Right, doesnt look like the 8000 to 8100 changed, but I was mentioning the lower end units. They have moved from a "resistive" to a "clear resistive" whatever that means. According to the press release it improves responsiveness.

And I am not really crossing my fingers for a software upgrade to add features found here, that will probably never happen. In the past though, with the F/X series you could load newer software on the older units with a few file modifications. This would fix software glitches that were patched in the newer units. The point is, if the units are hardware identical, at least processor/memory/graphics/input-output wise, and they run the same OS (pictures make it look that way) it opens the possibility for Pioneer to do whats right OR the mod community to figure out a way to port over the updated OS kernels.

The sad sad x950BH I had didnt spawn any newer generations, instead being completely ditched for the Android based NEX OS. If it had been like the previous 3 generations of AVIC's, that all ran WINCE, development might have occured for it. If we get two or three generations of Android based NEX OS units, and if we can figure out how to edit the OS ROM, we may have a flexible platform again.

Screen has not changed. They can say whatever they want. The spec sheet for the 8100 is a 800x480 LED backlit capacitive display. The display on the 8000 is a 800x480 LED backlit capacitive display. 

 

Edit: and as far as patching the units with the new software. My appradio 2 is hardware identical short of a USB cable to the appradio 3 110 unit. Notice that same little spec bump between the units? The 110 activated the dormant bluetooth streaming on the appradio 2. Pioneer never updated the 2 to do it. The update never came. Don't keep your fingers crossed here. 

I think that somebody will find a way to push the new firmwares in the older unit if there's no hardware differences

Simple solution, if you paid with a credit card call them and start a refund process for an unfinished non working unit as i did. The non working Avicsync, Connected services and I datalink portion is enuff for a full refund as my credit card told me. I bought one unit cash and one I a credit card so at least I can return one, even though it's been 9 months. What will I get to replace,I dont know, but ill wait to see who's unit actually works as advertised.

Simple solution, if you paid with a credit card call them and start a refund process for an unfinished non working unit as i did. The non working Avicsync, Connected services and I datalink portion is enuff for a full refund as my credit card told me. I bought one unit cash and one I a credit card so at least I can return one, even though it's been 9 months. What will I get to replace,I dont know, but ill wait to see who's unit actually works as advertised.

If I wanted to do this (and I likely do not), is it your understanding that all credit card companies do this? I bought mine on a Discover Card - I know they have extended warranty coverage, but that's different from what you're describing.

If I wanted to do this (and I likely do not), is it your understanding that all credit card companies do this? I bought mine on a Discover Card - I know they have extended warranty coverage, but that's different from what you're describing.

I can't speak for all, but u can call to find out if that's a route u are interested in. I Am returning my wife's and keeping mine until something better comes a long

If Android Auto is anything like Apple Carplay, then the software and UI will run from the phone and not the head unit. All Pioneer would need to do is add the software hooks to existing units, which is trivial especially if the NEX HUs are running Android themselves.

Now as to a TRUE working MirrorLink, AVICSYNC, IDatalink functionality, and the documented data-connectivity for the 2014 NEX HUs, these should have been fixed months ago and there's no excuses, especially since these units are running an easily maintained OS now.

I found it funny that before the new models were released, iDataLink had the AVIC-8100NEX, but not the 5/6/7/8000 available models listed when I punched in my 2014 Honda CR-V Base:

After I reported it, they fixed the list, and did not remove the AVIC-8100NEX from the list:

I guess its moot now. The PAC RP4-HD11 just arrived. Now I just need to find someone who can install it...and get it right the first time!

Any suggestions for an ace installer in the Delaware area? Willing to drive if it is to a person who studies the combo (car, head unit and connector).

Don

Don, I used SoundFX in Lewes... I was happy with them for the most part (other than the fact that they cut and spliced a new connector onto my factory SiriusXM antenna when an adapter was available).

They deal with iDataLink products.

Don, I used SoundFX in Lewes...[snip]...They deal with iDataLink products.

I can call them, thanks

I found it funny that before the new models were released, iDataLink had the AVIC-8100NEX, but not the 5/6/7/8000 available models listed when I punched in my 2014 Honda CR-V Base:

 

 

After I reported it, they fixed the list, and did not remove the AVIC-8100NEX from the list:

 

 

I guess its moot now. The PAC RP4-HD11 just arrived. Now I just need to find someone who can install it...and get it right the first time!

 

Any suggestions for an ace installer in the Delaware area? Willing to drive if it is to a person who studies the combo (car, head unit and connector).

 

Don

Except the only thing the Idatalink module is providing is steering wheel control adapter. There's still no car diagnostics or OEM telematics connection like you can get with Kenwood or Alpine systems. So in other words, nothing has changed.

