Where did you get info that Air Play was achieved over BT?

CarPlay will require you to connect over Lightning.

Where did you get info that Air Play was achieved over BT?

No where in the installation or owners manual does the nex list any kind of wireless specifications or antennas, my guess would be through the lightning cable, but airplay can be done through Bluetooth as it is done on home stereos and other devices. It will remain to be seen if airplay could be done to the nex. Summertime wil answer our questions

The NEX does airplay. Next time you get a call pull up your settings bar on the iphone and AIRPLAY will be highlighted. It will AVIC-8000NEX, IPHONE, or IPHONE SPEAKER. havent tried it with music yet. Ill check in a few when im on my break

Just because something shows in the widget doesn't mean it uses AirPlay. Bluetooth A2DP and USB/Dock audio out are included in the widget and don't use AirPlay.

But the key part of AirPlay is the real-time video/audio compression and streaming, with some tech to handle discovery and connections to devices. It doesn't have to be done over Wifi. I should probably clarify that I'm referencing the streaming media part of AirPlay, and not the discovery/connection part, although that might be similar for CarPlay over wifi if it appears.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/09/hidden-ios-7-beta-option-points-to-ios-in-the-car-airplay-support-over-wi-fi

Ok, Air Play uses WiFi only. BT does not support the bandwidth for video so Car Play is not using Air Play and will never be wireless unless the units support WiFi. I understand Car Play may support wireless with iOS8 but that means nothing if the unit doesn't support WiFi.

And more specifically, Wifi Direct would be the way it is done, rather than a standard access point.

I saw the list of compatible model (see below), any reason why an AppRadio 2 would not be compatible with this new protocol? I bought my AppRadio2 only 6 months ago, would be very disappointed if it is not compatible with this new unit in my car...

At this point there is no reason to assume that pioneer will create an upgrade for Appradio 2 or 3 for car play. This could be because of many reasons but here are a few:

The interface port on the back of the HU may not support the information transfer that is needed for car play.

Pioneer does not want to write an additional firmware update for Appradio to make car play work.

Apple said the hardware in the app radio was not on par with their requirements and would not licenses Car play to work on the Appradio.

Pioneer may want to phase out the app radio line and by providing an update they extend the life of something they want to end.

All you can do is wait and hope they offer an upgrade and if they do not, you can sale your unit for what ever you can get and buy the one that supports Car Play.   I am thinking about doing that now just because I miss the Aux in that App Radio does not have.

Apple built the basic framework for CarPlay as a kit meant to be ported to various QNX deployments. You'll notice every car manufacturer signed up to have CarPlay in their vehicles is using QNX for the in car entertainment.

I suspect Apple's licensing requirements for CarPlay includes being certified by Apple, and probably requires the host device to implement CarPlay using an SDK provided and signed by Apple.

Don't hold your breath for CarPlay on non-QNX devices in the near future. Expect to have to plug in a Lightning cable to use it in first generation devices.

So, basically, if I do understand you, I'll have to buy a head unit of $700-1500 just to have CarPlay? That's basically the price of the NEX series...

How do we know which firmware is used in an AppRadio 2? Is it QNX or something else? 

I know Apple, and I also know they have high requirements when you want to connect one of their devices to another devices. They are picky! 

Only thing I regret, is having bought an AppRadio before CarPlay was available. I feel like I've been cheated somehow...

The Car Play compatible units have already been announced and the AR units aren't included. Until Pionner says otherwise, no AR units will be updated. You always run the risk of buying into obsolete tech within months of purchasing.

So, basically, if I do understand you, I'll have to buy a head unit of $700-1500 just to have CarPlay? That's basically the price of the NEX series...

 

How do we know which firmware is used in an AppRadio 2? Is it QNX or something else? 

 

I know Apple, and I also know they have high requirements when you want to connect one of their devices to another devices. They are picky! 

 

Only thing I regret, is having bought an AppRadio before CarPlay was available. I feel like I've been cheated somehow...

The only way you would be cheated, is if you paid any higher than $400 for that AppRadio2. You spent half as much as someone buying the cheapest NEX unit. Take that saved $300, and buy yourself a DAMN nice iPhone dash mount

The only way you would be cheated, is if you paid any higher than $400 for that AppRadio2. You spent half as much as someone buying the cheapest NEX unit. Take that saved $300, and buy yourself a DAMN nice iPhone dash mount

Let just say that when I fought it, the vendor told me it was developed for iPhone initially and that was the best choice for me. That is why I feel cheated!

