I would have rather them just make the OK the first thing you have to hit.... regardless of what screen it's on...

Hopefully they DID indeed fix it from failing though....<--I won't know till I get home<--no SD card ATM

When the unit boots up and the radio is the first thing you see, if you press the Voice Recognition button it will say "VR not active. Please go to Map screen and press OK to activate".

So, still not fixed. This is just stupid. It is a slight improvement however, but still no cigar. Dawgbone's idea would have been far better. But hey, why am I not surprised?

I'd rather they got rid of the "OK" thing altogether but at least they fixed the VR issue. Mine works much better now.

Matt

I'd rather they got rid of the "OK" thing altogether but at least they fixed the VR issue. Mine works much better now.

 

Matt

U.S. law requires the prompt.

Hey it saves lives!

I'd rather they got rid of the "OK" thing altogether but at least they fixed the VR issue. Mine works much better now.

 

Matt

 

U.S. law requires the prompt.

I was going to respond with: U.S. law requires the prompt for navigation, but it does not require the user agree to the prompt before using voice commands"....

Then occureed to me that Pioneer has to do this because if the user enters an address via VR without first viewing the prompt and hitting "OK", they are essentially circumventing the prompt and its purpose. They need to make sure you agree to the disclaimer before you enter a destination of any kind, whether it be by voice or by manual entry.

At least thats my reasoning for it. Some of you may have already realized this but I thought i'd share it in case others are wondering about it.

I almost got excited and pulled out my credit card. Gosh darn it at least give us the friggin' option to turn it off. Stupid sue happy country

I'd rather they got rid of the "OK" thing altogether but at least they fixed the VR issue. Mine works much better now.

 

Matt

 

U.S. law requires the prompt.

 

I was going to respond with: U.S. law requires the prompt for navigation, but it does not require the user agree to the prompt before using voice commands"....

 

Then occureed to me that Pioneer has to do this because if the user enters an address via VR without first viewing the prompt and hitting "OK", they are essentially circumventing the prompt and its purpose. They need to make sure you agree to the disclaimer before you enter a destination of any kind, whether it be by voice or by manual entry.

 

At least thats my reasoning for it. Some of you may have already realized this but I thought i'd share it in case others are wondering about it.

Trust me newman, I'm a La-Z-Boy lawyer, I know what I'm talking about.

 

 

Trust me newman, I'm a La-Z-Boy lawyer, I know what I'm talking about.

A lawyer????

Mods....consider IP banning this guy

J/K

Oh he is so banned!

Oh he is so banned!

For life!

I have a z120bt on the way and want to update it as soon as i install it. so my question is, does the sd card have to be empty or can i use my camera sd card with all my pictures still on it.

thanks

If your getting a 120 you will have the most up to date. But it is always recommended to use a clean SD card for any updates.

If your getting a 120 you will have the most up to date. But it is always recommended to use a clean SD card for any updates.

You have to remember that the unit was likely purchased weeks ago and has been out of Pioneer's hands for a while. It has probably been on a distributor's shelf and then the retailer's shelf for at least a couple of weeks and will likely NOT have this new update on it since it was just released. There is a chance it will but I don't think its probable.

If it turns out that you do need to do the update, use a clean SD card.

If your getting a 120 you will have the most up to date. But it is always recommended to use a clean SD card for any updates.

 

You have to remember that the unit was likely purchased weeks ago and has been out of Pioneer's hands for a while. It has probably been on a distributor's shelf and then the retailer's shelf for at least a couple of weeks and will likely NOT have this new update on it since it was just released. There is a chance it will but I don't think its probable.

 

If it turns out that you do need to do the update, use a clean SD card.

yea that was my thinking also. guess i'll pick up a new sd today. thanks

Just remember that update actually does very little and does not add or really address any bug issues. I apparently does re-work the way VR loads on startup which makes a little more sense then the way it worked previously.

Just remember that update actually does very little and does not add or really address any bug issues. I apparently does re-work the way VR loads on startup which makes a little more sense then the way it worked previously.

At least, it does fix the VR failure that happens if your phone connects prior to hitting the OK button....

Do I think it was well engineered, not by the slightest...

But it does fix it, so that you don't have to power cycle the HU(ie turning the car off/on)....

