I guess it all depends on what you want to do doesn't it?

 

How about playing SACD or DVD-A discs? Wiring KEF speakers in for full 7.1 audio in DTS-HD?

 

As I said, I have a HTPC running through my AV and it gets a lot of use, but it's no replacement for my OPPO Bluray player. Best of both worlds...

I have a blu ray burner, Pioneer's most recent best, don't remember the model number offhand.  Cannot only read those, and a lot other types, I can burn 'em too.

And my system is 7.1 audio... everything doubled: 14 JBL studio monitors, two JBL 2269H 18" drivers in self designed and constructed cabinets... they literally shake the house.  I only realize it in other areas of the house because when I'm in my theater room, it shakes me, too!!!

This is reflected by their opting to not go with a major player in GPS navigation.  If they had gone with Garmin, they could have included HD Digital Traffic and not even have to depend on a SmartPhone for data transfer.

The navi software Pioneer is using for the new units is based on iGo which is one of the bigest navi apps in the world so they are going with a major player here. And Pio cant use Garmin sense they are in bed with Kenwood.

The navi software Pioneer is using for the new units is based on iGo which is one of the bigest navi apps in the world so they are going with a major player here. And Pio cant use Garmin sense they are in bed with Kenwood.

I thought it was Nokia here maps?

I thought it was Nokia here maps?

Yep, it's Here navigation from Nokia (http://www.nokia.com/global/apps/lumia/here/#) (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/NEX/AVIC-8000NEX). Nokia bought Navteq back in 2007, so its mapping is relatively robust (http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/10/the-forgotten-mapmaker-nokia-has-better-maps-than-apple-and-maybe-even-google/263150/).

I have a blu ray burner, Pioneer's most recent best, don't remember the model number offhand. Cannot only read those, and a lot other types, I can burn 'em too.

 

Since 2008 Sony have refused to license the DSD hardware decrypter for any PC based drives as they aren't secure.

They don't make one and yet they let Pioneer?!

Maps and navi software are two different things guys.

Maps and navi software are two different things guys.

You're right, of course. For whatever reason, Pioneer has decided to highlight and advertise the Here maps, while not mentioning who is behind the navigation software (http://www.nng.com/markets/automotive). And since this is a thread about advertised features . . .

Really? Could you get hold of the model number of this mythical SACD reader / burner? You'll make a lot of people happy if this is real.

 

Since 2008 Sony have refused to license the DSD hardware decrypter for any PC based drives as they aren't secure.

 

They don't make one and yet they let Pioneer?!

Busted!!!

But I should note it was not my intent to mislead.  Just a bit too overzealous and didn't confirm. But then again, it was a loaded question from the get-go, and you knew it.  BTW, it don't read DVD-A either.

In a perhaps sad attempt to save face, I'll offer the following:

Wikipedia states "...research published in 2007 found no significant difference in audio quality between SACD and standard CD at ordinary volume levels." Source: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=14195

And regarding both formats, there is the issue of available titles, not to mention both are essentially dead formats... especially with the wider acceptance of blu ray.

Then getting back to the topic, from my viewpoint it seems a bit contradictory on your part to even bring up SACD and DVD-A when you're taking the stance the difference between lossless and 320kbps mp3 audio qality is imperceptible!

Multichannel Audio, that's the only reason.

I have 8,000+ CDs, all ripped to lossless (ALAC) and held on multi TB RAID storage, in the house they get played like that through the Sonos, however I find myself having less and less time to listen to audio in the house so most of my music listening is done in the car on the commute to work or in the office through my iDevice and headphones.

For those purposes I rip to lower bitrate AAC files and I'll be honest I struggle to tell the difference in a noisy environment when I'm not listening intently as it's "background" music, hence my original comment about car environments and lossless audio.

However SACD & DVD-A being the precursor to Bluray have a number of classic albums which are only available in multichannel audio on those formats, I have upwards of 100 of those discs which can only be listened to on a dedicated player through an AV Receiver (OPPO & Denon in my case).

Hence my "best of both worlds" comments...

Nothing wrong with having the best of both worlds... which leads back to my earlier comment about the pros and cons.  Discrete multichannel from audio only media is one of the cons, but not a deal breaker.  All my content, be it stereo or 5.1 gets 'virtualized' to 7.1 through Dolby Pro IIx processing.

So we're back to the more relevant issue.  Porting phones has become a major feature and selling point for head unit manufacturers.  The next step in car infotainment systems could simply be a dock type interface for the portable device of one's choosing.  Perhaps even wireless.  To some degree, one can already do it if they wanted.  For example, take a Rockford Fosgate 3sixty.3 and stream audio over bluetooth and completely go without a head unit.  Yes there likely are limitations... but it seems we consumers run into that no matter what route we decide to take...

Guys were completly off topic here. Let's get back to the thread discussion.

Sure.  Any new news?

