equipt.

Mario

Sales/Techinical

I can not get the presets to work as well. Also, when I programmed one of the steering-wheel buttons to "Mute", I would get intermittent muting with no discernible pattern. It would occur while turning, driving straight, even stopped at a red light.

Another annoyance is the lag between pressing a steering wheel button and the actual command being performed bu the HU.

2004 GMC Envoy XL

Pioneer AVIC F90BT

Wheel: Legagy GT Momo w/ 6 buttons (different resistance per button press)

Button	Programmed As	Result
Source	Source		Works
Up	Seek Up		Works
Down	Seek Down	Works
Up	Preset Up	Fail
Down	Preset Down	Fail
Vol Up	Volume Up	Pass
Vol Dwn	Volume Down	Pass
Mute	Mute		Pass (Attenuate toggle)

Additional info:

• Pressing and holding Source changes audio source to off.
  Pressing and holding Up/Down seeks up/down on the tuner and fast-forwards/backwards on the iPod.
  Pressing and holding volume up/down increases volume up/down several steps.

Would have loved preset up/down instead of seek, since the radio interface on this HU (FM and HD) sucks so badly.

a quick button for voice control would be nice as well...

i'm really glad someone else has issues with the PAC. I thought I might have been the only one since i didn't see any threads on it.

And I'm really glad the manufacturer stepped up to the plate. Good stuff.

I have 2 issues:

1.) as mentioned above, I have lag when pressing the button and the command being executed. sometimes the lag isn't that bad. other times it can take a few seconds.

2.) in addition to the lag, when the command is finally executed, the AVIC responds like i pressed the button a bunch of times when I've only pressed it maybe a couple times. I think this could be due to it thinking i've held it down? i dunno. but very annoying when i've pressed once to skip a track on my ipod. then press it again a couple seconds later to make sure it got the command, only to make the song in fast forward continuously. then i have to physically use the button on the AVIC to skip to the next track.

hope this helps a little to debug issues people are having

The preset channel up/down is my only complaint, sure would be nice. I got way too used to that function with the D series.

My one compliment would be the much improved response rate tot he pac unit with the 2.0 update, prior to that even with the D series it was extremely laggy response.

I'm using vol up, vol down, mute and source. Only mute doesn't work consistently. Sometimes it mutes, sometimes not. It seems to unmute OK though.

Thanks for all the feedback. Im trying to compile a list of repetative issues so my engineering department knows whats working and whats not.

As far as the delay, that is the nature of the part becasue we are converting the data from the button to a useable input to the radio.My suggestion is to press the button and hold for at least 1 second.I know this is not how the factory control worked, but its the only way.All products on the market will work the same, since we private label with iot being our patent.

We already know of the presets not working and being intermittent, is there anything else you guys are experiencing???

Mario

1pacman,

Thanks for the presence here. I'm glad to see a manufacturer taking an official interest in their product support.

Regarding the delay (at least in my case) the delay with the 90BT is much more pronounced than what was on my D3.

agreed the delay makes it unusable...

Unfortunately, i have some bad news.We just got word that Pioneer, is NOT going to change the way their input works, meaning that the presets will not work,period.

The only change between the current SWI-PS and the soon to be released SWI-PS is going to be the addition of Pioneer Bluetooth commands for answer call, end call and phone status.

Sorry guys, we tried.

Thanks for checking!

Mario,

For those of us who currently own the SWI-PS, will there be a firmware upgrade we could flash or send the part in to be programmed to the latest? I'd like the ability to program my wheel's mute button to answer call instead. Main reason is so I don't have to take the hands off the wheel to answer a call, especially if the 2.0 firmware decides not to display the dialog on the first incoming call...

Thanks!

unfortunately, there is no "upgrade" or "reprogrammng" available.This is not my decision, so dont flame me

I would say, for those that have a "defective" unit and bought through a reputable dealer and not some ebay whorehouse, they should return it for a replacement, thats just what i'd do.

anybody understand that

My altima works 100% of the time, however, there is a significant amount of time I have to hold the steering wheel button down before the unit responds. I accepted this as first, but now it seems like its a f'ed up interface.

preset up/down doesnt work either.

