Apple is going to add to our cable problems. The new dock connector know as "lightning" will have an adapter to allow it to be used with our 30 pin connectors, but according to Apple, "This adapter lets you connect devices with a Lightning connector to many of your 30-pin accessories.* Video and iPod Out not supported."
So, if you get a new iPhone 5, you have to get a new AV cable to connect to your Avic. I don't see these mentioned anywhere at this time.
The reducing of the pin connector got rid of AV through pin connector. It will still I believe pass information for song playing and can still connect AV cable for sound video
My understanding is that the data supplied at the new connector is only digital and no analog sound will be available. Perhaps some type of cabling connecting via the earphone jack output will be needed.
Correct. For the f700 it's the same deal need the AV cables and USB cable connected. I'm just curious if the interface will change the songs. Here's an article kind of addressing it. http://m.imore.com/lightning-connector-drops-video-out-support-wants-you-use-airplay-and-apple-tv
"Apple's Lightning-to-30-pin adapter doesn't support video out, only working to transfer power, USB data, and analog and USB audio" - from the verge. I think this is important to note. The adapter will transfer data, so if you have the a/v cables plugged in through the headphone jack and the 30 pin to lightening adapter plugged in we should be all set for audio support in our car. Granted that the iphone 5 plays nice with the avic which may not be the case. As for video I think we will be out of luck, but just about every device will be out of luck since the only way to get video off the device is through airplay. Eventually a hdmi/vga connector for lightening is coming out but no time frame yet.
Basic iPod audio functionality will work with the adaptor. Audio/data only apps like Pandora should work as well.
However, Video/App Mode apps will NOT display video.
Good job getting more details, tail24 and JasonH. Nice to know that analog audio out will be passed through the new connector. I may get an iPhone 5 yet! I'll wait for others to confirm that it does indeed "play nice" with the Avic.
Doh! When I saw that an adapter was available, I just assumed that video out would be supported (my wife keeps ~20 disney movies on her phone for appeasing the kids in the car). Now I need to decide if I want to cancel my pre-order- losing video in the car will likely be deal breaker for her.
I guess we could just plug the old phone in for movies in the car while waiting to see if Pioneer comes through with a new cable...
pioneer will not make a cable for video. Id think about permanetely keeping old iphone and use it as an ipod and leave it permenately connected.
Guys the only way to get video onto the unit with the i5 is through Airplay and no units from Pioneer or anyone else supports Airplay at this time. Also app video out is not supported by Airplay so you can kiss App Mode goodbye with the i5 with any head unit. We wont see total i5 support until a completely new unit is announced and that wont be till January and it likely will not offer total i5 support either. Whatever Pioneer or anyone else announces at CES in January is already finalized and in testing right now and it is too late to offer full support for the i5. Forget complete i5 support from any currant unit and it will likely take Pioneer at least two months to offer even an audio cable. Either hang on to your current iDevice for use with the unit or accept that you will not be able to use the i5 beyond BT with any of the currently available units from any manufacture. And that includes OEM as well. It sucks but that is the way it is. Hell I was looking for a 64GB 4S last night specifically for tis purpose to use with the AR2 when I buy my car soon and they are all gone and no longer made. So yeah, I feel your pain. That all being said, the fact that Apple is doing away with the dock connector control protocol and going with something much better will be a good thing eventually. Once that happens most of us that don't like it now wont care how we felt then.
Re-reading tail24 reply above, it seems that an i5 audio will work fine with the current Apple AV composite cable and the new lightning adapter. There should be no need for anything to have to connect into the headphone jack, just plug into the dock connector as I do now with my 3GS and play away. I should have access to an i5 in a week or so and will test it out before I commit to a purchase of one myself.
I searched all over to try and find an answer to this...
this is what I found in macworld.
"As with the 30-pin connector, the Lightning connector supports video output; Apple told Macworld that Lightning-to-HDMI and Lightning-to-VGA cables will be available “in the coming months.â€"
found from: http://www.macworld....ns_for_you.html
also from : http://www.trustedre...cables-incoming
So the real question is, how soon will pioneer be able to research and engineer a cable that goes from the lightning port to our radios?
Also, I wonder, if I were to take the lightning cable that came with the iphone, plug it into the usb port that the iphone cable plugs into, then take a male-male headphone cable and plug it into the other female cable attached, would THAT work? Just wondering... I doubt it, but what if...
Also found here: http://avic411.com/i...we-know-so-far/
From what we currently understand, the iphone 5, with the 30 pin adapter and the current cable from pioneer:
Will support audio iPod output.
Will support audio out apps (like Pandora)
Might support controls (thumb up, thumb down, next, etc)
Will NOT support video iPod, video app, or Enhanced App Radio functions.
do you guys remember this thing called an iPod? instead of investing more money on accessories just get an ipod (classic). i keep one in my car all the time and its loaded with all my music and movies. i just bring it in once and a while to sync when i have new stuff. 160 gigs that just sits in my center console and i dont forget it or leave it behind.
Navy Mike... thats what I do for the most part as well. Then if I want to use my iphone say for listening to new music streamed through itunes to iphone I use the front a/v port.
But I can understand that people want to dock their iphones instead and are now curious.
Also, I wonder, if I were to take the lightning cable that came with the iphone, plug it into the usb port that the iphone cable plugs into, then take a male-male headphone cable and plug it into the other female cable attached, would THAT work? Just wondering... I doubt it, but what if...
AFAIK, no iOS device outputs video at the headphone jack, only audio.
AFAIK, no iOS device outputs video at the headphone jack, only audio.
That is correct sense the 5.5 gen iPod on forward.
I tested my new received Lightning to 30 pin connector today with my iPhone 5 on my 700bt using the Apple AV composite cable. Charging works, audio works, Avic control of the iPod functions work and Stitcher works. I didn't try video since the fine print on the adapter says it doesn't work.
I tested my new received Lightning to 30 pin connector today with my iPhone 5 on my 700bt using the Apple AV composite cable. Charging works, audio works, Avic control of the iPod functions work and Stitcher works. I didn't try video since the fine print on the adapter says it doesn't work.
This is excellent news!
I tested my new received Lightning to 30 pin connector today with my iPhone 5 on my 700bt using the Apple AV composite cable. Charging works, audio works, Avic control of the iPod functions work and Stitcher works. I didn't try video since the fine print on the adapter says it doesn't work.
Good to hear.
I tried plugging in my usb/ lightning cable directly (instead of using the adapter.) Controls work just fine, but audio comes out of the phone & not the system. Settings are correct in AV settings area. I'm guessing that for some reason, my setup with my F90BT isn't recognizing the digital signal? 
I'm guessing that for some reason, my setup with my F90BT isn't recognizing the digital signal?
The iPod connection on the AVIC's use analog audio, not USB.
Also chiming in here...
My F90BT and iPhone 5 work perfectly fine connected using Apple's Lightning to 30-pin Adapter and the regular Pioneer cable that came with my nav.
w000t!!!
I decided to upgrade my 3GS to a 4S instead of an iPhone5. I saved $100 on the phone and I figure another $120 in new cables I would need to connect to my peripherals. I can use all my current peripherals with my Otterbox Defender case on as well.
Also chiming in here...
My F90BT and iPhone 5 work perfectly fine connected using Apple's Lightning to 30-pin Adapter and the regular Pioneer cable that came with my nav.
w000t!!!
I got a f700 pioneer cable with apple lighting adapter cant get charging to work? Can anyone else get it to? Do I need the av composite cable from apple ???
Do I need the av composite cable from apple ???
It is likely the issue is the Pioneer cable. Replacing it with the Apple cable will likely solve the issue.