It's a ridiculously retarded design without a doubt.... You have to hit Mode to get to the Nav screen, just to hit the OK button...just so that you can have VR....<--- which is maybe worse than texting and driving

It's almost counter-productive.... and possibly more dangerous....<--- I figure it's a dumbshit listening to dumbshits that come up with dumbshit rules that are entirely dumb as shit.... kind of deal...

Yes, it is an improvement but still stupid.

It is my personal opinion that VR issues are mainly due to a poor BT mic circuit,

If others on the other end hear noise, clearly any VR software will have to deal with the same thing.

This may not be for you if you are used to a 'factory' VR, or a factory BT sound (for calls). Calls are also very poor.

Thanks for the heads up on VR, maybe thats why mine works like crap. I posted my concerns on Amazon as well

I'm glad I found this thread. My VR commands were working great before I had to take my care in for some repairs to my bumper. When I received the car from the repair garage, everything works fine EXCEPT for the VR commands--regardless of me pressing the OK button before my iPhone BT connection is made! Is it possible that the repair technicians "reset" my AVIC unit so that it ended up in a state where the VR catalog was destroyed or something? Any suggestions I can try to completely reset my AVIC unit?

I should note that when I speak the command "Play Artist" the unit does recognize that, and then announces: "which artist do you want to play", and then the VR fails. So, it's as if the problem is only with the catalog, not the standard commands that ship with the unit.

Thanks for your time and help!

I'm glad I found this thread. My VR commands were working great before I had to take my care in for some repairs to my bumper. When I received the car from the repair garage, everything works fine EXCEPT for the VR commands--regardless of me pressing the OK button before my iPhone BT connection is made! Is it possible that the repair technicians "reset" my AVIC unit so that it ended up in a state where the VR catalog was destroyed or something? Any suggestions I can try to completely reset my AVIC unit?

 

I should note that when I speak the command "Play Artist" the unit does recognize that, and then announces: "which artist do you want to play", and then the VR fails. So, it's as if the problem is only with the catalog, not the standard commands that ship with the unit.

 

Thanks for your time and help!

Sounds like the VR catalog is hosed. Try a few more "canned" commands that don't require recognizing the songs, artists, or albumns on your iPod. Like "Next song", "Previous Song", Change Source to FM", "Change Source to iPod", ... If these work, then it isn't your mic, it is the iPod VR catalog. That can be rebuilt in the AV System Settings menu by turning VR Catalog Mode OFF, then ON. It should take several minutes. Oh, make sure Echo Cancel is turned ON in the BT Settings menu.

Thanks for the reply Ron. I appreciate your time. I will give those suggestions a try. When I turn the VR Catalog Mode to OFF, should I turn the car off then on again so the unit reboots?

Thanks for the reply Ron. I appreciate your time. I will give those suggestions a try. When I turn the VR Catalog Mode to OFF, should I turn the car off then on again so the unit reboots?

You're welcome. As far as forcing the VR re-catalog, I'm not exactly sure of the proper sequence to force it. Thae manual isn't exactly clear either. It certainly couldn't hurt to reboot after turning OFF. It might also work by just disconnecting and re-connecting the iPod.

Here is what normally seems to happen. Once a full VR catalog has been done, subsequent reboots just do a quick check. On mine it only takes a few (5-10) seconds. A full rebuild takes several minutes.

If you have a Z120, check out pgs 170-171. There are a few things there that you should check. (Language in settings is English, iPod is selected in the AV Source screen, you answerer OK on the Pledge screen.

I should of asked earlier, but I am assuming your iPod can play normally besides VR commands, right?

If re-building your iPod catalog doesn't work, the only other thing I can think of is to restore your iPod from iTunes. BTW, you didn't leave your iPod in the car & connected during the service, did you? Maybe the mechanic changed some setting.

Thanks again for the tips. I did what you said to rebuild the VR catalog and still no dice. All the commands that ship with the unit work fine, but the variable ones (the names of my songs in my iPhone) simply do not get recognized. What a disappointment! So, I called tech support at Pioneer and they suggested I do the same things you recommended, but then they said I should update my firmware to the latest. Not sure if that will do the trick, but I'm going to give it a shot. I just don't know what the deal is. Ever since I got my car back nothing is recognized.

You mentioned something about "resported my iPod from iTunes". What do you mean by that? Like completely removing everything from my iPhone and trying again?

I'll post more as I learn more.