RonS

This is the case with every aftermarket in dash navi that is sold in the US. If you think about it for just a little second, it actually makes sense why they do this.

And most, if not all, factory units. Same liability issue.

I'm evaluating the Pioneer Z120BT and I can't say I'm thrilled with the iPod interface...

 

Most of it is pretty fast but I dislike the "cube" animations because it just slows down navigation between the menus and if you want to skip a song it takes a full second or two for every song. Therefore, if you press the skip track button a couple of times in a row it will lag for a considerable amount of time.

 

Very disappointing

Then don't use Music Sphere, it isn't required. Even without it, the Z120 ipod interface is still one of the best. And, other than the lag in firing-up Music Sphere, I don't notice any objectionable lag in skipping tracks. It isn't as fast as directly using the ipod buttons, which is understandable since the touch-screen press must be validated (they screen interface must be desensitized somewhat to eliminate errant touches), and forwarded to the ipod - which also has some lag.

Hi All,

 

In the past I have addressed the problem with my Z120BT Bluetooth. The sound quality is absolutely a disaster.

 

I have moved the pioner mic from the left side to right under the mirror, renamed my phone, use 3 or 4 other phones to pair with and called several people on multiple carriers, put tape along the opening of the mic.. EVERYTHING...NOTHING Helps, it stinks, It sounds like I'm under water to the other party. I hear them well enough too.

 

I have done everything I can possibly do including renaming the phone, every possible setting, volume up and down on the handset and on the AVIC..

 

I know this is a Pioneer problem, but is it a firmware Issue? (How do I know my firmware version? Is there a newer firmware which tackles Blueooth problem ? Has Pioneer addressed this? What's the ultimate solution?

 

Is it a mic problem? some have said sugested using a garmin or Parrot Mic.

 

I saw a parrot MKI 9200 system and a dealer said he'd order that dual mic to test with my Pioneer, but first he'll call both pioneer and parrot to see if it can work with the 120BT.

 

Is this problem solveable ?, has anyone gotten their 120BT to work with stellar voice quality over Bluetooth. I'd hate to have to give up the touchscreen on my pioneer and spend $200+ for a parrot complete system.

 

My current phone is an HTC TP2 with sprint.

 

ALSO, can a 120BT show my photo contacts that are associated with my phone's call contact list ?, or just the caller ID name and number?

 

 

By the way I just checked, my latest BT firmware version is 3.11 and system is 2.0

 

 

I just want my $1,800 120BT to work propely with bluetooth, so that I'm heard by the other party.

 

Thanks so much for any help.

 

Jeff

If you haven't already, you should download and install v2.003 from the Pioneer web-site. According to Pioneer:

"This firmware update (version 2.003000) contains important improvements addressing Bluetooth

Hands-Free and Voice Recognition operations."

Exactly what the improvements are is anybody's guess.

As far as BT phone quality, I'd call mine about average. I've had worse. Don't expect it to be pristeen. About like talking on a speaker-phone in a noisey environment - which it is. If you prefer/require high quality - equivalent to a wired handset, get a good headset.

that did it thanks!, for noobs like myself i suggest a general thread topic "clock adjust AVIC z120bt" cz its not so obvious thanks again

Yeah, thats why it comes with a big book with an index. You aren't serious, are you? If we had a sticky thread for every setting/feature, then, you know what they'd call this site? An OPERATION MANUAL.

thanks i did this whole process yesturday and interface looks nicer, only thing about it tho im not sure if anyone else had this issue. My clock / GPS was correct before the update and now its incorrect. Although Navi works fine with current position etc, the clock is wrong and its pretty annoying how it relies on GPS for time. Is there a quick fix? please dont say its a "dashboard-take-apart-disconnect-cable" issue. I mean its only the clock but id like to have it correct u know? lol

Did you ever try the user manual? Download the PDF file so you can search quickly, instead of relying on us.

Is it just the hour that is off? If so, make sure it is set for the right time zone, and the DST setting is correct for where ever you are located. You adjust by touching: Settings / System Settings / Regional Settings / Time.

