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By radiogeek · Feb 06, 2007in Off-Topic💬 30 posts👁️ 7,737 views
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Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 08:04 UTC#1

The cops where I live are getting crazy since our idiot governor issued this new "heat" campaign on speeding--read tax collecting. I got a ticket a couple months ago for 58 in a 55. A friend of mine got a ticket for 56 in a 55!!!

 

They're getting everybody with lasers, so I was wondering what experience you guys have had with the Blinder and the K40 laser jammers. I know there's a thread here that talks about them a little, but I'm wanting some feedback from some people that have actually driven a while with them, been targeted by laser while over the limit, and have not gotten pulled over.

 

The minimum ticket where I live is about 180 bucks, so it's definitely worth a few hundred for me to get the jammer.

 

And before anyone tells me just not to speed, tell me that you never go 1 MPH over the speed limit.

Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 12:58 UTC#2

I would think the judge would throw out your 1 mph violation. I'm sure the laser readers have a small margin of error that can be argued.

Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 15:42 UTC#3

I have one myself, not sure the least expensive unit out there that includes laser jammers. BUT for a ticket that you are going 1-4 mph above the speed limit would be a little difficult especially since many speedometers are not accurate 100% either. theres a % variance there too, and 1 mph is something very easily missed.

 

I have not been able to use the jammer part of my system since i stopped driving the vehicle such long trips. and now, the vehicle is disabled. I will probably not be replacing the jammer since I dont see it being helpful, its probably more about driving habits then it is about jamming or being notified that there is a police officer trying to catch your speed.

Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 17:31 UTC#4

Yeah 1mph over seems a bit extreme. My speedo says 55 when I'm doing 58. So there's 3mph over the limit right there.

Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 17:50 UTC#5

I think he was tring to say how well do the laser jammers actually work?

 

Will it completely block the signal from returning to the officer? or will it tell the officer that it's being blocked? Can you get in trouble for blocking their signal?

Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 18:02 UTC#6

It's illegal to block radar. Laser on the other hand is not.

Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 18:39 UTC#7

LASER jammers do just that, jam the laser. so the officer would see a funky readout, probably error even. Would have to reset and re laser the vehicle. By which time you can have adjusted your speed and turned off the jamming. at least that is how the manufacturer describes it. Also, I was thinking about this a bit more and dont really believe you got cited for 1 mph over the speed limit. Could you scan a copy of your ticket, cut out your personal info, and link the image here?

Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 21:39 UTC#8

I don't care if the cop knows he's being jammed since there's nothing they can do about jamming lasers. I just want enough time to make sure I'm way below the limit.

 

I wasn't the one that got the 1 MPH ticket. It was a friend of mine. If you don't believe me, that's fine. I didn't ask him for proof when he told me, but ask anyone that lives in Lexington, Ky. I've heard the same things from tons of people. Usually the tickets are for about 3 over.

 

As far as defending the ticket, yeah you might be able to beat it, but they have a nice gotcha in Lexington. If you lose, it costs you even more. They charge even more court costs, and the time off work costs more than the ticket.

Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 23:33 UTC#9

tillithz, I got a ticket 3 years ago in florida for going 67 in a 65 zone on I-95. it was a construction zone so it automatically was $125. Thank God it was a Sunday, cause if workers were present it wouldve been $250! My wife couldnt believe it either. 2 mph over and i got a ticket.

Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 23:38 UTC#10

perfect examples of fighting a ticket. margin of error... speedo says... i mean thats crazy.

Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 23:41 UTC#11
perfect examples of fighting a ticket. margin of error... speedo says... i mean thats crazy.

LOL The Florida State Trooper knew this NYC yankee bastard wasnt going to come back to FL in a few weeks to fight the ticket!

Posted Feb 06, 2007 · 23:42 UTC#12

trial by decleration

Posted Feb 07, 2007 · 05:56 UTC#13

What happens with laser guns is (even the best ones) will simply not lock on when being jammed.. I'm no expert but I have read LOTS of material on the issue, as well as seen countless videos of jammers being used (mostly agains the Kustom Prolaser III which is one of the best, and most commonly used laser guns available to most Law enforcement.

 

The unit will not register a speed, and the laser detector accompanying the jammer will go absolutely apeshit.. depending on the mounting of the jammer, reflective surfaces, and believe it or not COLOR of your car, the cop will take some time to get a reading. The display will be pretty much blank for the cop until you get close. In some cases, like if you have a black, curvy car, and/or a really well set up jammer system, you will punch through (ie. not register a speed) right up until you are face to face with the cop lasering you.

 

The whole idea here is that you slow down to well below the posted speed limit when your laser detector goes off, and even if the cop manages to lock in a reading, you will have slowed down.

