I have been an iphone owner for almost 4yrs now, the iphone 4 is great but i am just getting tired of the OS itself. I am thinking of switching to the HTC Evo.

My question is, how does the AVIC recognize these phones other than the iphone that have built in media players? Will it show up as a USB drive? Will i have to control the music through the phone itself since its not an ipod?

I guess to avoid this it would be just as easy to just buy a regualar ipod and leave it hooked up permanently for this purpose

Nothing is going to work as well as an iPod device. And if your getting tired of the iOS you might want to check out some of the lack luster reviews of the Evo on Youtube. Seems that device is not all its cracked up to be as far as the interface to use it goes.

Nothing is going to work as well as an iPod device. And if your getting tired of the iOS you might want to check out some of the lack luster reviews of the Evo on Youtube. Seems that device is not all its cracked up to be as far as the interface to use it goes.

(snide -- anything is better than iPhone anyway)

To answer the original question, AVICs only recognize iPod players as anything special. Anything else will be seen as a USB drive.

Thats what we did, We just keep the ipod in the glovebox connected 24x7. Every once in a while we'll update it and put more music on it. We bought a new 64gb one but we should of just bought an old school classic or even an older mini/nano on craigslist for like $100. Ask some friends to see if anyone has an older one laying around.

Definately get an android or even a Windows Moblie phone. I've had windows mobile phones since WM2003 cameout and love them!! the new windows phone 7 OS and phones comeout around this christmas if you can holdout. I love that all the apps are completly free and anyone can make them and just post it online without having to wait 30-45 days for apple to approve it. Plus if you don't like something on windows mobile you can easily hack or change it! Free tethering to laptops is the best. You can do most of this stuff with android also I believe.

Definately get an android or even a Windows Moblie phone. I've had windows mobile phones since WM2003 cameout and love them!! the new windows phone 7 OS and phones comeout around this christmas if you can holdout. I love that all the apps are completly free and anyone can make them and just post it online without having to wait 30-45 days for apple to approve it. Plus if you don't like something on windows mobile you can easily hack or change it! Free tethering to laptops is the best. You can do most of this stuff with android also I believe.

Really? I wonder why I pay for my WinMo apps then...

BTW, Windows Phone 7 makes iPhone look modern and advanced. I don't really see it lasting any longer than Microsoft Kin did...

WinMO and Symbian BB phones will fall to the waste side. The landscape will be iPhone and Android with the iPhone remaining on top for quite a while. When it comes to the average consumer, the iPhone offers a total user experience unmatched by anything currently available and will stay that way for a while. iPhone haters are biased and simply not looking at the full potential of what the iPhone has to offer. The iPhone has the perfect marriage of features, technology, and community support to win over the average consumer as well as many tech oriented users. And that is what makes the iPhone the best damn smartphone on the market right now. 1.7 million sold in three days. Is it really because everybody is stupid and ill informed? Regardless of weather you buy into the whole iPhone craze or not, cell phones prior to 06-29-2007 had become a stagnant, no personality, no excitement electronics industry. That all changed over night the day the iPhone was released. The fact is that regardless of what phone is in your pocket right now, it is an, "order of magnitude" a better phone then it would be right now if the iPhone had never been released. And that, once again, makes the iPhone the best damn phone on the market.

WinMO and Symbian BB phones will fall to the waste side. The landscape will be iPhone and Android with the iPhone remaining on top for quite a while. When it comes to the average consumer, the iPhone offers a total user experience unmatched by anything currently available and will stay that way for a while. iPhone haters are biased and simply not looking at the full potential of what the iPhone has to offer. The iPhone has the perfect marriage of features, technology, and community support to win over the average consumer as well as many tech oriented users. And that is what makes the iPhone the best damn smartphone on the market right now. 1.7 million sold in three days. Is it really because everybody is stupid and ill informed? Regardless of weather you buy into the whole iPhone craze or not, cell phones prior to 06-29-2007 had become a stagnant, no personality, no excitement electronics industry. That all changed over night the day the iPhone was released. The fact is that regardless of what phone is in your pocket right now, it is an, "order of magnitude" a better phone then it would be right now if the iPhone had never been released. And that, once again, makes the iPhone the best damn phone on the market.

LOL coming from someone driving a civic....