Here is what I have:

 

[*]Exact model - 911 turbo

[*]Year- 2002

[*]Existing Head Unit -CDR24

[*]Existing Speakers -Bose

[*]Existing AMP/Sub- stock amp no sub

I don't see a bezel/cage for 2din 2002 911's. So that will take some skill and customized work. A pro should be able to handle it, but I doubt you will find a pre-made kit. As far as wiring, a CDR24 -> Z120/110 has been done many times. Check some Porsche boards. Same with the Bose integration. Some people replace the Bose amp and/or speakers. Others have made it work with the stock Bose amp (I think I recall that right). Since Bose wasn't an issue for me, I really didn't bother following those issues. Sorry, your best bet is to go to a 911 board. I like Planet-9. P 9 911 Electronics sub-forum

That's about all the help I can provide. Good luck and be sure to post a follow-up w/pics when you are finished.

Hello,

 

I am installing the AVIC Z-120BT into a porsche 911 turbo.

 

 

• 
   
  
• If there anything I need to know in gerneral?
  
• I need to move the A/C dash controler below the new Pioneer nav unit. As anyone done this and is there anything I need to know.
  
• How can I buy a chase that will fit in a Porsche 911 that is compatable with the AVIC Z-120BT unit?
  
• How can I get the Porsche logo so that I can see that when the unit boots up. I don't want to see the Poineer logo on startup.
  

Thanks in advanced.

Before anyone could even begin to help, they would need to know:

• 
   
  
• Exact model (Carrera, GT3..)
  
• Year
  
• Existing Head Unit (CDR24, CDR30, PCM2, PCM3..)
  
• Existing Speakers (Bose,....)
  
• Existing AMP/Sub
  

You will need a kit including bezel, mount cage, OEM harness adapter, and depending on the above, various interfaces.

I have a 2010 Cayman, so I am slightly familiar with that year's wiring and basic factory setup. Factory Bose is a costly complication (that I luckily didn't have to deal with). I'm not familiar with 911's. However, other members have installed and posted, so search!

Here is an example of a kit that will help. Ebay link

You will find that Loi @ Euro MotorSpeed is an expert on this stuff and can probably send you specific instructions.

You can download several Porsche splash screens from this board. Such as Porsche screens

Read your Z120 manual for simple instructions on loading your custom screen.

ok, i have something confusing me. the SD1 file has 4 parts to it. opened 2 of them with winrar and they are both about 3.6GB with the same files inside. do i only use part one? or did something not DL correctly?

 

SD2 only has the one file in it. not multiple parts. so no confusion there.

You only need to extract the 1st file with WinRAR. It will know it's a multi-part archive. If you do all 4 parts individually, you WILL end up with 4 identical folders. Just choose 1 folder and delete the rest.

I did the same thing and it had me confused too.

It might not be a big deal for you, but a Z110-BT DVD drive will be locked to region 1 (US) in hardware. The region can't be changed with the software. So you could only play reg 1 DVDs.

Hi, two things:

 

1: I am trouble finding seeds - or maybe I'm not doing it right - is anybody else having issues?

2: I did the first 1.000 to 1.001 but it still says 1.000 on the info screen

 

Any help would be great

 

 

Regards

#1 - Can't help you there.

#2 - Did you follow the Pioneer update instructions (pdf file on Pioneer web site), step 5? This has been covered here many times . To see the internal version number:

• 
   
  
• Press the “HOME†key
  
• Select the “Settings†tab
  
• Select “System Settingsâ€
  
• Select “Service Informationâ€
  
• Press & hold left upper corner of the “Service Information†screen for a few seconds
  

If it doesn't say:

• 
   
  
• PlatformVersion: 1.001000
  
• Application Version: 1.001000
  

then you didn't do it right. That is, unless you used ShortFuse's patch, in which case it would be 1.002000

That's odd - as everything I've read suggests that the Pioneer decks have the AVRCP 1.3 spec built-in, and iOS4.0 supposedly also supports the full spec, aka meta-data, song titles, artists names, etc.

What apparently must be the truth is that either Apple or Pioneer is fibbing.

How do we find out which is which? I took my iPad out to the garage, ran Pandora, and linked via Bluetooth to the Pioneer.

No artist - no song title - just a play and stop button appeared.

 

Since no phones support this that I can find (other than the gent earlier in this thread who claimed that his WM 6.5 phone transmits meta data), it's hard to get a clear opinion on what two products will make this work.