 

I'd say on average the, a good jammer will give you about 5 to 7 seconds maybe? which is plenty of time to slow down. A laser detector without a jammer is useless because by the time it alerts you, the cop has got your speed, and you're about to be pulled over.

 

I hope this info helps, and if theres anything more I can add, please lemme know.

 

as far as a ticket for 3mph over? that's the most rediculous thing i've ever heard. fight it in court and simply ask the cop (upon cross-examination) if he was able to visually estimate your speed prior to lasering you. He will probably say "yes, i visually observed the defendant's vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed or ~60mph" or something to the like and all you'll have to do is ask him if he can visually tell the difference between 55 and 56, then ask if he can tell diff between 56 and 57, then 57 and 58. If he says yes to any of the above, tell him he is supercop, because that is impossible. If he is honest, he will say no, and you do not need to ask any further questions to jeopardize your argument. When he leaves the stand, tell the judge that it would have been impossible for him to visually estimate your speed prior to obtaining it from the laser unit, and that you do not feel that this speeding charge was properly justified/laid.

 

As for speedometer error, it may be true, but i would not use it in court. The first thing the prosecuting attorney will ask is 1) has your speedometer been calibrated (of course, you'll say no, unless you're driving a land speed test vehicle, or a police interceptor), and if he has balls, he might go on to say that 2) you could have a speedo in your car that says you were doing 40, but its still your obligation to drive within the posted speed limit, and bottom line, that laser unit gets tested twice for every session in which its used.

 

I hope this info helps you, and best of luck!

 

If you have any questions, I can do my best to help solve them for you!

 

PS- in ontario, anything less than 15km/h over isn't considered speeding. Meaning, they can't really charge you. I've heard of cases, but its absolutely rediculous. Cops and judges here recognize that you're not posing a threat by driving up to 10km/h (8mph?) over the limit because it would be nearly impossible to limit your speed to EXACTLY the posted speed limit. There are moments (ie, going down a hill, or before you begin to decelerate) that ANY honest citizen will be going a little over the speed limit........ sorry to hear that they are so anile in your state.

Posted Feb 07, 2007 · 12:39 UTC#14

In NY, if you try to get away with going the speed limit of 55, you'll get run off the road. NOBODY goes 55. The mininum you should drive at is 65. People don't get pulled over for that.

Posted Feb 07, 2007 · 15:51 UTC#15

good info slyk.

 

I wasnt suggesting that someone should fight their ticket persay on the fact that their speedo is off. Thats no excuse for speeding. Merely mentioned it as a token of how crazy a ticket for 1 mph over is.

Posted Feb 08, 2007 · 01:00 UTC#16
In NY, if you try to get away with going the speed limit of 55, you'll get run off the road. NOBODY goes 55. The mininum you should drive at is 65. People don't get pulled over for that.

In the city, the highways are only 50mph limits! :shock:

Posted Feb 08, 2007 · 01:10 UTC#17

I've heard a case where an senior citizen got a $100+ ticket for impeding traffic - Only thing is, he was driving the speed limit! The flow of traffic was much higher I guess, and the cop felt like he was slowing people down!!! This was in the paper here a few years ago. I'm sure the Ontario Crown Attorney's office probably didn't even bother fighting that one.. heh, you thought a ticket for 1mph over is crazy..

 

I was at a career fair hosted by my university today, and there were over 250 different employers there scouting and recruiting talent from our school and our sister schools (one of which has a really good Police foundations program), including the Local PD, PD's from all across the province, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. I was tempted to ask stupid questions about giving tickets, but I figured: They have guns/tasers. I'm a university student. I'll just be on my way. Stupid cops.

Posted Feb 08, 2007 · 04:40 UTC#18

Slyk,

 

It sounds like the policy where you are actually makes sense.

 

When I got my ticket, the only reason I was going a little faster than the limit was I was trying to get around a semi truck so I could exit off the interstate. I saw the cop, so there's no way I would have been speeding excessively. I never dreamed he'd give me a ticket for 3 over. That jackass cost me $187.50.

 

In my state, they set it up to make it near impossible to fight. If you go to court and lose, they charge another 100 bucks of clerical costs, and they only report 10 MPH or higher over the limit as a moving violation, so most people just pay the ticket since the insurance company never finds out.

 

I have fought tickets and won before. I used to always do that, but now I just can't afford the time it takes. It really burns me to pay them too.

Posted Feb 08, 2007 · 04:47 UTC#19
Slyk,

 

It sounds like the policy where you are actually makes sense.

 

When I got my ticket, the only reason I was going a little faster than the limit was I was trying to get around a semi truck so I could exit off the interstate. I saw the cop, so there's no way I would have been speeding excessively. I never dreamed he'd give me a ticket for 3 over. That jackass cost me $187.50.

