i am trying to get clarification on whether the unit allows for direct control of the iphone music library through the lightning cable WITHOUT using appradio mode. i currently have an avic1500 and if i want to control the music library (wired and not through bluetooth) i am forced to use carmedia player (or other app through appradio mode) assuming i want to keep lightning connection and not go to a 30pin/lightening adapter.

it's my understanding that the 8000NEX will allow me to control iphone music directly when the phone is plugged in without having to first engage appradio mode. is this indeed the case?

any clarification from users/owners would be appreciated

Yea you can connect with the lightning cable using USB port 1. And I can see my music list on the screen as well as go to artist, song, album etc.

I want to add (and this might just be me) that if I have the apple av adapter connected to hdmi AND the lightning cable to USB that I CANT see the iPod through USB input 1. It simply gives me incompatible device error message. Also, I have the 4000 but that shouldn't make a difference!

Ok all of you guys with the new units lets start seeing some Youtube vids of them in action.

I am getting the same message. Incompatible device.

So was it working for you at one point then just stopped? Tonight I even tried connecting lightning cable from phone straight to USB 1 to see if the adapter was the cause of the problem and got the same error message. It actually reads "incompatible usb"

Guys your going to have to choose one or the other: either app mode-CMP/no native iPod, or no app mode and have use of the native iPod function. It's not going to give you both. At least that's the way I understand it.

Guys your going to have to choose one or the other: either app mode-CMP/no native iPod, or no app mode and have use of the native iPod function. It's not going to give you both. At least that's the way I understand it.

This is correct, however you also have the 3rd choice of bluetooth streaming, but again you must choose this in the setup menu.  I am very disappointed in how this works, plus the setting affects both usb ports if your trying to use say an iPod classic on usb 2

thanks all, so deciphering, it appears that the setup is essentially the same as with my avic z150 - if i want direct control of the iphone/ipod WITHOUT using appradio mode then i connect usb to lightning. however if i want all the video features, full connection available through hdmi/lightning connection I CAN NOT access iphone/ipod music directly. and switching from one to the other requires going into the setup menus and switching inputs. so basically the same stupid setup that does not allow for direct control of an iphone's music library AND the features of appradio. too bad...

I agree, not digging this at all...

I have an 8000 unit, with an iPhone 5s.  I am not digging the 8000's inability to natively access your music library (iPod 1 or 2 source) when using the digital AV adapter, but I will say that your music library will be accessed more frequently than your apps, while driving.  I assure you.

I tried app mode, saw how ridiculously flawed it is, so I just stopped using it, and am now just using the lightning cable directly.  Do I consider it a loss???  Meh....not really.  The NEX units work wonderfully with Siri, and that's plenty convenient in its own right. 

I have an 8000 unit, with an iPhone 5s.  I am not digging the 8000's inability to natively access your music library (iPod 1 or 2 source) when using the digital AV adapter, but I will say that your music library will be accessed more frequently than your apps, while driving.  I assure you.

 

I tried app mode, saw how ridiculously flawed it is, so I just stopped using it, and am now just using the lightning cable directly.  Do I consider it a loss???  Meh....not really.  The NEX units work wonderfully with Siri, and that's plenty convenient in its own right. 

I agree with you completely, can I ask, does your music remember where you left off when switching sources or cycling the ignition or does it start off at the the first artist?

It does actually....Try USB 2, as opposed to USB1.  You would think that USB's are USB's but there is a difference between the two ports....

USB 1 can be used for data migration (firmware updates, importing pictures, etc), while USB 2 cannot.

USB 2 can remember where you left off on an iPod or mp3 player, and USB 1 cannot.

No idea what's up with that myself but.......it is what it is.  Specifies this in the user manual, would've been nice if we all had more notice

Bluetooth Audio is also pretty nice, but apparently my PAC-Audio steering wheel module doesn't play nice when under Bluetooth!?  When I change the volume down then up REAL FAST.....it switches the source?!?!!??

But only does this under Bluetooth, and no other source.....weird!

I try changing the volume rapidly on the radio itself.....no problems.....so I'm left to assume that it's just my steering wheel module.  Oh well.  Wired works and sounds better anyway.

It does actually....Try USB 2, as opposed to USB1.  You would think that USB's are USB's but there is a difference between the two ports....