Iphone design had nothing to do with windows at all, It might of helped shape some of those junky samsung phones or whatever. Also out of the 1.7 million 70-90% of those were upgrades from previous ipods. For the average mom and dad who doesn't know much about electronics then the iphone is great, but for everyone else it's pointless. My father (works for IBM) has a corporate BB, Iphone, and bought a droid ERIS/EVO. We all hate the BB but he needs it, the iphone sits in a drawer and he likes the droid.

My WinMO phone can do everything any android, iphone, BB can do and then some. I'd love to see another phone able to use exchange activesync (99.9% of corporate america uses exchange), or even be able to easily download apps that aren't approved by Apple or google.

BB's are only for corporate use and i still don't understand why they don't use winMO

iphones are for emo kids and people who love spending $.99 per song, $3.99 per tv show, $4.99 per app and whatever else.

Android is good but won't make it in corporate america

WinMO is great for personal and business use.

Really? I wonder why I pay for my WinMo apps then...

BTW, Windows Phone 7 makes iPhone look modern and advanced. I don't really see it lasting any longer than Microsoft Kin did...

Microsoft has a HUGE problem with coming out with software/devices and pulling them before they pickup steam. The kin's were very limited. I've been waiting for the new HTC 1ghz snapdragon win phone 7 device to comeout this xmas.

what apps did you pay for??

The only pay app I've ever paid for is netremote, but thats because its for winmo phones, pc's, tablets, and whatever else.

Once again an iPhone hater that doesn't get it as to why the iPhone is successful. Regardless of weather over a million phones were sold to people that already had iPhones, it's still over a million sold in three days. No other portable electronic device has ever sold that many units in so little time. And the average consumer that you say the iPhone is perfect for is exactly my point. It's the average consumers that go for the most pleasurable device to use which why the iPhone is the best phone available. Ya can't argue with the numbers. To do so is just stupid. And the fact that you comment on the car I drive as an implication that I have no credibility in what I wrote just shows your lack of credibility and out right stupidity.

The comment about your car is an assumption you're either young or unsuccessful at your career. Comparing your economy car vs my luxury vehicles (Lexus GS350, Audi A6, Yamaha R6, Dodge RAM) shows that intelligence isn't in your favor.

Just because the average consumer buys more iphones has nothing to do with whats better, so because more peopleHonda Civics its better than my Lexus of my Audi.

Also I'm not a "hater" I compared the devices and gave reasoning on WHY I believe winMO is better than an iphone. You gave NO FACTS whatsoever on WHY you believe it's better.

Please indulge me in a intellectual conversation comparing the 2 OS's and their features.

LOL coming from someone driving a civic....

Oh and I looked over your 6 post on here and one of them was in response to a spam post. That's a real class act.

Once again an iPhone hater that doesn't get it as to why the iPhone is successful. Regardless of weather over a million phones were sold to people that already had iPhones, it's still over a million sold in three days. No other portable electronic device has ever sold that many units in so little time. And the average consumer that you say the iPhone is perfect for is exactly my point. It's the average consumers that go for the most pleasurable device to use which why the iPhone is the best phone available. Ya can't argue with the numbers. To do so is just stupid. And the fact that you comment on the car I drive as an implication that I have no credibility in what I wrote just shows your lack of credibility and out right stupidity.

Facebook or Myspace are extremely popular, too. So are MacDonalds' hamburgers. They are all crap, too...

And of course if you look at popularity, Windows is clearly the most superior OS of all times forever and ever.

iPhone makes a nice and popular toy, but it fails as a phone, even if fanboys do not want to notice it, and as a smartphone it is inferior by design to Symbian, old-school WinMo, WebOS or Android. Yeah, I've heard in version 4 it can multitask almost as good as the original version of Windows Mobile did...

The comment about your car is an assumption you're either young or unsuccessful at your career. Comparing your economy car vs my luxury vehicles (Lexus GS350, Audi A6, Yamaha R6, Dodge RAM) shows that intelligence isn't in your favor.

LOL! You have got to be one of he most ignorant people I have seen. Most people are smart enough to not let everyone know how ignorant they are by putting something in writing as your statements here. Anyway I can see now I won't be needing to dignify anything you post from now on with a response.

what apps did you pay for??

The only pay app I've ever paid for is netremote, but thats because its for winmo phones, pc's, tablets, and whatever else.

