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Alpine's CarPlay Unit Has Been Announced

By Pjrm68 · Oct 27, 2014in NEX Series💬 28 posts👁️ 6,489 views
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Posted Oct 27, 2014 · 17:54 UTC#2

No HDMI input, only one USB input port on the back. Can't tell if the faceplate is removable or not, but at $800 MSRP (only $50 more than MSRP on the 4000NEX) I've already listed two big things that my Pioneer 4000NEX can do that this Alpine unit can't, and another that looks doubtful.

 

I had high hopes for the Alpine unit, especially given how underwhelmed I was with Pioneer's implementation (I've completely turned CarPlay off).  Unfortunately, it looks like I'll continue to be left wishing.

Posted Oct 27, 2014 · 21:53 UTC#3

The web page on Alpine web site: http://alpine-usa.com/product/view/carplay-ilx-007

 

I also found the ILX-007 owner's manual: http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/500/500ILX007.PDF

The faceplate is indeed removable (see p. 27)

Some advantages over AppRadio 4:

- bigger screen (identical 7" capacitive multitouch screen as in the much more expensive -although more complete- 8000NEX)

- shorter (cooler?) 3.3" chassis

- dedicated physical Siri button (useful to activate Siri without having to actually WATCH the HU nor press and hold the nonphysical Home button)

 

Another thing: some Alpine HUs retain the MFD/DIS functionality for a variety of cars, through the appropriate steering wheel control interface. I wonder if the ILX-007 offers it too.

Posted Oct 28, 2014 · 01:45 UTC#4

Looks kinda slick BUT...... 2 volt pre's....... I'll pass......

Edited Oct 28, 2014 by kush1007
Posted Oct 28, 2014 · 14:37 UTC#5

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_500ILX007/Alpine-iLX-007.html

Even at this price it's too expensive.

No BluleTooth so you would have to have your phone plugged in all the time to just answer a call through the HU.

If your phone is plugged in for short periods of time charging, this is bad for the battery and shortens the life of it.

Posted Oct 28, 2014 · 15:43 UTC#6

The web page on Alpine web site: http://alpine-usa.com/product/view/carplay-ilx-007

 

I also found the ILX-007 owner's manual: http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/500/500ILX007.PDF

The faceplate is indeed removable (see p. 27)

 

 

I don't think this is what you're thinking of.  Based on the diagrams in the manual, it looks like the plastic trim around the unit is removable, not the actual screen itself.  Not much in the way of a theft deterrent.

Posted Oct 28, 2014 · 16:33 UTC#7

Nice unit, but way too expensive for what it offers. Should be no more than $350 since its basically just an interface for your iPhone. I like the concept of it but the price is insane.

Posted Oct 28, 2014 · 17:03 UTC#8

After reading through the manual of the Alpine, and knowing my 4000, here are my thoughts on all 3 options

 

Alpine ILX-007

 

Advantages

7 inch Capacitive display 600 dollars less than an 8000NEX

much smaller footprint

Dedicated Siri Button

Smartphone integration for audio tuning

 

Disadvantages

Most Expensive of the 3 choices

Nowhere near as expandable as Pioneer units. Specifically

No iDatalink Connectivity. 

No HDMI

No HD radio

only 1 USB port

No Bluetooth

Only 1 camera input

No SD card which btw means you have to pull the head unit or route the extension cable to the cabin every time you update the software

No mention in manual of sound cancelling for microphone

No android support, so this radio is dead in the water if you switch apps. hope you like your aux port. 

Non removable display

No dedicated Nav option (some people care)

 

AppRadio 4

Advantages

Cheapest of the 3 units. 

Capacitive 6.1 display. Also might add, all displays have the same resolution. 800x480 LED lit TFT display so you lose little with the smaller display

Almost as many inputs as the 4000. Only missing the SD Card, so put your extension cable in a good place. 

Built in GPS to enhance your positioning for carplay or appradio apps. 

Noise cancelling microphone with Parrot Tech.