 

USB 1 can be used for data migration (firmware updates, importing pictures, etc), while USB 2 cannot.

 

USB 2 can remember where you left off on an iPod or mp3 player, and USB 1 cannot.

 

No idea what's up with that myself but.......it is what it is.  Specifies this in the user manual, would've been nice if we all had more notice

Sadly I am using USB 2 for the iPod, I use USB 1 for my iPhone

hmmmmm.....yeah, you got me on that one.

o.k. so I have experimented with this a little more this morning, I have tried both usb ports, tried complete reset of the iPod and changed the few settings that the iPod has with the same results, I have looked through all the settings in the aivc but still with 1 quick ignition cycle the music starts off at the beginning.  The other thing I have found is that my iPhone connected to usb 1 does remember its place with ignition, however using Pandora, then switching back to iPod mode (on the iPhone) looses its place which I have confirmed with Pioneer is proper believe it or not.  Unless I cannot resolve this I think this thing is going back.  I really like it other wise but I primarily use my iPod for music as it stores tons with no data usage and higher audio quality but having the go through all the menus to find the same song again is driving me mental.  I believe that this iPod is the generation just before the current one, can someone with an iPod classic please take a minute to confirm if theirs acts the same way???

o.k. so I have experimented with this a little more this morning, I have tried both usb ports, tried complete reset of the iPod and changed the few settings that the iPod has with the same results, I have looked through all the settings in the aivc but still with 1 quick ignition cycle the music starts off at the beginning.  The other thing I have found is that my iPhone connected to usb 1 does remember its place with ignition, however using Pandora, then switching back to iPod mode (on the iPhone) looses its place which I have confirmed with Pioneer is proper believe it or not.  Unless I cannot resolve this I think this thing is going back.  I really like it other wise but I primarily use my iPod for music as it stores tons with no data usage and higher audio quality but having the go through all the menus to find the same song again is driving me mental.  I believe that this iPod is the generation just before the current one, can someone with an iPod classic please take a minute to confirm if theirs acts the same way???

I have an iPod classic current gen and it always continues at the spot left off. It is in USB1. I wouldn't think that the gen of the iPod matters, but it's the version of software on the iPod. I believe I am 2.04 is what I have. I hope this helps

o.k. thanks so much, that gives me hope, I don't know the version but I know the software is up to date, I will have to get my hands on another iPod and see what's going on...

The Pandora thing is kind of a PITA as far as i'm concerned. I have 2 iPods connected to my head unit. 1 for music and 1 for Audible. And i have my iPhone 5 using BT for Siri (sending emails and texts) and for phone use (i don't want all my music on my smaller 32GB iPhone as it stores lot of apps, some basic music, pictures i take, etc... wouldn't be enough room for the music i want to have access to in the car). I don't use the AppRadio stuff nor anything else. My iPhone is not plugged in, in any way, to my head unit (8000nex). 

My idea was the following:

iPod1 (iPod touch 64GB all my music)

iPod2 (iPod touch 32GB with my audiobooks)

iPhone via BT for Pandora

I originally had my smartphone setup as Other -> USB (when i initially tried to set it up as iPhone/iPod->AV or USB, etc.. it wouldn't do anything the way i wanted). However i couldn't do any Pandora or aha. However iPod1 and iPod 2 ALWAYS remembered the correct spot when i switched back and forth or after power cycles (leaving for work in the morning, or back home after work, etc...)Then i changed my smartphone back to iPhone/iPod -> USB. And Pandora and aha was now accessible. I was told that Pandora uses iPod1 and must be USB AND BT (Pandora uses the BT and the Music app uses USB)

I still have my Siri, both iPods work. The Pandora label is there.  I can click on the Pandora button and it launches Pandora on my ipod1. Now, if i'm at home or near a totally open wifi and my iPod1 connects to wifi Pandora will play. If i turn on Local Hotspot on my iPhone and connect my iPod1 to it, then Pandora will work no problems too. Awesome right? Wrong. Once "Pandora" is allowed it now decides that it is the DEFAULT action of my iPod1. So i get in the car, turn it to iPod1 (from SiriusXM) and it jumps to playing Pandora (not using the Pandora feature of the 8000nex), but it tells my ipod1 to start playing the Pandora app and it plays over USB. I then have to click on the categories button and choose a playlist for example. Listen to some ACDC as i jam to the store. Turn the car off, grab some gas or food or whatever and then get back in the car. Crank up the car and bam! it's back in Pandora Mode. Totally ignores that i was listening to the Music App and some play list.. I have to go back to the categories and choose the playlist again and start the song all over again. 