Mostly Spb stuff -- Pocket Plus, Phone Suite, Weather, Time... Then there are some utilities, iGO 8 and more.

Oh, and by the way, I've heard that Warren Buffett drives a 30 years old Volvo. I'll bet that he's a bit more successful than you are.

Some people have different priorities, you know.. Although nobody would call Dodge (lol) Ram (rofl) a luxury vehicle.

The point I'm making here is both RIM and Microsoft are selling less phones and that will continue to happen. Where as Apple is selling quite a bit more every year. At some point, both the other two will fall to the waste side because of this. They may still have their nich markets, but they won't be a contender in units sold. Again, the reason the iPhone is successful is because it appeals to vast array of consumers, both general consumers and tech oriented consumers. The success is determined by units sold. The fact is the iPhone has mass appael and is also a damn good device, comparable in many ways to the others we have discussed. Anyway, we disagree and that's fine. Nice arguing with you again though Boris.

tech oriented consumers? I'd love to see an IT department with everyone having iphones.... I can't think of ONE thing an Iphone does that a winmo cannot. Iphone's aren't good devices they just have appeal because people are used to ipods. Apple is a fad and I can see it dropping like a rock if android takes off. Students think Macbooks and iphones are cool just because others have them. Wait until corporations start dumping BB's for winMO and kids start catching onto android and Google chrome OS. The EVO has a 1GHZ processor and 8MP camera, I'd love to see Apple catch up with that.

What MP is the iphone? My touch pro 2 is 3.2MP

The point I'm making here is both RIM and Microsoft are selling less phones and that will continue to happen. Where as Apple is selling quite a bit more every year. At some point, both the other two will fall to the waste side because of this. They may still have their nich markets, but they won't be a contender in units sold. Again, the reason the iPhone is successful is because it appeals to vast array of consumers, both general consumers and tech oriented consumers. The success is determined by units sold. The fact is the iPhone has mass appael and is also a damn good device, comparable in many ways to the others we have discussed. Anyway, we disagree and that's fine. Nice arguing with you again though Boris.

Always a pleasure.

I think we're disagreeing on the point that something that has mass appeal must, therefore, be a good thing. I believe it is often (most often, really) not true...

tech oriented consumers? I'd love to see an IT department with everyone having iphones.... I can't think of ONE thing an Iphone does that a winmo cannot. Iphone's aren't good devices they just have appeal because people are used to ipods. Apple is a fad and I can see it dropping like a rock if android takes off. Students think Macbooks and iphones are cool just because others have them. Wait until corporations start dumping BB's for winMO and kids start catching onto android and Google chrome OS. The EVO has a 1GHZ processor and 8MP camera, I'd love to see Apple catch up with that.

 

What MP is the iphone? My touch pro 2 is 3.2MP

Windows Mobile 6.x is dead, unfortunately. Corporations certainly are not going to dump Blackberries for it. Windows Phone 7 has all the limitations of iPhone (and then some) and none of the good features. iPhones are already making inroads into corporate IT structures. We'll see them and Android there long before WP7 gets anywhere. And probably long after MS drops it...

windows phone 7 isn't the same as kin's OS. the Kin was sorta aimed at iphone kids in an attempt to convert them. From everything I've read the windows phone 7 will have all the features of wm6.5 plus add xbox, zune, facebook and other things all into a easy to use OS. I would be suprised if they drop features. with office webapps, skydrive, and sharepoint well all have access to all of our files. Either with webapps and skydrive hosting personal home documents, music, and pictures or with sharepoint and access to corporate documents and the ability to have multiple users edit a file at a time, cloud based computing could change everything...

I've never understood why corporations use blackberries. I had one once for a month until a new winmo phone came out and it seemed junky. With exchange activesync, corporations can allow employees access to all their email, contacts, calander, notes, tasks, and be able to easily block features (bluetooth, camera, wifi) all while being able to delete all the info from it if it becomes stolen. All without needing an extra blackberry server/software.