I have been following technology for many, many years. And yes, I do know Pioneer very well. I regularly attend CES, and I was at CES when Pioneer anounced the NEX line of recievers. As an Apple developer, I have been fortunate to attend their WWDC for the last few years, and I was at the event that announced CarPay in 2013. I am fully aware of the timing of both, and Pioneer did not commit to adding CarPay to the NEX line until their April announcement.

 

If I read your post correctly, you are actually agreeing with my assessment. That some are having unrealistic expectations about a feature that was announced to be delivered in a time frame that has not yet expired.

no we are not on the same page here and i don't agree. If you need to hire more help to stay on schedule that is what you have to do. there is no excuses in the professional work world for something like this. i can understand a small companies and kick starter project giving month based release time frames. Pioneer is none of that and continues to live up to a less then desirable standard. it reminds me of the early 2000's where MS would delay and delay and totally miss the mark when the product was actually released. 

So with all the comments

Some have said they spoke with pioneer and was told it was coming along side of the car play update.

Some say it's delayed because of carplay

Some say it will be released end of year

Some say it's delayed because devopers pulled out

I spoke with pioneer back in April and it was due soon is all I was told

So many different says. Who's to believe what? Lol

We should all call pioneer and flood them with the big question. When and why is this app that completes the functionality of the nex not released yet. Will it be with ca

rplay or is it on the backburner and put on hold for carplay.

Call call call let's go flood em with calls

So with all the comments

Some have said they spoke with pioneer and was told it was coming along side of the car play update.

Some say it's delayed because of carplay

Some say it will be released end of year

Some say it's delayed because devopers pulled out

I spoke with pioneer back in April and it was due soon is all I was told

So many different says. Who's to believe what? Lol

We should all call pioneer and flood them with the big question. When and why is this app that completes the functionality of the nex not released yet. Will it be with ca

rplay or is it on the backburner and put on hold for carplay.

Call call call let's go flood em with calls

Guys, pleas remember when you call Pioneer and ask a question, you are not getting an official response. You are talking to some customer support person who would not have the inside scoop on release dates. 10 of us can call, and we may get 10 different answers. The only information you can hold them to is their official press releases and the web site info. Anything else is colored ballons.

Correct, but it's not about the answer, it's about the annoyance lol, amd for shits and giggles we get to see more BS responses.

Guys, pleas remember when you call Pioneer and ask a question, you are not getting an official response. You are talking to some customer support person who would not have the inside scoop on release dates. 10 of us can call, and we may get 10 different answers. The only information you can hold them to is their official press releases and the web site info. Anything else is colored ballons.

which makes it worse because. it says the company doesn't communicate with the support staff. 

Talk to tech support, not just a CSR

which makes it worse because. it says the company doesn't communicate with the support staff.

 

Things are not always cut and dry. If apple hasn't given pioneer a date yet, then pioneer doesn't have a date to give the support staff. If the software just plain is not ready yet but the team still thinks they are on schedule, then once again what more would the support staff know besides "not delayed"? Honestly, guys the support Staff are there to help but they don't sit in on board meetings with the CEO.

Correct, but it's not about the answer, it's about the annoyance lol, amd for shits and giggles we get to see more BS responses.

Got it... . I own a small 15 person company in NC, with a small three person support staff. Hell, I can't get those three to send out a constant message, I hate to think what it would be like herding cats at a large company like Pioneer. Hey, but I am on board with you guys. Let's get this show on the road Pioneer, and deliver the product that was promised.

edit...wrong section.

Got it... . I own a small 15 person company in NC, with a small three person support staff. Hell, I can't get those three to send out a constant message, I hate to think what it would be like herding cats at a large company like Pioneer. Hey, but I am on board with you guys. Let's get this show on the road Pioneer, and deliver the product that was promised.

your essentially saying your ok with advertising features on product your selling to your customers and not delivering. This was a illegal sales tactic in the US. its called bait and switch, look it up! there is no way you can argue your way out of that. this isn't about carplay this is about making customers whole on their purchases. which Pioneer seems to think it is more important to focus on new features rather then getting people what they paid for in a timely fashion. there is truly no way to argue around this. 

Exactly. Thankfully I paid for mine and the install on CC, I'm prepared to give them more time but if it gets to the point where AVICSYNC is "removed" from the feature list, or other features such as map updates, speed cameras etc don't make a show then I will be discussing my options with the installer who can then talk to their Pioneer rep, and if that fails then I'll be onto the CC company.

your essentially saying your ok with advertising features on product your selling to your customers and not delivering. This was a illegal sales tactic in the US. its called bait and switch, look it up! there is no way you can argue your way out of that. this isn't about carplay this is about making customers whole on their purchases. which Pioneer seems to think it is more important to focus on new features rather then getting people what they paid for in a timely fashion. there is truly no way to argue around this.

 

We must be talking about two different things. I was referring to folks calling into tech support for info on release dates. I don't know what in the heck you are referring to. Are you even old enoug to drive a car?

Bleh,