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Update pioneer f700bt USA 2.00010 to 2.00050 Eu, Done!!

By julioda · Apr 29, 2009in Hacks/Mods💬 37 posts👁️ 12,292 views
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Posted Apr 29, 2009 · 22:36 UTC#1

Google translator

 

 

Hello friends, I upgrade my browser pioneer model f700bt USA version to version 2.00010 and 2.00050 EUROPE

I have not had any problems. Now I notice that is faster by pressing the menu, in fact I have not noticed any difference and working perfectly.

 

I am not responsible for any damage you may cause to your equipment

Posted Apr 29, 2009 · 23:00 UTC#2
Google translator

 

 

Hello friends, I upgrade my browser pioneer model f700bt USA version to version 2.00010 and 2.00050 EUROPE

I have not had any problems. Now I notice that is faster by pressing the menu, in fact I have not noticed any difference and working perfectly.

 

I am not responsible for any damage you may cause to your equipment

 

do you have any mods before installing the update?

Posted Apr 30, 2009 · 07:04 UTC#3

Is your voice control still functioning after firmware update?

Posted Apr 30, 2009 · 11:37 UTC#4

yes, it is deleted, you must save your igo folder and put back.

Posted Apr 30, 2009 · 11:41 UTC#5
Is your voice control still functioning after firmware update?

 

voice recognition in single anointing English language, if you take it in the English language I do not think we changed anything and continue to function perfectly

 

I had thought to change the radio emisors changed as European: 92.2, 92.4, 92.6 but is still in American mode, 92.1, 92.3

 

pd: traductor google

Posted Apr 30, 2009 · 12:32 UTC#6
I had thought to change the radio emisors changed as European: 92.2, 92.4, 92.6 but is still in American mode, 92.1, 92.3

 

pd: traductor google

 

Of course, it's been determined that this, together with RDS/TMC, is a hardware issue, and cannot be fixed by software....

 

(European is 92.1, 92.2, 92.3 etc. b.t.w. )

Posted May 06, 2009 · 09:04 UTC#7

HI, Could you explain step by step how have you done it??? Regards

Posted May 06, 2009 · 16:52 UTC#8

I would like to see some pics if you could. When you say noticed faster response, are we talking a slight difference or big difference. Thanks in advance.

Posted May 06, 2009 · 17:20 UTC#9

Do you know any hardware we can buy to do this???????????

 

 

Of course, it's been determined that this, together with RDS/TMC, is a hardware issue, and cannot be fixed by software....

 

(European is 92.1, 92.2, 92.3 etc. b.t.w. )

Posted May 06, 2009 · 20:02 UTC#10
Do you know any hardware we can buy to do this???????????

 

 

Nope, you'd have to either exchange major circuit boards in the unit, or exchange custom Pioneer integrated circuits.... Cheaper to buy the european version :wink:

Posted May 13, 2009 · 09:07 UTC#11

also i want ask questions.

 

i chanse Serial number of my UC AVIC-F90BT, from UC to RE (russia?)

(29xxxxxx to 2Axxxxxx)

after reboot - my FM start from 87.xx to 92.xx, with 0.05 step.

 

1) can anybody, with WinHex skill (and EW serial 2Cxxxxxx) can make copy flash from EW avic to me

(i mail detail instruction)

 

2) can anybody help me with calculate cheksum ? i think is last two bytes of this dump.

but few CRC16 algoritm don/t help me.

UC.0400: B18EC05E FFFFFFFF 20000000 FFFFFFFF
UC.0410: 00200310 000159B 00292008 0000AA0F
UC.0420: FFDFFCEF FF9FEA64 FFD6DFF7 FFFF55F0

 

photo from my acic f90bt

 

📎 avic_f90bt_fm1.jpg

Posted May 15, 2009 · 06:36 UTC#12
also i want ask questions.

 

i chanse Serial number of my UC AVIC-F90BT, from UC to RE (russia?)

(29xxxxxx to 2Axxxxxx)

after reboot - my FM start from 87.xx to 92.xx, with 0.05 step.

 

Carver, How Did you do this?

Posted May 17, 2009 · 22:17 UTC#13

Great job Carver.

 

Looks like you have enabled the RDS text display as well on your US version, goes to show that this problem looks like it's software rather than hardware (ie RDS, TMC etc)!