One main problem for me:

When I hold down Vol Up or Vol Down even very briefly (more than just a tap), volume will go ALL the way up or down. If I just tap Vol Up or Vol Down, I can get the volume to change 1 unit at a time.

Otherwise, Seek Up, Seek Down and Mute/Unmute all work fine...

EDIT: Deleting key beep sound files MUCH improved volume control response!

AZFlyingDiver, I will try deleting the key beep files to see if i get can the same results, since i have the same avic installed in the same car as you.

AZFlyingDiver, I will try deleting the key beep files to see if i get can the same results, since i have the same avic installed in the same car as you.

Did you have the same problem with the PAC? It'd be good to know if this is a common thing (even better if this turns out to be a good fix)...

Good luck!

(E46's FTW!)

Did you have the same problem with the PAC? It'd be good to know if this is a common thing (even better if this turns out to be a good fix)

Yeah I was having the same issues. I posted them on the first page about the 5th post down.

I haven't found any time to delete the files yet. I'll try sometime this week.

i have the pac swips installed in my mazda 3 with the f900bt and everything works flawlessly although i did have to saughter the connections for the pac because splicing the wires was giving me issues when the climate got cold. The only issue i have with the pac module is the fact that when it comes to the radio it does not let me go to the next preset radio station it rather scans through them. but if i go to ipod it changes songs. If i hold down in ipod or sd mode it fast forwards the song like stock setup. If i program the pac differently then the radio presets will work fine but i wont be able to change the song in ipod/sd mode. I have had the Pioneer d3 and the pioneer N2 and it was the same thing. My frind has the civic si 06 with a pioneer d3 and a pac module and it does the same with the radio

I have the Logitech Harmony 880 tv remote and it has empty button slots that you can program any button functionality into that is not a stock option.

Are you looking into this same feature with the updated PAC harness?

Because some of my steering wheel buttons have "vol up" and "vol dwn" inherently for volume controls, but some just have symbols. It would be awesome to cross program any function into those.

And yes, keep the sensitivity in mind.

Before I bought my PAC I thought that's how it worked (hoped anyway), but after installation I was running a top of the line HU with a relic steering wheel controller. The 2 just didn't match...

i would get a remote for the avic, but the avic has no infrared built in. so it's physically not possible. but i wish pioneer gave the option. it would make it way easier for for passenger deejays aka technically challenged hot chicks to control the stereo.

i would get a remote for ........... hot chicks to control the stereo.

I was refering to the learning features of the remote to an idea for the future updated capibilities for the PAC.

But, I do know what you are saying... Thanks for the knowledge bomb!

Thanks for the post 1PACMAN, I've been pulling my hair out, I thought I must have installed or programmed the unit incorrectly. I re-programmed it 4 or 5 times, all with the same result. Here's the installation details.

- 2006 Ford Expedition.

- Pioneer AVIC-F90BT.

- Front controls install (white wire, version 3).

I have a couple of issues/frustrations to report:

1. It works intermittently, although it doesn't work more than it does. It seems to function OK just after I program it, but then it plain stops working again. I never know what I'll get each time I turn the engine on. The volume up/down is worse than the source/band selectors. Sometimes volume up will work but volume down will not. Sometimes volume won't work, I'll press the source button (successfully), then volume works again. Generally, source and preset work more often than volume.

2. As others have noted, the delay between a button press and the command being recognized at the head unit is irritating, especially when I'm not sure if the unit got the command or not (because of the intermittent issue). Before I know it, the speakers are blasting out, and volume down doesn't work!

3. I guess this may be the nature of the Expedition, but I can't have both the front and rear controls working, I have to choose which of them to hook the unit into. I can't even have two SWI-PS modules (one programmed for the front and another for the rear), because there's only one wired remote input at the head unit.

Should I return the unit to the dealer that I bought it from and eat the shipping and restocking charges? Do you have any updates as to whether there are plans for a more reliable version?

By the way, I called PAC this morning and was told that there are no known compatibility issues with the F90BT. I appreciate your post, it would probably be helpful to relay this information on to other callers.

hey guys i was wondering since, im installing the F90bt on a W203 mercedes, would i need both Swi-ps and swi-can ? thanks for the heads up!