http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Accessories/NavigationUpgrades/CNSD-100FM

 

Apparently this map/FW update is going to cost $130, not $70.

Considering the current mods and the talents available among the AVIC411 community... what's stopping us from pulling the files off of the SD card and uploading them somewhere? I, for one, have a bit-for-bit "Floppy Copy" app at work that we use to transfer software licenses from computer to computer. I'm sure something more current could be used to duplicate the Pioneer SD cards. I mean... *some* of us, who shall remain nameless of course... have never paid for a map update... and this probably won't be any different. Thoughts?

Also, the Pioneer site just says it's a map upgrade... is this also the 3.0 firmware? (Is that what "PRD & Manual" means?)

***EDIT*** Oh, and by the way... FW 3.0 looks awesome. I'm anxious to hear if we can still mod this new FW, since Pioneer has taken over development, rather than the "3rd party" that f***ed it up the first (and second) time. I may ditch my mods for this update if I have to choose one or the other. Does anyone know if you can be on a bluetooth phonecall and still hear the GPS? The facts that the bluetooth phone popup is moved to the side and the MAP button works during a phonecall make me hopeful. Parrot really screwed up the bluetooth interaction. It's actually SAFER if you can hear the GPS prompts while on a phonecall, because otherwise... not only are you on the phone, but you're also constantly taking your eyes of the road at every intersection to see the screen and make sure you're not supposed to turn. It's craziness!

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Accessories/NavigationUpgrades/CNSD-100FM

 

Apparently this map/FW update is going to cost $130, not $70.

 

Considering the current mods and the talents available among the AVIC411 community... what's stopping us from pulling the files off of the SD card and uploading them somewhere? I, for one, have a bit-for-bit "Floppy Copy" app at work that we use to transfer software licenses from computer to computer. I'm sure something more current could be used to duplicate the Pioneer SD cards. I mean... *some* of us, who shall remain nameless of course... have never paid for a map update... and this probably won't be any different. Thoughts?

 

Also, the Pioneer site just says it's a map upgrade... is this also the 3.0 firmware? (Is that what "PRD & Manual" means?)

I hear ya. Trust me, I'm no stranger to Rapidshare, etc. I've never paid for map updates either. I always had the latest on my old Kenwood DNX8120. I actually have seen the european 3.0/map update floating around on a few sites. I was tempted to get it for the hell of it but don't want to ruin my unit. If that is any indicator for the US unit, then maybe we'll be good to go. I just wish they would release it already or I could somehow see if it was really worth it as I would like to know if I should just spring for the Z110 or not.

The 3.0 and map are together from what I can see on the F700 updates page: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Support/Navigation/In-Dash/ci.AVIC-F700BT.Support?tab=B

New unit looks great... wish they would have given the x910 4v preouts though.

Looks like I may have to get the Z series after all. My F700 has been on the fritz now for the last week. For example, I got in my car the other day, and out of NO WHERE, the brightness of the screen for both day and night modes somehow got set all the way down to zero. It looked like the backlight had died. Luckily, I just reset the brightness to 10 and has been ok since.

Then, today, the rear view camera somehow just enabled itself where the screen would go black every time I put the car into reverse (The unit thought I had a rear cam when I don't). I had to go in and disable to cam to get it to stop.

Then to top it off, tonight I updated the songs on my iPod from my PC, plugged the iPod in to the Avic, songs play just fine, but the option for iPod VR Catalog mode in AV Settings is completely GONE. Not greyed out, but completely MISSING! WTF! I can't even go into disable/enable VR cataloging since the button doesn't even exist anymore!

I haven't modded anything software wise on this unit in MONTHS, and even then it was only Navi mods, nothing to affect the core software. Nothing has changed. Right now, I'm kinda pissed that I may finally have had a well-working F with 3.0 and the week all this new great info comes out, the F700 decides to start acting up.

So if I buy the 3.0 it'll be the same thing as having bought the Xseries? (besides the apple chip and face.)

Is this 100% given by Pioneer or is this what people are expecting to happen?

 

Also, if the software bypass is done pre-3.0, does this mean that the bypass won't work after i install the 3.0?[/b]

And if we can't re-hack with the 3.0 then the only way would be hardware bypass right?

I'm just scared about the hardware bypass because I if something happens where i have to return the avic with the warranty will they accept it with a hardware bypass done to it? Or can i just send the unit itself without the cables?