 

I have both a US & EW version F700bt and would like to experiment to see how i can change the US version to use the European FM/AM radio stepping & hopefully enable TMC too.

 

I have modded my US version 700 with a map display mod/extra buttons & now can see TMC control centre (displayed as center being US language) but doesn't try to tune to a station (generally 100.9mhz over in UK) find a fix for traffic details.

 

If you can give me instructions on what to do with both units to grab serial number or copy flash, i'll try & help you out.

Posted May 18, 2009 · 08:18 UTC#14
Great job Carver.

 

Looks like you have enabled the RDS text display as well on your US version, goes to show that this problem looks like it's software rather than hardware (ie RDS, TMC etc)!

 

I have both a US & EW version F700bt and would like to experiment to see how i can change the US version to use the European FM/AM radio stepping & hopefully enable TMC too.

 

I have modded my US version 700 with a map display mod/extra buttons & now can see TMC control centre (displayed as center being US language) but doesn't try to tune to a station (generally 100.9mhz over in UK) find a fix for traffic details.

 

If you can give me instructions on what to do with both units to grab serial number or copy flash, i'll try & help you out.

 

I wouldn't get my hopes up yet..... I'm sure you could/can enable the software/user interface, but if the hardware is not there (TMC/RDS), it's not going to work.... :?

The same applies for the frequency steps, just displaying it doesn't mean it's actually tuning to those frequencies...

Posted May 19, 2009 · 19:17 UTC#15

Maybe,

 

I am really tempted to open both devices up & having a look inside to compare the boards and see if there is any actual difference as a lot of people assume, speculate & claim (without proof) that either hardware is actually different and that it is not software. I suspect that any differences are all software driven (Just like your mobile phone/DVD player is locked to network/region etc) as it makes sense to keep R&D costs down & is done via a software switch/bootloader/serial number/WinCE Registry Key. There seems to be 4 different versions: UC, EW, RE & AU and would cost Pioneer far more to develop different versions of the same model of 500's, 700's, 900's, just wouldn't make sense at all to make 11 different models (inc 90bt & 7010bt).

 

I have heard that MSN direct (or directband (59-75khz) as the correct term) uses a very similar RDS (55-59khz) style of obtaining data but just running at a different frequency. Most popular channel for TMC in London & SE UK is Classic FM which is about 100.9. All of these fuctions use & require a radio receiver which both contain, so i don't see what hardware differences are required.

 

I would like to try changing the serial number on the UC version to a EW version & see if it makes any difference but need some info how/where do this before I have to resort to taking both devices apart.

Posted May 19, 2009 · 19:27 UTC#16
Maybe,

 

I am really tempted to open both devices up & having a look inside to compare the boards and see if there is any actual difference as a lot of people assume, speculate & claim (without proof) that either hardware is actually different and that it is not software.........

 

It's not speculation, it's simply looking at the service manuals..... :?

 

Also, it's fairly simple for Pioneer to do, as you can see from the service manual that they just use the same microcontroller in both units for the FM tuning, but with a different embedded program. This makes it possible to use exactly the same PCB's etc....

The RDS/TMC controller is just left out...

Posted May 19, 2009 · 20:34 UTC#17

Hey jwq,

 

You don't even have a F-Series device, do you?

 

"However, I have a HD3BT-II (=European version of Z3) myself"

 

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

What real page numbers on the service manual state any differences? the pages you have stated on another post do not tally ie page 117, page 187 doesn't even exist!!! TMC is only found in 4, yes only 4 different pages in the manual & have no references that any IC's are missing, or do Pioneer spell TMC differently?

 

Have you actually opened one up? No, i didn't think so.

 

All these negative nancys who try & claim they know all about the f-series & have no proof and speculating are not helping to unlock this device and seeing what else can be done with this, anyone who has customised their F-Series & shared (too many names to mention but you all know who you are) get mine & many other's thanks. :D

 

Anyone else with genuine proof that these boards are different?

 

carver, are you still around? Can you please explain how you changed the serial number to an RE version?

Posted May 19, 2009 · 20:52 UTC#18

What real page numbers on the service manual state any differences? the pages you have stated on another post do not tally ie page 117, page 187 doesn't even exist!!! TMC is only found in 4, yes only 4 different pages in the manual & have no references that any IC's are missing, or do Pioneer spell TMC differently?

....?