The best part with exchange activesync is it syncs text messages. I send/recieve texts in class with my laptop in outlook all while my phone's still in my pocket. It also saves all my messages to the server incase they're needed.

windows phone 7 isn't the same as kin's OS. the Kin was sorta aimed at iphone kids in an attempt to convert them. From everything I've read the windows phone 7 will have all the features of wm6.5 plus add xbox, zune, facebook and other things all into a easy to use OS. I would be suprised if they drop features. with office webapps, skydrive, and sharepoint well all have access to all of our files. Either with webapps and skydrive hosting personal home documents, music, and pictures or with sharepoint and access to corporate documents and the ability to have multiple users edit a file at a time, cloud based computing could change everything...

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Then I can only suggest that you read up on WP7. It won't even have multitasking, likely won't have cut and paste, will not be customizable, and will lose all of the good qualities 6.5 had, like sideloading, native coding, access to hardware etc. etc.

BTW, for people who need a good messaging platform, Blackberry with BES is more powerful, manageable and reliable than WinMo with activesync. As a general purpose smartphone WinMo is more flexible.

I think we're disagreeing on the point that something that has mass appeal must, therefore, be a good thing. I believe it is often (most often, really) not true...

Yea I totally agree with that analogy and use it myself to combat the mass opinion the Windows OS must be better then Mac OS simply because Windows has 90% share of the market. Of course in my opinion Windows is garbage and always has been. It certainly better with Win7 but still reeks of garbage as an OS in my opinion. I am certainly not trying to point that the iPhone is the most superior phone simply because it out sales all other phones more every year. The reason I claim the iPhone is the best all around device on the market today is because it marries the perfect balance of features, technology, and elegance. So much so that the average consumer really does care that it doesn't have an 8MP camera or an HDMI output. That is all spec overload and the general consumer market doesn't even understand half of that stuff. That is not what sells a phone to the mass market. Perfect balance of features is what sells and Apple has it coined almost to a damn science. When you look at the iPhone overall in balance, it is the most desirable device right now and certainly appears it will be that way for some time. Clearly it isn't the perfect business device yet. But that is not what is going to sell the device to the masses anyway. The point I am trying to make here is, I don't thing anyone, (well accept for the other clown that continues to way in on this discussion) can deny that phones had really lost innovation, luster, and excitement until the iPhone was released. Clearly RIM and Microsoft have been clamoring to offer alternatives that have all failed to compete with the iPhone. This is towards a consumer market, not the business market. Why? Because they see that an elegant smartphone can appeal to the general consumer market where non of those companies recognized before Apple came along and completely stole that market overnight. They had no real intension to appeal to the consumer market in the smart phone area until Apple came along and proved it could be done and very successfully. Now there trying to take what they should have owned all along and they will fail in the general consumer market. And as you said, eventually in the business market as well. The only real competition to the iPhone going forward in my opinion is the Android devices. These are actually very good phones that capitalize on the success of the iPhone. The one thing that the Android platform has going for it is multiple carrier support. Quite frankly, I don't believe they would even be as successful as there are without multiple carriers. And Google better hope Apple doesn't decide to open the other three carriers anytime soon or it will be considerably harder for Google to gain market share against the iPhone.

I think we're disagreeing on the point that something that has mass appeal must, therefore, be a good thing. I believe it is often (most often, really) not true...

 

Yea I totally agree with that analogy and use it myself to combat the mass opinion the Windows OS must be better then Mac OS simply because Windows has 90% share of the market.....iPhone.

For the mass market, most likely. But then we get to the same Mickey D's analogy... Most popular devices/OS/whatever is not necessarily the best. It's just acceptable enough and simple enough that you can use it without engaging the brain, which is what sells to the majority.

I've worked with both Windows and MacOS enough to know that OS X (let's not even talk about the monstrosity that previous branch of Mac OS was) is not of any better quality than Windows.

iPhone had quite a few innovations at the time (although nothing revolutionary). But they made is to that you can get something done without ever having to think. Plug it into iTunes, your credit card gets charged, and you have 50 different fart apps on the phone. With WinMo you have to actually look for them first

Android probably would have made comparable gains, even if it were available only on oner carrier (if we're talking US market only) of a similar size simply by having more/better hardware. Some people do want a real keyboard, or a better camera, or a home screen that actually conveys some useful information.

If Android keeps the momentum, I see them eventually overtaking iPhone by offering something that is both useable in corporate setting and being just as user friendly on the consumer market, while offering better hardware and more features.

