but that firmware update isnt for z110bt right.. only if you have the new software on it, which is paid?

anyway for me to download that software and pay for the key.. instead of getting the sd cards shipped out?

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Well, it doesn't sound like they touched on anything relating to BT sound quality...

http://avic411.com/

Will the update work on any other Avic? Like the 700BT?

was excited for about 5 minutes...Did the update....

My friend is probably just tyring to make me feel better but I was told the noise in the background is still there but my voice sounds better

Oh well it was worth a try!

Will the update work on any other Avic? Like the 700BT?

The F700, F900, F90, X710, and X910 have different software and have their own specific updates. This one does not apply to them.

Downloaded and installed, I have about 2 more days to test with this update before my return window is up.

Number one on my list of things that the unit may go back for is that the BT quality is dreadful and just keeps getting worse, I had my F700BT and mic in the same location for almost 2 years and while people griped a bit, they didn't constantly bitch that they couldn't hear me the way they do with the X920BT.

Downloaded and installed, I have about 2 more days to test with this update before my return window is up.

 

Number one on my list of things that the unit may go back for is that the BT quality is dreadful and just keeps getting worse, I had my F700BT and mic in the same location for almost 2 years and while people griped a bit, they didn't constantly bitch that they couldn't hear me the way they do with the X920BT.

what phone are you using again?

Downloaded and installed, I have about 2 more days to test with this update before my return window is up.

 

Number one on my list of things that the unit may go back for is that the BT quality is dreadful and just keeps getting worse, I had my F700BT and mic in the same location for almost 2 years and while people griped a bit, they didn't constantly bitch that they couldn't hear me the way they do with the X920BT.

 

what phone are you using again?

iphone 4, it was fine with the F700BT, have tried it both with the F700 mic that was fine for 2 years, and the new X920 mic, which was worse.

Diane, there is a beta of iOS 4.1 on the net that might fix your problem. These versions are not available to the public but they can be acquired. the reason I bring this up is because it deals with BT connectivity issues reported with the i4. This may allow you to test as to weather it fixes the issue before you return your unit.

Diane, there is a beta of iOS 4.1 on the net that might fix your problem. These versions are not available to the public but they can be acquired. the reason I bring this up is because it deals with BT connectivity issues reported with the i4. This may allow you to test as to weather it fixes the issue before you return your unit.

I've not been thinking of going that direction since the iphone 4 did just fine on the F700, and it's been crap on the x920 in comparison. Silly me, I'm down to a single phone also, I just swapped jobs and don't have my work BlackBerry I used to use to test with.

Diane, there is a beta of iOS 4.1 on the net that might fix your problem. These versions are not available to the public but they can be acquired. the reason I bring this up is because it deals with BT connectivity issues reported with the i4. This may allow you to test as to weather it fixes the issue before you return your unit.

I've not been thinking of going that direction since the iphone 4 did just fine on the F700, and it's been crap on the x920 in comparison. Silly me, I'm down to a single phone also, I just swapped jobs and don't have my work BlackBerry I used to use to test with.

BT connectivity is a big problem with A LOT of OS4 users. Do a quick google search. "It worked on the other unit" probably isnt a good arguement for not giving it a shot. Your other unit was exactly that...another unit. it is different and different things work differently.

Diane, there is a beta of iOS 4.1 on the net that might fix your problem. These versions are not available to the public but they can be acquired. the reason I bring this up is because it deals with BT connectivity issues reported with the i4. This may allow you to test as to weather it fixes the issue before you return your unit.

I've not been thinking of going that direction since the iphone 4 did just fine on the F700, and it's been crap on the x920 in comparison. Silly me, I'm down to a single phone also, I just swapped jobs and don't have my work BlackBerry I used to use to test with.

 

BT connectivity is a big problem with A LOT of OS4 users. Do a quick google search. "It worked on the other unit" probably isnt a good arguement for not giving it a shot. Your other unit was exactly that...another unit. it is different and different things work differently.

I'm confused about Bluetooth - is it not a "spec", as is FM and AM - aka it's an interchangeable technology with predictable outcomes? Or, is that a pipe-dream with today's manufacturers.

I'm confused about Bluetooth - is it not a "spec", as is FM and AM - aka it's an interchangeable technology with predictable outcomes? Or, is that a pipe-dream with today's manufacturers.

im not sure I understand the question but in short, bluetooth is not 100% standard from company to company and phone to phone. its a type of wireless technology but the software used to utilize this technology can affect how it performs. further, there are multiple bluetooth profiles or categories that accomplish different things like making phone calls, transferring address books, streaming music...etc... just because a phone has bluetooth doesn mean it does everything the same way every other bluetooth phone does. likewise, just because a nav has bluetooth doesnt mean it can do or will do everything the same way as other navs with bluetooth.

I'm confused about Bluetooth - is it not a "spec", as is FM and AM - aka it's an interchangeable technology with predictable outcomes? Or, is that a pipe-dream with today's manufacturers.

 

im not sure I understand the question but in short, bluetooth is not 100% standard from company to company and phone to phone. its a type of wireless technology but the software used to utilize this technology can affect how it performs. further, there are multiple bluetooth profiles or categories that accomplish different things like making phone calls, transferring address books, streaming music...etc... just because a phone has bluetooth doesn mean it does everything the same way every other bluetooth phone does. likewise, just because a nav has bluetooth doesnt mean it can do or will do everything the same way as other navs with bluetooth.

ah, ok. So, unlike FM and AM, the process of transmitting and receiving is wide open for the manufacturer to exploit.

BT connectivity is a big problem with A LOT of OS4 users. Do a quick google search. "It worked on the other unit" probably isnt a good arguement for not giving it a shot. Your other unit was exactly that...another unit. it is different and different things work differently.

