I talked about the z110bt and asked about firmware updates and looks like after asking 5 reps one told me there will be a new firmware release in may. that is all i know and updates include running Pandora on the unit itself with a iphone attached and a user interface similar or an exact match to the AVIC-X920BT's firmware. Cant wait and im not sure if this cost money. i played with the new interface a little. ill be at ces tomorrow to get more info.
Finally got some good info from the Horse's mouths. May guess is this will be a map upgrade with a firmware update so it will cost us. Thanks for the info.
Dang...May is too far away... 
Thanks....
Thanks for posting the info. I'm surprised we haven't heard anything out of Pioneer's competition for nav (besides the new Alpine INA-W900, which looks like crap. BT is an addon? REALLY? It's 2010 for Christ's sake, and that interface looks horrible) and no word yet from Kenwood/Garmin, JVC, Eclipse or anyone else on new stuff for in dash. Hopefully someone will get some videos of this new X920 interface in action.
Also, did any Pioneer reps comment on what they plan on using for traffic after 2012?
I was also asking about if this is still going to be their top of the line unit and if there was going to be a "better" unit and looks like no which is good because they will focus on this and not leave it in the dust. They had 3 avic 110bt's on the floor which looks like there still promoting it. as far as the update i was only told more of a user interface upgrade with that Pandora and my guess is they will also add a couple of bug fixes and a faster run time.
Eclipse quit the retail market, only doing OEM stuff now. Won't be anything new from them
So do you think if we purchase the 110 after May the update will be included or will we have to buy the upgrade when we purchase the unit?
It would make sense that it would already have the update. That is, if there is going to be an update and that it is going to be released in May. None of this is official. One guy from Pioneer saying there will be an update doesn't mean its going to happen. We will have to see.
I totally agree. Don't you think they would mention this though at the show... I mean what does it hurt? Seems to me they are not saying anything on purpose. They must be working on something. Their top of the line z model can't be shown up by the x model... Not that it is but it definitely has some people ready to switch. I was going to purchase the 110 in the near future but now I am thinking of just holding out for a couple of months and seeing what plays out.
They didn't announce anything because an update being released in four plus months isn't really saying much.
Yeah I hear you...
i don't think there saying anything because the new model they have AVIC-X920BT is the same exact thing as the 110bt just a different name a different button layout. pioneer whats to promote the new firmware in a new model and i just asked again about this being on the 110bt and they said they weren't aloud to tell me anything about it even though i already know.
Thats the standard response from a company like that. I use to work for a company that was just like Pioneer and that is what I had to tell people if we had something in the works.
I don't understand why they would use accelerometers and other crap to tell you how good your economy is with the new eco-routing thing, when they could just hook up to the OBD2 port and have the exact vehicle info including true MPG that could be tracked. They would also have the option for custom gages. This would be a simple thing, and nobody does it. It just makes me look harder at a Car PC.
I am assuming that would require a different interface cable for each car. The accelerometer makes this completely unnecessary. In case you didn't know, there are a couple of app store apps for the iPhone that use this technology and from what I understand, they are spot on.
Maybe they make us buy a 'map upgrade' that includes a firmware upgrade? They have pulled this in the past with the N-series.
Better not ruin any by-passes!
Maybe they make us buy a 'map upgrade' that includes a firmware upgrade? They have pulled this in the past with the N-series.
Better not ruin any by-passes!
It is likely that it will be combined with a map upgrade. Im sure it wont affect the bypass.
so is it worth to buy the z110 right now? i just sold my z3 cause i wanted an upgrade, and have found a few z110s for sale... or would the 920 be a better buy?
so is it worth to buy the z110 right now? i just sold my z3 cause i wanted an upgrade, and have found a few z110s for sale... or would the 920 be a better buy?
From what I am reading, and from the video posted on the pioneer site it looks like the z110 is still the king. Based off their projected $999 MSRP, highly unlikley it trumps the z110bt. Guess we won't know for a few months.
The Z will still be king. The features of the 920 will be added to the Z series via an update later in the year. You will have to pay for it unless someone hacks it
I am assuming that would require a different interface cable for each car. The accelerometer makes this completely unnecessary. In case you didn't know, there are a couple of app store apps for the iPhone that use this technology and from what I understand, they are spot on.
OBD2 has been mandatory for all cars sold in the United States since 1996. The connection is the same for all cars. I have a small device called a Scan Gage, and it not only reads and resets codes, but will give MPG, instant, average for trip, tank, or day, RPM, speed, and much more. And it will work in any vehicle. This would be very simple to implement in a head unit that already is a small PC, they just need to write an app. I seriously think I will be going the car PC route, as the options are limitless.
You say these apps are spot on, with what? They can't possibly know your MPG, unless you give them information about what your car gets for mileage, and they use that information to "calibrate" themselves.
If someone figures out hot to piggy-back off the OBDII data that would be sweet!
I don't think Pioneer wants to mess with it though.
If someone figures out hot to piggy-back off the OBDII data that would be sweet!
I don't think Pioneer wants to mess with it though.
I don't mean to be hijacking this thread, but, what do you mean "if someone figures out how to piggy-back"? You just plug into the plug that is under the drivers side of the vehicle. People, this system is made to give you all of your vehicles information real time, and it works with ALL VEHICLES!!! It just amazes me that nobody incorporates it. At the worst you might have a cable you will have to tie up out of the way under the dash.
Ok enough said, please get back on topic.