 

Numerous pages, actually, but if you f.i. look on page 24 (page number on the bottom of the actual manual page), you can see that there are 2 different versions of IC610, a microcontroller.....(PEG447A or PEG449)

You can find many more references to differences in the manual, if you search for "contrast tables"

 

(again, page 187 etc. exists, look at the page numbers on the bottom of the pages...)

 

I don't need to open up a unit to see there are actually different versions... :wink:

I develop microprocessor controled equipment for a living...

 

I'm honestly not trying to be negative, just trying to save you time, however, if you have the spare time, have fun.... :mrgreen:

 

P.S. I think all the software mods people do over here are great, honestly very impressive, however, I just think that with the FM and TMC you're flogging a dead horse.... :wink:

But I'll be happy to be proved wrong... :)

Posted May 19, 2009 · 21:08 UTC#19

Are there instructions for doing this update on a US unit? Has anyone else done it and feels the system is more responsive? So far i've only seen one person.

Posted May 19, 2009 · 21:52 UTC#20

I have just disassembled my US version & have removed the AV Board & right at the top is a table printed showing various models, table goes as follows:

 

EW | UC | J | CN | AU | RE

- - | --- | - - | - - | - - | - - | CD |

- - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - |DVD|

 

Funnily enough, as this is an F700bt US version, there is a resistor (or a bridge of some kind) soldered onto the UC/CD section, I wonder if i move this over to EW/CD, the unit will boot as a Euro F700bt? trouble is, this resistor is so f'ing small it's so hard to see what it is.

 

I have checked this with a multimeter & it shows as having no resistance so this must be just a bridge to give an ID to some CPU call of some kind.

 

To the left of this table, there is another table showing:

 

| UC | CWN |

|Hi out| 3648 |

| - - | DVD |

 

This must denote the F90bt which has the built-in pre-amp.

 

I don't have that much time & probably you're right about the TMC/RDS but if this at least gives me the correct FM/AM Spacing, then at least it's something & all is not lost. :)

 

BTW page 24 just gives me a block diagram, connection layout :?

 

Now, if I only had an f90bt or an f900bt board pics, then I could make comparisons & see what's missing or different.......

Posted May 20, 2009 · 18:03 UTC#22
I have just disassembled my US version & have removed the AV Board & right at the top is a table printed showing various models, table goes as follows:

 

EW | UC | J | CN | AU | RE

- - | --- | - - | - - | - - | - - | CD |

- - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - |DVD|

1) Thank you for the work.

 

this is precisely AV board? I totally forgot about the settings on the NAVI motherboard,

I clone aviÑ software, from UC to RE, but forgot about the resistors.

but my resistors at NAVI motherboard, not sure that they will help, although the taste is.

and no this at my board

To the left of this table, there is another table showing:

 

| UC | CWN |

|Hi out| 3648 |

| - - | DVD |

photo below.

 

Read in DiskRW tools,

but before you press Write in DiskRW tools, think about next shipping :mrgreen:

Posted May 20, 2009 · 18:09 UTC#23
I have just disassembled my US version & have removed the AV Board & right at the top is a table printed showing various models, table goes as follows:

 

EW | UC | J | CN | AU | RE

- - | --- | - - | - - | - - | - - | CD |

- - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - |DVD|

I remembered why not change these resistors, I have decided that the DVD region for lock DVD discs.

perhaps I was wrong, but I not solder it. sorry.

Posted May 20, 2009 · 23:45 UTC#24

I have tried changing the position of those resistors on my Av board it had no effect! If you look at the schematic in the service manual it shows those resisters as 0 ohms and they are simply connected from earth to earth. I think the purpose of them is purely an indicator to show that the particular AV or Navi board is set up for that particular region in software. in the case of the AV board it contains a micro processor (IC610) which has have it's own software load which will be hard to copy/modify.

 

The micro processor is part numbered PEG447A for US and PEG449A for AU (in the service manual) however these part numbers are only pioneer numbers given to those items the real part number is actually some thing like this M30876fjbgp I believe the only reason they have different part numbers is because they are loaded with different software.

 

A data sheet for this processor can be found here;

http://documentation.renesas.com/eng/pr ... 2c87ds.pdf

 

Carver,

Has reloading your Avic fixed the FM tuning steps? Or does it just display Ew frequency stepping? And has it changed your DVD region?

Posted May 21, 2009 · 01:04 UTC#25

Carver, What program did you use to open and edit the image files?

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