Disadvantages

No dedicated Nav option

No SD card support

 

AVH-4000NEX

7 inch Removable display. Gives you a nice sense of security that the display can come off. 

SD card support

Can install optional dedicated Nav.

Disk drive for if you care

Disadvantages

Resistive display-carplay does not work anywhere near as well with this. 

Display has poor daytime properties. 

 

Personally right now my money is on an appradio 4. I'm going to wait to see if the Alpine drops in price. I don't use any of the extra features of the 4000. I just use carplay, but I can't in good conscience spend 800 bucks just to get a 7 inch capacitive display.

Posted Oct 28, 2014 · 17:34 UTC#9

Nice comparison. 

 

I agree that the Alpine is priced too high. After reading the few articles on this new unit, it seems that they justify the cost by having a larger screen than the $600 AR4, and also having a 7" capacitive display, like the $1400 8000NEX. I suppose that makes sense with an MSRP of $800, but really it should cost the same as the AR4 in my opinion. A $499 street price would make it really attractive.

 

I do like the fact that you can use a 45w watt/channel power pack that simply plugs and plays with the Alpine head unit. That is a super convenient option that only costs about $130. 

 

I'm also waiting for the prices to drop while my AppRadio2's screen is slowly dying. 

Posted Oct 28, 2014 · 19:28 UTC#10

Pioneer is offering much more in the nex unit, may all not work properly, but it's a much better deal in my opinion. Glad I stayed with my 8000.

Posted Oct 28, 2014 · 19:43 UTC#11

It is listed at $600 for preorder at Crutchfield. Given I can get AppRadio 4 for the same price, which one should I choose (I only plan on using CarPlay)? The main benefit for the Alpine is the larger screen. The main benefit for the Pioneer is I could hook up my iPod Classic to USB 2 and use it for short drives when I don't feel like taking my phone out of my pocket.

Posted Oct 28, 2014 · 20:59 UTC#12

AppRadio 4

Advantages

Built in GPS to enhance your positioning for carplay or appradio apps.

WHAT? Does the Alpine really lack any dedicated GPS antenna? What a shame if this is actually the case.

 

AppRadio 4

Advantages

Noise cancelling microphone with Parrot Tech.

 

Can you please give a link supporting that statement? Nowhere in Pioneer owner's manual I see a ref to Parrot nor any noise cancellation technology.

Edited Oct 28, 2014 by flux_capacitor
Posted Oct 29, 2014 · 00:29 UTC#13

WHAT? Does the Alpine really lack any dedicated GPS antenna? What a shame if this is actually the case.

 

 

 

 

Can you please give a link supporting that statement? Nowhere in Pioneer owner's manual I see a ref to Parrot nor any noise cancellation technology.

Most modern pioneer head units use the parrot fc6000s bluetooth chip. They at one point advertised this fact with the Appradio 3, but at this time, they have pulled all mention of the chip. I plan on taking apart my nex4000 out of boredom in the near future. I will let you know if that chip is in there as well.

Posted Oct 29, 2014 · 17:48 UTC#14

WHAT? Does the Alpine really lack any dedicated GPS antenna? What a shame if this is actually the case.

 

The 4000NEX also lacks a dedicated GPS antenna.  Granted, you can buy one aftermarket for around $300, but that puts it way above the original pricepoint of the Alpine unit.

Posted Oct 29, 2014 · 18:55 UTC#15

Only thing that has me intrigued is Car Play wifi, you cna connect to car play without a cable which is to be released by apple in a update.

 

Hopefully the 8000nex will get this capability, I know the Alpine is "CarPlay""Wifi Ready" they call it.

Posted Oct 29, 2014 · 19:26 UTC#16

Unless they have a WiFi chip built in that they are not advertising in the specs, I am guessing we wont see this feature. If it was advertised as "CarPlay Bluetooth Ready" we might have a shot, but its not.

Posted Oct 29, 2014 · 19:42 UTC#17

WHAT? Does the Alpine really lack any dedicated GPS antenna? What a shame if this is actually the case.

If it is a CarPlay only display then I don't see what an external GPS antenna would get you. The iPhone only uses its internal GPS antenna and does not take advantage of an external antenna.