 

In my state, they set it up to make it near impossible to fight. If you go to court and lose, they charge another 100 bucks of clerical costs, and they only report 10 MPH or higher over the limit as a moving violation, so most people just pay the ticket since the insurance company never finds out.

 

I have fought tickets and won before. I used to always do that, but now I just can't afford the time it takes. It really burns me to pay them too.

 

I am really sorry to hear that, radiogeek... That is probably the most unfair system... Speeding tickets in general are a pretty big cash grab, and most traffic courts are extremely unevenly biased, but where you are sounds like a pretty hellish place to drive. It would make me personally get a little bit paranoid (moreso than I already do here) every time I see a cop on the streets. By the sounds of it, it might ACTUALLY be cheaper for you to get a good laser jammer, and a Valentine 1 radar detector or something of the like, so at least you can get a chance to slow down from 58 to like 45 where you know you won't get in trouble.

Posted Mar 19, 2007 · 16:29 UTC#20

A few years ago I got 2 tickets for speeding in my hometown with a Toyota Supra. The first one was a 60 in a 30 caught with radar, and then I bought a Passport 8500 x50 which saved me numerous times until a month after the first ticket I got caught with laser doing 56 in a 30. I challenged both tickets because I have more time than money and both tickets were addressed at the same time when the asst prosecutor looked at the tickets for 2 minutes and reduced $400 in fines to $100 with only one conviction which hardly even affected my insurance rates.

Posted Mar 19, 2007 · 19:38 UTC#21
A few years ago I got 2 tickets for speeding in my hometown with a Toyota Supra. The first one was a 60 in a 30 caught with radar, and then I bought a Passport 8500 x50 which saved me numerous times until a month after the first ticket I got caught with laser doing 56 in a 30. I challenged both tickets because I have more time than money and both tickets were addressed at the same time when the asst prosecutor looked at the tickets for 2 minutes and reduced $400 in fines to $100 with only one conviction which hardly even affected my insurance rates.

 

Yeah in some cases, the prosecutor will do this, other times, if you're looking for a reduction, you can approach them and explain to them that you would like to make their day shorter and easier, and that you will accept a guilty plea to a lesser fine/points and if they're reasonable (and if your request is reasonable to them), they'll usually do it, so that they can go home earlier with some convictions. They still get a conviction and they have to put less work into it, and its less risky than taking it to trial fully, where they have to work more and there is a risk of them losing altogether. Usually if you're accepting a plea bargain you can go first too because they'll wanna get all the guilty pleas out of the way first, and that way you'll get to go home much earlier. I was in and out in 15 minutes once this way. About 5 mins talking with the Crown Prosecutor, 6 or 7 minutes waiting, and about 3 minutes pleading guilty lol.

Posted Mar 19, 2007 · 20:44 UTC#22

i want the k40 detector and jammer....its practically undetectable in your car, the detectors are in the license plate frames they give you.....plus k40 will pay for any tickets you get while the system is in your car...

Posted Mar 19, 2007 · 21:17 UTC#23

the blinder M20 and M40 are just as good, if not better... Can be had on ebay for relatively cheap, brand new.

Posted Apr 25, 2007 · 21:38 UTC#24

I want the ED-209. This way I can have a killer robot following me around that will sometimes malfunction and kill people with guns. :lol:

 

Here is a link to the ED-209 for anyone that hasent seen it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS this was a joke try not to get bent out of shape over it, I'm not saying I want to kill cops cause I actualy do like them...

Posted Apr 26, 2007 · 02:48 UTC#25

I got pulled over yesterday.. Cop turned out to be an old buddy of mine, we had a chat... Some kid died on Monday racing on a huge, allegedly popular street (the limit is too low on that street but everyone treats it like a freeway anyway)... I also found out from him that one of our friends caught some air on a hilly road and lost control of the car, hit an embankment, flipped the car end over end and then it rolled in a field a few times before coming to a rest. The 2 kids inside were lucky to be alive. One was in a coma until a couple days ago and has some issues, the other (our friend) is still in critical condition.

 

A lot of accidents are caused by the speed and inexperience combo... but even if you're experienced, speeding obviously adds to the injury and damage that can occur, even if you're not at fault. I am not against the police or speeding/safety enforcement, I just tend to think they can go about it better..

 

Hey two-cold.. another friend of mine wrecked his Camry and said that the airbags didn't hurt any of his occupants at all.. There was no force when they came out, they just came out VERY quickly and then became nice and comfortably soft to cushion their impact.. They didn't even feel the airbags come out when they wrapped around a pole. So I'm not sure, but maybe your system won't knock out a theif? Just a thought... its sure as hell going to surprise them, and they'll probably lose control... but yeah I'm just wondering about that still

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