I paid $300 for the unit, plus installation cost. But it does not deliver half of the functionality I was expecting to have with a painless usage. Half of the time, it does not sync with the iPhone, and I have to go to the iPhone and kill the AppRadio app to have it start normally. Just the fact that I must "allow" the app (so getting to the iPhone while launching the unit) is a bugging mess... And I do not even say that with iOS 7 and Lightning connector, the iPod functionality is not even working normally. That sucks, really...

Let just say that when I fought it, the vendor told me it was developed for iPhone initially and that was the best choice for me. That is why I feel cheated!

 

I paid $300 for the unit, plus installation cost. But it does not deliver half of the functionality I was expecting to have with a painless usage. Half of the time, it does not sync with the iPhone, and I have to go to the iPhone and kill the AppRadio app to have it start normally. Just the fact that I must "allow" the app (so getting to the iPhone while launching the unit) is a bugging mess... And I do not even say that with iOS 7 and Lightning connector, the iPod functionality is not even working normally. That sucks, really...

I understand your frustration as all of these things you mentioned are frustrating. The problem, however, is that they have nothing to do with the fact that CarPlay is not supported on your radio. All of these problems you mention exist whether or not CarPlay was coming to the NEX series. If these problems frustrated you so much, you should have returned the unit while you still could and got something different. I guess I just don't see how you can feel "cheated" for these reasons as they have nothing to do with CarPlay. Any time you buy technology nowadays you should understand that in a couple months to a year, something "bigger and better" will be released and you will no longer have the "latest and greatest." This is how it is with all tech toys. If you want the latest features, sell your radio for what you can and pay the difference for the new radio.

And this is why I waited. I was going to purchase the Z150. But I waited and this awesome unit from the gods came down upon us.

Let just say that when I fought it, the vendor told me it was developed for iPhone initially and that was the best choice for me. That is why I feel cheated!

 

I paid $300 for the unit, plus installation cost. But it does not deliver half of the functionality I was expecting to have with a painless usage. Half of the time, it does not sync with the iPhone, and I have to go to the iPhone and kill the AppRadio app to have it start normally. Just the fact that I must "allow" the app (so getting to the iPhone while launching the unit) is a bugging mess... And I do not even say that with iOS 7 and Lightning connector, the iPod functionality is not even working normally. That sucks, really...

I dunno maybe it's me, I play with a unit before I buy it, I had a z2 and it took the nex to finally let go of my z2. Never keep what doesn't make you happier.

No company is ever going to detail their roadmap of upcoming products (barring companies like Intel who only have obvious ways forward) otherwise people would never buy their current products as they'd always hold off for the next one.

That's just how the world of technology works I'm afraid.

I dunno maybe it's me, I play with a unit before I buy it, I had a z2 and it took the nex to finally let go of my z2. Never keep what doesn't make you happier.

I played with it, with an iPhone 4. With a 30 pin connector iDevice, it is working well. At least for the iPod function.

When I upgraded to a 5S, the unit stopped working with the iPod function, and then it started to become a nightmare to use... If at least Pioneer could update it for a good support of the iPod function, that would be great.

They have, they offered an upgrade to support i5 devices when the original design had no knowledge that it would be needed.

They have, they offered an upgrade to support i5 devices when the original design had no knowledge that it would be needed.

Yea, sure, but not one that respect the original design... it is what I call a patch...

They didn't have to do anything at all. Kenwood didn't!

That said, they also said they were to announce a new set of models at a lower price than the NEX series. I hope this will happen soon...

Instead of it being called App Radio 4, they'll probably call it CarPlay Radio. A radio that's intended JUST for carplay, with an FM radio. More than likely it will be more expensive than App Radio, because they would have to pay Apple royalties, but it would have to be cheaper than the AVH-4000.

$500 would be a reasonable price point to me, if it were to have a glass capacitive screen and the CPU/RAM necessary to delivery the carplay experience smoothly. If it can do those things, then I may just have to buy one for my wife's Tucson.

That does make sense but it will still have Pioneer app mode.

They didn't have to do anything at all. Kenwood didn't!

To be fair, with a couple exceptions Kenwood wasn't relying on the analog audio out from the dock connector to pull audio across. Pioneer was. Which is weird, since Pioneer was using the iPod over USB protocol to control the iPhone, but wasn't pulling the uncompressed audio which has been supported for years and years.

That does make sense but it will still have Pioneer app mode.

Agreed, it doesn't make sense to ditch AppRadio. Not when it works with Android + iOS, and they can lure devs like Waze who can't yet integrate into CarPlay.