So i have 2 options. Don't use Pandora at all (and possibly redo my smartphone setup to Other -> USB so it's not even an option - which worked amazingly well), or deal with the fact that it's gonna want to select Pandora and lose my playlist every time i choose iPod1. I'm hoping this is some kind of glitch and Pioneer will fix it. But i'm not holding my breath on that one. I would love to use Pandora, but i have plenty of music on my iPod so it's not a deal breaker. The only other thing i can think of is to grab my iPod1 after i do enjoy some Pandora and possibly kill the app on the iPod and hopefully when i switch back to iPod1 the 8000nex won't decided to try and start the Pandora app. Not really sure what's best here. Need to do some more testing tonight at home. 

I always have the option i guess of connecting the iPhone to iPod1 via USB and using it that way, however i like to jump in my car and just drive. I don't want to have to always plug my phone in just to go down the street or to the gym, or even to work, simply to have some music. I could indeed put some music on my Audiobook iPod2 but i like the ability to switch between Music and my Audiobook i'm listening too, without having to pull out my iPod2 from the console and navigate around the thing choosing a different app and such when theoretically i can do this from the head unit by having 2 different iPods. 

So even though they are trying to allow you to do some stuff from the head unit, you still have to be willing to grab the phone and change apps. Even in the traditional setup with 1 iPhone in USB 1 with USB setup in the smartphone setup, you could launch Pandora from the head unit, but if you wanted to go back to your music, you would then have to select USB1 on the head unit, then on the phone switch over to the Music App and choose a playlist and a new song (both of which is starting from scratch again). So even in the most basic of setups, it appears something isn't right in Kansas with the programing, and you can't just switch easily between music and Pandora. Maybe if you were ONLY a music person or ONLY a Pandora person this might be satisfactory. But heaven forbid if you actually enjoy both. 

Anyone else out there have similar experiences or gotten something to work properly (completely properly) in the scenario i'm trying to setup?

I have some other posts about iPods forgetting their place.  I have an iPhone connected to usb 1 and an iPod classic connected to usb 2, smartphone setup to usb/iphone.  If I play pandora, then switch back to iPod mode (the phones iPod) it actually continues to play pandora and show that information on the screen outside of saying iPod on the top, after you reselect your music then is goes back to normal, this is a huge pita that is driving me nuts.  I called Pioneer and they say that this is normal but the lady really didn't sound very bright as I had to explain this about 20 times.  The other problem I have is the iPod classic will always loose it's place after an ignition cycle however someone else reported that they do not have this problem so maybe that ones just related to me.

I have some other posts about iPods forgetting their place.  I have an iPhone connected to usb 1 and an iPod classic connected to usb 2, smartphone setup to usb/iphone.  If I play pandora, then switch back to iPod mode (the phones iPod) it actually continues to play pandora and show that information on the screen outside of saying iPod on the top, after you reselect your music then is goes back to normal, this is a huge pita that is driving me nuts.  I called Pioneer and they say that this is normal but the lady really didn't sound very bright as I had to explain this about 20 times.  The other problem I have is the iPod classic will always loose it's place after an ignition cycle however someone else reported that they do not have this problem so maybe that ones just related to me.

My iPod touch on USB2 always remembers it's place. However its running the Audible app. I haven't tested it with Music. I'll do that tonight and see if it still works the same way. 

Figured out it was the iPod, I was using a 5th Generation 80 gig, changing to a Classic 80 gig it works perfectly

Figured out it was the iPod, I was using a 5th Generation 80 gig, changing to a Classic 80 gig it works perfectly

Yup. I tested my iPod2 with music (instead of Audible) and it perfectly remembered my spot. 

Really interesting what you guys are posting here, now I have a better picture of what NEX can or cannot do.

My question here is, let's say I want to use USB1 as a regular ipod (USB to lightning), but USB2 for appradio - or viceversa.  Will the unit let me do that? Or, by selecting appradio on one will automatically select that option on the other?