So if I buy the 3.0 it'll be the same thing as having bought the Xseries? (besides the apple chip and face.)

Is this 100% given by Pioneer or is this what people are expecting to happen?

 

Also, if the software bypass is done pre-3.0, does this mean that the bypass won't work after i install the 3.0?[/b]

And if we can't re-hack with the 3.0 then the only way would be hardware bypass right?

I'm just scared about the hardware bypass because I if something happens where i have to return the avic with the warranty will they accept it with a hardware bypass done to it? Or can i just send the unit itself without the cables?

Hardware bypass is fine. If you need to return the unit, just move the wire back to the original position. Done!

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Accessories/NavigationUpgrades/CNSD-100FM

 

Apparently this map/FW update is going to cost $130, not $70.

Yep looks like it...

BUt the description confirms the softwareupdate!

Jason stated in the first post that the $70 would be an introductary price, I'm sure $130 will be the normal price thereafter.

So if I buy the 3.0 it'll be the same thing as having bought the Xseries? (besides the apple chip and face.)

Is this 100% given by Pioneer or is this what people are expecting to happen?

 

Also, if the software bypass is done pre-3.0, does this mean that the bypass won't work after i install the 3.0?[/b]

And if we can't re-hack with the 3.0 then the only way would be hardware bypass right?

I'm just scared about the hardware bypass because I if something happens where i have to return the avic with the warranty will they accept it with a hardware bypass done to it? Or can i just send the unit itself without the cables?

 

Hardware bypass is fine. If you need to return the unit, just move the wire back to the original position. Done!

what about the grounding? you cant undo that.

Also will the market price of the X match that of the current F90BT or will it probably 100$+ given the 3.0 thats installed in it. I mean if the 3.0 costs 130$ and the F now costs around 650$ then I'd expect the X to be around 750. right?

Jason - Do you have any information about any changes to the f-series bluetooth software?

Hello, I am new to site and thank you for all the helpful info.

I am looking into getting either the 90bt or the new 910BT. I am pretty simple when it comes to the functions that i need. BLuetooth, DVD, Sirius, and Ipod. If you were me would you just wait for the 910BT or get the 90BT now as they would serve the same purpose?

Hello, I am new to site and thank you for all the helpful info.

 

I am looking into getting either the 90bt or the new 910BT. I am pretty simple when it comes to the functions that i need. BLuetooth, DVD, Sirius, and Ipod. If you were me would you just wait for the 910BT or get the 90BT now as they would serve the same purpose?

Im kind of wondering the same thing. if the F90 is going to be the same as the X after the 3.0 then I might as well get the F90 now and wait for 3.0.

The only thing is the 3.0update is going to cost around 130 and I don't know if the X's price will be hiked 130$ more than the F's current $600 cost.

If it is then its equal so either way is fine, but if it ends up that the X costs the same as the F does now but including the 3.0 then i'll have wasted the money on an update for no reason.

Still waiting to see if anyone knows anything about the prices that will come out. A shop is going to check out my audio system tomorow, and i'll have to make the decision probably tomorrow night.

Hello, I am new to site and thank you for all the helpful info.

 

I am looking into getting either the 90bt or the new 910BT. I am pretty simple when it comes to the functions that i need. BLuetooth, DVD, Sirius, and Ipod. If you were me would you just wait for the 910BT or get the 90BT now as they would serve the same purpose?

 

Im kind of wondering the same thing. if the F90 is going to be the same as the X after the 3.0 then I might as well get the F90 now and wait for 3.0.

The only thing is the 3.0update is going to cost around 130 and I don't know if the X's price will be hiked 130$ more than the F's current $600 cost.

If it is then its equal so either way is fine, but if it ends up that the X costs the same as the F does now but including the 3.0 then i'll have wasted the money on an update for no reason.

Still waiting to see if anyone knows anything about the prices that will come out. A shop is going to check out my audio system tomorow, and i'll have to make the decision probably tomorrow night.

X models are likely to be sold much higher than current market price of F, which is low because of the rebate Pioneer was running as well as close-out specials both Pioneer and dealers were making. remains to be seen just what the X will be sold at, but I wouldn't count on big deals out of the gate.

Hello, I am new to site and thank you for all the helpful info.