Persdonally, I'm still waiting to see what HP does with Palm's WebOS which, technically, is superior to either, but suffers from low-end hardware...

 

Then I can only suggest that you read up on WP7. It won't even have multitasking, likely won't have cut and paste, will not be customizable, and will lose all of the good qualities 6.5 had, like sideloading, native coding, access to hardware etc. etc.

 

BTW, for people who need a good messaging platform, Blackberry with BES is more powerful, manageable and reliable than WinMo with activesync. As a general purpose smartphone WinMo is more flexible.

Thats news to me. From what I've been reading off my technet subscription and everything they'll have full exchange support, and basically everything else. It's designed to be full seamless device using silverlight and be able to access anything from the web just like it was on the device. It looks like the only limitation is you'll have to get apps from windows marketplace which is dissapointing. Access to hardware will be able to be blocked by companies, this is very similar to exchange 2010 with wm6.5, I can block my employees bluetooth,wifi,camera,and a few others...they're just adding the ability to block tethering to laptops and removable SD cards. It'll also have 256 SSL, UAG and latest EAS security.

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phon ... iness.aspx

It seems like they're taking a different approach than before, They're not planning on having a PC in your pocket but the ability to access all your information and do everything from your pocket. Imagine having employees going to an offsite sales meeting and being able to present their powerpoint straight from the device. We can do this now but the powerpoint will be on the corporate servers and be able to seamlessly transmit data and info to remote locations.

 

Then I can only suggest that you read up on WP7. It won't even have multitasking, likely won't have cut and paste, will not be customizable, and will lose all of the good qualities 6.5 had, like sideloading, native coding, access to hardware etc. etc.

 

BTW, for people who need a good messaging platform, Blackberry with BES is more powerful, manageable and reliable than WinMo with activesync. As a general purpose smartphone WinMo is more flexible.

 

 

Thats news to me. From what I've been reading off my technet subscription and everything they'll have full exchange support, and basically everything else. It's designed to be full seamless device using silverlight and be able to access anything from the web just like it was on the device. It looks like the only limitation is you'll have to get apps from windows marketplace which is dissapointing. Access to hardware will be able to be blocked by companies, this is very similar to exchange 2010 with wm6.5, I can block my employees bluetooth,wifi,camera,and a few others...they're just adding the ability to block tethering to laptops and removable SD cards. It'll also have 256 SSL, UAG and latest EAS security.

 

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phon ... iness.aspx

 

 

It seems like they're taking a different approach than before, They're not planning on having a PC in your pocket but the ability to access all your information and do everything from your pocket. Imagine having employees going to an offsite sales meeting and being able to present their powerpoint straight from the device. We can do this now but the powerpoint will be on the corporate servers and be able to seamlessly transmit data and info to remote locations.

Read something other than marketing blogs

There is decent Exchange support.

There is no:

1. Native programming. Only a very limited .Net environment with no access to hardware. Third-party programs won't even have access to calendar or contact data. FAIL.

2. No removable memory. FAIL

3. Only two screen resolutions. FAIL

4. No navigation buttons. Cursor buttons are allowed on slide-out keyboard, but can not be used for navigation. FAIL

6. No native database engine on the device, you're supposed to use the cloud. FAIL

7. Applications are completely sandboxed and can not even exchange files. FAIL

8. UI can not be changed or even customized. FAIL

I could go on for another few dozen points, but suffice to say that this is a product that comes from the same people who could not move WinMo6 when it was a superior platform, and who thought that Kin is a good idea.

wow that sounds exactly like the iphone. minus exchange support

no removable memory??? are you certain? I thought SD cards can be blocked if wanted to with exchange.

I think windows is going ultra secure by limiting calendar and contacts which is a good move.

UI is blocked becuase they don't want HTC or others to put their bloatware and dedicate ram to their UI's built ontop of windows.

There aren't many resolutions and i doubt they'll have any better resolutions in the future, we don't need 1080p on our phone.

so applications won't have access to files on the phone? I guess i'm not understanding how they can't exchange files.

I'm assuming navigation buttons aren't necessary. I don't have any on the front and don't use my keyboard one.

It seems like they're fixing the faults from iphone and potential security faults. The only thing that bugs me is removable memory but I seriously doubt they'll block it.

its hard to move a piece of software when people mainly care about the hardware and coolness level