Bushing has a great overview of the guts of the 5000NEX - https://fail0verflow.com/blog/2014/enhancing-the-avic-5000nex.html . Hopefully his work and maybe some others will lead to firmware mods for the 2014 NEX owners.

In the case of the 5000NEX, it's running a dual core 1Ghz Cortex, which is most likely the same thing the entire NEX line is running, possibly give or take a couple hundred Mhz depending on the particular unit's price. Cheap, no-name android devices like $99 tablets and $50 android media sticks and boxes have better specs than these. There's no technical limitation preventing the 2014 NEX units from running the exact same features the new units run. This is purely planned obsolescence, which is no longer an excuse in any way given the prices people are paying and the technology involved.

While I'm not thrilled by these developments overall, there are ways around these issues. Speaking of no-name android devices, I'm currently running my 8000NEX with an android media stick which works perfectly from the touch screen and let's me effectively have a complete android car-puter for the 50 bucks I paid for the stick and without having to deal with all the annoying issues connecting my cell phone and getting the appradio app to work. In fact, I just came across a video of someone that used his Chromecast as a wireless screen mirror for his phone, and the 8000's touch screen works with this perfectly. So in the end, even if we as 2014 NEX owners don't get these new features in future firmware upgrades, there are definitely good work arounds for us.

Planned obsolescence is the way of the world these days.  I've caught various manufacturers doing specifically crappy things in this regard such as soldering in CMOS batteries onto a PCB in such a way that you can't get them out for replacement without risking destroying the PCB -- even with a proper SMT hot-air rework station (the high thermal mass of the battery makes this an extremely tricky operation.) Then there are all the newer cellphones with non field-replaceable PRIMARY batteries -- a lithium cell that has a known cycle life of approximately 500, which pretty-much guarantees that in two years you are buying a new phone.

Never mind the explodo-chinese-electrolytic cap issues with LCD monitors on the power boards which typically fail about a year and a half in for those who use their computers on a "workday" basis.  Those I can easily fix and have several times for both myself and friends; $5 worth of caps instead of a new $200+ monitor.

This contrasts with the old Pioneer receiver, also full of electrolytic caps, that currently runs my PC speakers.  It's nearing being of legal drinking age and works just fine, or my KEF 104/2s that I just rebuilt -- and the crossovers, including the caps on them, have no problems at all.

Bushing has a great overview of the guts of the 5000NEX - https://fail0verflow.com/blog/2014/enhancing-the-avic-5000nex.html . Hopefully his work and maybe some others will lead to firmware mods for the 2014 NEX owners.

 

In the case of the 5000NEX, it's running a dual core 1Ghz Cortex, which is most likely the same thing the entire NEX line is running, possibly give or take a couple hundred Mhz depending on the particular unit's price. Cheap, no-name android devices like $99 tablets and $50 android media sticks and boxes have better specs than these. There's no technical limitation preventing the 2014 NEX units from running the exact same features the new units run. This is purely planned obsolescence, which is no longer an excuse in any way given the prices people are paying and the technology involved.

 

While I'm not thrilled by these developments overall, there are ways around these issues. Speaking of no-name android devices, I'm currently running my 8000NEX with an android media stick which works perfectly from the touch screen and let's me effectively have a complete android car-puter for the 50 bucks I paid for the stick and without having to deal with all the annoying issues connecting my cell phone and getting the appradio app to work. In fact, I just came across a video of someone that used his Chromecast as a wireless screen mirror for his phone, and the 8000's touch screen works with this perfectly. So in the end, even if we as 2014 NEX owners don't get these new features in future firmware upgrades, there are definitely good work arounds for us.

Which android stick are you using?  (I'm assuming you are referring to ARUnchained)

I'm currently trying to use my OnePlus One with Chromecast but it doesn't work that great.  I've thought about buying a cheap android stick though.

I'm currently running my 8000NEX with an android media stick which works perfectly from the touch screen and let's me effectively have a complete android car-puter for the 50 bucks I paid for the stick and without having to deal with all the annoying issues connecting my cell phone and getting the appradio app to work. In fact, I just came across a video of someone that used his Chromecast as a wireless screen mirror for his phone, and the 8000's touch screen works with this perfectly. So in the end, even if we as 2014 NEX owners don't get these new features in future firmware upgrades, there are definitely good work arounds for us.

If you don't mind, can you tell us what the boot time of your Android stick is?

Which android stick are you using? (I'm assuming you are referring to ARUnchained)

 

I'm currently trying to use my OnePlus One with Chromecast but it doesn't work that great. I've thought about buying a cheap android stick though.

Hell, there are 100% android car stereos that ive seen recently that look really cool that have good specs and features and they may end up being better buys than continuing to buy units from the big names only to be abandoned at the beginning of the next year.