I understand and respect that, but my BT performance with the same iphone4 on the F700 was acceptable, it rarely is on the x920, and since I use it heavily I need that feature to work, more so than the GPS and it's quirks. I went from 70% acceptable calls to 20% acceptable with the same phone, same install location, same mic location, and both mics.

I have no interest in paying $500 for a unit that sets me BACK 50% in call quality, and I'm getting more and more complaints about call quality when I ever did before. FWIW I ran iOS4 on my 3G and had my 4 as of June 24th, so I had a month of iOS4 running acceptably on the F700.

BT connectivity is a big problem with A LOT of OS4 users. Do a quick google search. "It worked on the other unit" probably isnt a good arguement for not giving it a shot. Your other unit was exactly that...another unit. it is different and different things work differently.

I understand and respect that, but my BT performance with the same iphone4 on the F700 was acceptable, it rarely is on the x920, and since I use it heavily I need that feature to work, more so than the GPS and it's quirks. I went from 70% acceptable calls to 20% acceptable with the same phone, same install location, same mic location, and both mics.

 

I have no interest in paying $500 for a unit that sets me BACK 50% in call quality, and I'm getting more and more complaints about call quality when I ever did before. FWIW I ran iOS4 on my 3G and had my 4 as of June 24th, so I had a month of iOS4 running acceptably on the F700.

Weird.......

I've had no issues when switching from a Z2 to Z110>120BT....

Although I've had every version of IPhone throughout the HU upgrading process...

Where was your BT Volume set at(IPhone) when you initially paired with the Z110/120BT?

BT connectivity is a big problem with A LOT of OS4 users. Do a quick google search. "It worked on the other unit" probably isnt a good arguement for not giving it a shot. Your other unit was exactly that...another unit. it is different and different things work differently.

I understand and respect that, but my BT performance with the same iphone4 on the F700 was acceptable, it rarely is on the x920, and since I use it heavily I need that feature to work, more so than the GPS and it's quirks. I went from 70% acceptable calls to 20% acceptable with the same phone, same install location, same mic location, and both mics.

 

I have no interest in paying $500 for a unit that sets me BACK 50% in call quality, and I'm getting more and more complaints about call quality when I ever did before. FWIW I ran iOS4 on my 3G and had my 4 as of June 24th, so I had a month of iOS4 running acceptably on the F700.

 

Weird.......

I've had no issues when switching from a Z2 to Z110>120BT....

 

Although I've had every version of IPhone throughout the HU upgrading process...

 

Where was your BT Volume set at(IPhone) when you initially paired with the Z110/120BT?

do you think the the 920 and 120 have some different hardware components regarding Bluetooth?

do you think the the 920 and 120 have some different hardware components regarding Bluetooth?

I couldn't tell you...

But I would imagine that they share the same hardware... At least, being that the latest BT update is the same version number for both the 920 and 120.... But don't quote me....

I've spoken with my checkbook, the x920 just went back to Amazon and the F700 went back in the car, and the 3 test calls I made to people had them instantly commenting how much better the sound was without me even asking them.

I've spoken with my checkbook, the x920 just went back to Amazon and the F700 went back in the car, and the 3 test calls I made to people had them instantly commenting how much better the sound was without me even asking them.

wow - what a drag. Strange how the quality control is so all-over-the-place with this unit, I mean, for a company with their history to take a flaky unit to CES is pretty dumb

wow - what a drag. Strange how the quality control is so all-over-the-place with this unit, I mean, for a company with their history to take a flaky unit to CES is pretty dumb

I don't believe it's a per-unit QC issue, my suspicion is that it's just more picky with the BT signal given to it, and the combination of the iphone's not always the best BT performance tied to the X920's design aren't the best in the car I have with high road noise, I can live with the F700 and I'll look for something new next year.

wow - what a drag. Strange how the quality control is so all-over-the-place with this unit, I mean, for a company with their history to take a flaky unit to CES is pretty dumb

I don't believe it's a per-unit QC issue, my suspicion is that it's just more picky with the BT signal given to it, and the combination of the iphone's not always the best BT performance tied to the X920's design aren't the best in the car I have with high road noise, I can live with the F700 and I'll look for something new next year.

That's still odd, even odder that your iPhone has a rough time, cause' they sure crammed the thing full of iPhone type items: Pandora, flipping menu's, that sphere thing - it makes you think they did alot of testing with iPhones over all others . . . hope you find a better deck - thanks for the head's up on this unit

That's still odd, even odder that your iPhone has a rough time, cause' they sure crammed the thing full of iPhone type items: Pandora, flipping menu's, that sphere thing - it makes you think they did alot of testing with iPhones over all others . . . hope you find a better deck - thanks for the head's up on this unit

The problem is that OS4 didnt exist when they were developing these units. Its not really the iPhones so much as it is OS4.

That's still odd, even odder that your iPhone has a rough time, cause' they sure crammed the thing full of iPhone type items: Pandora, flipping menu's, that sphere thing - it makes you think they did alot of testing with iPhones over all others . . . hope you find a better deck - thanks for the head's up on this unit

 

The problem is that OS4 didnt exist when they were developing these units. Its not really the iPhones so much as it is OS4.

strange that her old deck works to her satisfaction, but the new and improved one doesn't. Wouldn't the new deck be more likely to incorporate advancements in the Bluetooth field?

strange that her old deck works to her satisfaction, but the new and improved one doesn't. Wouldn't the new deck be more likely to incorporate advancements in the Bluetooth field?

That would make the most sense. But it seems to be hit or miss the the new iPhones and iPhones running OS4. I dont know why they work with some bluetooths and not with others...in the entire industry, not just within the Pioneer lineup.