Posted Oct 30, 2014 · 14:26 UTC#18

If it is a CarPlay only display then I don't see what an external GPS antenna would get you. The iPhone only uses its internal GPS antenna and does not take advantage of an external antenna.

 

Incorrect. The iPhone can use an external GPS antenna when appropriate, and in the case of pioneer head units with built in GPS the iPhone is able to use it. 

Posted Oct 30, 2014 · 15:19 UTC#19

Incorrect. The iPhone can use an external GPS antenna when appropriate, and in the case of pioneer head units with built in GPS the iPhone is able to use it.

Show me proof that the iPhone can use an external GPS antenna. There are external GPS receivers but in my searches I cannot find any evidence that the iPhone can use an external antenna (not receiver). Plus there are no pins on the lightning connector to pass the signal from a GPS antenna.

Posted Oct 30, 2014 · 16:01 UTC#20

Show me proof that the iPhone can use an external GPS antenna. There are external GPS receivers but in my searches I cannot find any evidence that the iPhone can use an external antenna (not receiver). Plus there are no pins on the lightning connector to pass the signal from a GPS antenna.

Pioneer's Appradio 4 does not have native GPS navigation; the only navigation possible is through the connected phone. Nevertheless, it includes an external GPS antenna for the following reason:

 

"included external GPS antenna for boosting signal while using GPS apps" (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_130SPDA120/Pioneer-SPH-DA120-AppRadio-4.html)

 

For what other reason would Pioneer include a GPS antenna for a unit where navigation is possible only through a connected phone?

(http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/Manuals/Car/SPH-DA120_InstallationManual070714.pdf)

 

And it's not like Pioneer is new to the iPhone GPS boosting game, as they offered this in 2011 for the old 30-pin iPhones (http://9to5mac.com/2011/01/05/pioneer-announces-iphone-gps-booster-with-built-in-speakerphone/)

Edited Oct 30, 2014 by KarNPlay
Posted Oct 30, 2014 · 16:46 UTC#21

Show me proof that the iPhone can use an external GPS antenna. There are external GPS receivers but in my searches I cannot find any evidence that the iPhone can use an external antenna (not receiver). Plus there are no pins on the lightning connector to pass the signal from a GPS antenna.

Look at the Appradio forum to see users using iPod touches to run Appradio mode.

 

Ligning is a digital solution. There is no need for a dedicated Gps input. It's just data. Just like the data from the headunit of where you're touching the screen, or the voice from the microphone, the gps signal is sent to the phone via Usb 2.0. You're talkig about 480mbs transfer rate for the port. There's plenty of bandwidth for the gps data.

Posted Nov 01, 2014 · 21:19 UTC#22

According to Pioneer directly on their web site:

GPS antenna to ensure accurate positioning whilst the phone is inside the car. (External GPS Antenna included)
 
ericvic and KarNPlay are right: sometimes the GPS reception of an iPhone can be poor in certain circumstances and when this is the case the dedicated GPS antenna is there to provide a good reception.
Edited Nov 01, 2014 by flux_capacitor
Posted Nov 04, 2014 · 21:41 UTC#23

Almost nobody seems to have hands on this unit yet. As of Early November I found only those two short videos:

- Unboxing where John Haynes from Al & Ed's Autosound talks of an MSRP of $599 (instead of $800)

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from Inphase Car Audio.
Edited Nov 04, 2014 by flux_capacitor
Posted Nov 04, 2014 · 22:36 UTC#24

Almost nobody seems to have hands on this unit yet. As of Early November I found only those two short videos:

- Unboxing where John Haynes from Al & Ed's Autosound talks of an MSRP of $599 (instead of $800)

- Quick demo on a Jeep dashboard from Inphase Car Audio.

 

Thanks for those links. I have the unit on order from Crutchfield and keep hoping that it will ship soon.

Edited Nov 04, 2014 by PoobBubes
Posted Nov 06, 2014 · 14:28 UTC#25

i only paid $650 for my 7000NEX

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