Looks like Crutchfield has the 8000NEX at $500 off. Same price now as the 6000NEX. Hope they continue to provide firmware updates for the x000 series as well as the x100 ones. Hardware can't be that different in order to accommodate the Android Auto.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_1308000NEX/Pioneer-AVIC-8000NEX.html?showAll=N&search=Avic_8000nex&skipvs=T

Looks like Crutchfield has the 8000NEX at $500 off. Same price now as the 6000NEX. Hope they continue to provide firmware updates for the x000 series as well as the x100 ones. Hardware can't be that different in order to accommodate the Android Auto.

 

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_1308000NEX/Pioneer-AVIC-8000NEX.html?showAll=N&search=Avic_8000nex&skipvs=T

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Pioneer continue to support even their current generation product let alone one that is less than a year out of date? Nope. They are horrible at supporting legacy hardware unless something on them becomes utterly broken like the iOS 7 update and the Appradio 1. 

Except the only thing the Idatalink module is providing is steering wheel control adapter. There's still no car diagnostics or OEM telematics connection like you can get with Kenwood or Alpine systems. So in other words, nothing has changed.

Sorry for the late response, just catching up to this thread.

From what I've read, its not a module limitation, but its a Pioneer limitation.

And that Pioneer doesn't plan to enable these functions on the AVIC NEX models.

Sorry for the late response, just catching up to this thread.

 

From what I've read, its not a module limitation, but its a Pioneer limitation.

 

 

And that Pioneer doesn't plan to enable these functions on the AVIC NEX models.

Which is hilarious because in their CES 2014 videos they were showing the features off working from iDatalink. 

The moment I can reasonably afford to buy a new head unit, I'm going to buy a different brand than Pioneer and never look back. The way this company treats its customers is a joke. Customer satisfaction is an afterthought at best.

Like what?  I am looking for a head unit and I was thinking Kenwood DNN 991hd or the alpine unit.

yeah I just sold my 8000nex and bought the Kenwood Dnn992,(will be here tomorrow)the maestro RR working with the 8000nex is kind of a joke , The kenwood is way above the 8000nex with factory integration, I can see tire pressures, boost level,coolant temp,egt and check engine trouble codes on the Kenwood, the pioneer is nothing but steering wheel controls with maestro RR.bye bye pioneer hello kenwood

yeah I just sold my 8000nex and bought the Kenwood Dnn992,(will be here tomorrow)the maestro RR working with the 8000nex is kind of a joke , The kenwood is way above the 8000nex with factory integration, I can see tire pressures, boost level,coolant temp,egt and check engine trouble codes on the Kenwood, the pioneer is nothing but steering wheel controls with maestro RR.bye bye pioneer hello kenwood

Just curious, what year/make/model car?

yeah I just sold my 8000nex and bought the Kenwood Dnn992,(will be here tomorrow)the maestro RR working with the 8000nex is kind of a joke , The kenwood is way above the 8000nex with factory integration, I can see tire pressures, boost level,coolant temp,egt and check engine trouble codes on the Kenwood, the pioneer is nothing but steering wheel controls with maestro RR.bye bye pioneer hello kenwood

While I do think those features are cool, it really seems like a novelty to me. I'd much rather have Carplay. 

While I do think those features are cool, it really seems like a novelty to me. I'd much rather have Carplay.

 

I thought the new Kenwoods have CarPlay?

Hmmm, I'm really disappointed in Pioneer forcing customers to purchase a new head unit just for Android Auto support.  Is there anything else different between the units?

 

It's been proven that the NEX series runs on Android so hopefully we can just hack the firmware and still use the "old" model.  Either that, or I'll absolutely be selling this head unit for the new Parrot Android system that's coming out.

 

I still can't believe that Pioneer would screw customers that paid over $1400 for a car stereo though by not providing them an update.

 

 

 

Very true I've bought a new head unit almost every year for last 4 years Pioneer drops the ball when it comes to new iPhone compatibility they are getting a little better but not by much every year they come out with new head units that are only compatible with certain iPhones  when i upgraded to the 5  i lost app radio mode b/c it was only compatible with 4  & 4's  bought next years model that was recently stolen before xmas that was compatible with 5 and 6 but didn't have car play and the fact that i needed to have 3 extra cable to run app mode was a bit over the top now we have new NEX models that have both Carplay and Android Auto and will operate AppRadio mode with just the lightning cable as much as these head units cost we should be getting updates that should do the same for 2014 NEX units.  Some of us consumers are BRAND LOYAL and id say since they have come out with these units that have AppMode we have been getting the shaft if your an iPhone user feels like every year they come out with new iPhone you almost need to replace your heading along with phone to be fully compatible and it not RIGHT AT ALL!