I agree, I also miss it from my Garmin days!

the z2 is the same exact hardware, updated maps, gracenote, and thats it. so whatever "bugs" you guys think that the z1 had, so does the z2. and the bypass appears to be the same. i was wrong in saying that it had changed

by pass is not the same as the z1................

yeah he is wrong quite often, which leads me to believe he doesnt work for pioneer, but is simply a distributor

dont think "he" said he works for pioneer, just 'someone' with a bit more inside track info, that may be accurate... i mean the thing is just coming out and there have been some back and forth on the bypass, so maybe holdin off till its examined would be wise

That is exactly what I have said... that we should all just wait for the units to come and stop all these rumors/confused facts, but that started a great flame war between him (T) and I

they would get sued beyond belief if they did that.

Why and from whom would they get sued?

opertunistic customers whom got into accidents or who planed out accidents

the music industry would sue them for allowing people to rip mp3s onto their hard drives.

Lowrance allows it and they have not been sued.

maybe they aquired the license?

IF I'M NOT ISTAKEN PIONEER WAS INVOLVED IN LAWSUIT ALREADY REGARDING VIDEO ON AVIC N-1 UNIT.....APROX 3-4 YRS AGO IN COLORADO....THATS WHY BYPASS IS'NT SO EASY....KEEPS LIABILTIY OFF OF PIONEER....AND PUTS IT ON US(RETAILER OR CONSUMER). LOTS OF SMART PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM THOUGH.....WE (THE FORUM) WILL GET IT BEFORE PIONEER LEAKS IT OUT..... PIONEER WILL NOT LEAK IT UNTIL THEY NEED TO....WHAT I MEAN IS THEY ARE SMOKING D-3 UNITS OFF THE SHELVES...THY ARE NOT LOSING ANY MARKET SHARE....IF YOU REMEMBER ON THE N-2 IT WAS A MATTER OF SOLDERING THE CONTACTS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE UNIT....THAT WAS LEAKED BY A PIONEER B/C OF SALES ON THE N-2 WAS NO WHERE NEAR CLOSE TO THE N-1 DURING THE PREVIOUS YEAR.....THE YEAR OF THE N-1 PIONEER HAD 90% MARKET SHARE IN ALL OF AFTERMARKET NAVIGATION INDASH UNITS....DURING THE CONSUMER ELECTRONIC SHOW THIS YEAR PIONEER ORDERS FOR THE D3 EXCEEDED TOTAL D-2 SALES FROM LAST YEAR IN UNDER 1 WEEK!! JUST SOME INFO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT NEED A BREAK FROM POUNDING YOUR HEAD ON YOUR Z-2 TRYING TO GET BYPASS FIGURED OUT...

billyboy-

Please take off yours caps lock. If using lower case letters makes it hard to read, go to View -> Text Size in Internet Explorer and make the font bigger.

I apologize in advance if this may seem a dumb question, but, can't most of the bugs and other issues be worked out by firmware changes off an upgrade CD? In other words, why couldn't Pioneer just release an upgrade cd that had all the necessary firmware changes on it (at least those changes that absolutely did not require any hardware fixes like replacing IC's)?