 

I am looking into getting either the 90bt or the new 910BT. I am pretty simple when it comes to the functions that i need. BLuetooth, DVD, Sirius, and Ipod. If you were me would you just wait for the 910BT or get the 90BT now as they would serve the same purpose?

 

Im kind of wondering the same thing. if the F90 is going to be the same as the X after the 3.0 then I might as well get the F90 now and wait for 3.0.

The only thing is the 3.0update is going to cost around 130 and I don't know if the X's price will be hiked 130$ more than the F's current $600 cost.

If it is then its equal so either way is fine, but if it ends up that the X costs the same as the F does now but including the 3.0 then i'll have wasted the money on an update for no reason.

Still waiting to see if anyone knows anything about the prices that will come out. A shop is going to check out my audio system tomorow, and i'll have to make the decision probably tomorrow night.

 

X models are likely to be sold much higher than current market price of F, which is low because of the rebate Pioneer was running as well as close-out specials both Pioneer and dealers were making. remains to be seen just what the X will be sold at, but I wouldn't count on big deals out of the gate.

crutchfield has the new pio units up for preorder

http://www.crutchfield.com/g_182350/In- ... %7cPioneer

what about the grounding? you cant undo that.

Also will the market price of the X match that of the current F90BT or will it probably 100$+ given the 3.0 thats installed in it. I mean if the 3.0 costs 130$ and the F now costs around 650$ then I'd expect the X to be around 750. right?

Have you ever worked with wires before? Yes, of COURSE grounding can be undone. As long as you arent WELDING it to your frame... just screw down the bare wire connection to an existing screw on your frame, and voila. Easy on, Easy off.

Have you ever worked with wires before? Yes, of COURSE grounding can be undone. As long as you arent WELDING it to your frame... just screw down the bare wire connection to an existing screw on your frame, and voila. Easy on, Easy off.

hahah sorry my head was in sodder mode. You're deffinitly right.

X models are likely to be sold much higher than current market price of F, which is low because of the rebate Pioneer was running as well as close-out specials both Pioneer and dealers were making. remains to be seen just what the X will be sold at, but I wouldn't count on big deals out of the gate.

crutchfield has the new pio units up for preorder

http://www.crutchfield.com/g_182350/In- ... %7cPioneer

They're about $1,100 on crutchfield right now. Same as the F on crutchfield.

I mean i get your point since they're new they're gonna be high off the bat but still it makes no sense because other dealers like cartoys or other online sellers are bound to start some bigger discounts.

I mean whats the point of spending 1,100 if you can just get the F90BT for 600$ and add the 130$ 3.0 to it? Other than the face which i doubt anyone cares much for its gonna be pretty much the same isnt it?

Will either the X-series or the F-series charge an Iphone 3G?

Will both units pass video from an Iphone 3G?

Thanks.

Am I reading this right? The X-series has a 2V preout as opposed to the F-series 4V preout? Is this to be considered a fairly significant difference? And why did they drop it?

Am I reading this right? The X-series has a 2V preout as opposed to the F-series 4V preout? Is this to be considered a fairly significant difference? And why did they drop it?

Only the F90BT had the 4 volt preout.

Tim

Thanks for the response. So is getting the F90BT overall a smarter decision over the X-series due to the 4V preamp? Or is it not that big of a difference?

If you have the iPhone and need the new Apple chip, go for the x-series, otherwise F-series + $130 update is probably the better deal.

If you're going to wait a few months for x-series to come down in price, that might be the better deal.

Hello friends,

Sorry if this question has been answered before...but do we have any information regarding the buttons in the wheel?? Is Pioneer going to fix/modify them in order to change the radio station from the wheel??

Many thanks.

Has TTS been fixed? It's atrocious!

Personally, I think it's insane for them to try and charge $130 for the OS update, especially considering it fixes the fact that 2.0 was a poorly coded piece of garbage, and didn't have "Heading Up" in 2D (which was a baseline feature of my D3!)

I don't mind them charging for map data (though I think that too ought to be super cheap) and the "new feature" stuff of 3.0, but the fact is that the F-series owners subsidized Pioneer's development of a new line of nav systems by beta testing half-finished code and living with the frustrations that caused.

My less-than-1-year-old F90BT has totally stopped working now and I'm contemplating putting my D3 back in rather than the F90 at this point. I had always hoped/assumed that I'd eventually get the fix that allowed me to use my GPS map the same way my D3 worked but for $130? No thanks.