 

I need a new phone now, and this would be a great feature, if only I didn't have to do it with Windows Mobile 6.5

 

Well, the fact that my WM6.5 HTC HD2 works perfectly seems to say who's lying. But historically, BT support for the various specs and profiles is inconsistent between manufacturers. They will eventually get it sorted out.

BTW, I can boot into Android (2.2.1) and play BT audio MP3s using the built-in audio player. No tags appear, but I can use the Stop/Pause and next/previous buttons to control the playback.

If I could just figure out how to get my Contacts to transfer under Android, I'd run it permanently. So far, this custom port (HyperDroid) is about 80% ready. I'm lovin some of the apps and the phone's VR interface to Google & maps (I haven' tried it through the AVIC). But some parts just aren't as solid as WM in the interface with the Z120.

I'm having this issue as well. It tries to restart the process to update automatically in a loop until i manually eject the sd card. any ideas?

Yes, you're doing something wrong!

How could we possibly know what with so little information. You didn't even say which update you are trying. This thread is titled "Step by step update from z110bt to z120bt".

Assuming you mean the 1.001 update, start over with a different SD. Do the original Pioneer v1.0001 update first - with no modified files. If that works, install ShortFuse's files into the correct directories in the SD and do it again. With his patch, the verion should be v1.002 (or was it 1.003, can't remember).

If you can't get the plain old Pioneer v1.001 to work, then:

1. it is already installed

2. you aren't following the instructions correctly

3. user SD is bad

4. your AVIC is broke

Does the usb ipod/iphone adapter provide battery charge current from the nav unit?

Yes.

I have no problem playing video(movies with dvdfab and iTunes) but not with streaming netflix

Try searching for Netflix. It's been discussed before.

Darn I was going to ask you to send a quick vid of the iPod navigation... for some reason I can't find any real vid of anyone navigating through the iPod menus... I want to see how that is before I decide to buy or not.

Everything else looks great though.

You don't navigate through iPod menus, you use the iPod interface on the Z120. See

and several other You-tube videos. That and Music Sphere is all there is.

I can change the connector between the two. The cable is of the same manufacturer but I don't know if the antenna is the same. The D1 antenna has the letters EDE under it, while the Z120 antenna has the letters JGS. Don't have a clue what they stand for.

Are you saying the connectors are different? I wouldn't try changing or splicing them. If they are the same, it probably will work. Why don't you test it with the old (installed) one first. If it works, you're good!

BTW, it really isn't critical, or important, where you place the antenna. Mine is under the hood (OK it's a mid-engine, so technically its in the front trunk). For a front engine, it would be like attaching it to the firewall next to the wiper motor. It works fine completely covered with the aluminiuum trunk lid.

it appears my mechanic thought that by not hooking up the ebrake cable or brake cable or w/e that he was bypassing the no navi while drivey crap

 

therefore I can't do anything about the settings until monday since he's busy. this sucks... is there any pictures or anything that show how to connect the brake cable? I could do it myself, just don't see anything mentioning that step in the installation manual

I hope you didn't pay much for that installer. Didn't he even test the system?

I only have the Z110 Installation manual. On pg 12,

Light green

Used to detect the ON/OFF status of the parking brake. This lead must be

connected to the power supply side of the parking brake switch.

If this connection is made incorrectly or omitted, certain functions

of your navigation system will be unusable.

 

WARNING

LIGHT GREEN LEAD AT POWER CONNECTOR IS

DESIGNED TO DETECT PARKED STATUS AND MUST

BE CONNECTED TO THE POWER SUPPLY SIDE OF THE

PARKING BRAKE SWITCH. IMPROPER CONNECTION

OR USE OF THIS LEAD MAY VIOLATE APPLICABLE

LAW AND MAY RESULT IN SERIOUS INJURY OR

DAMAGE.

It even shows a picture of a parking brake and a sample diagram. I'm sure the Z120 manual is nearly identical. Are you sure you aren't looking in the User's Guide? You can download the Installation Manual from Pioneer.

If you are going through all that, you might as well do the bypass youself. It is well documented here and even You Tube has videos.

There is both a limitation on the number of directories (300) and the number of files (2500) regardless of the SD size. See the Appendix Media Compatability Chart.

There are also likely limitations on the file name format. I'm sure it is more restrictive than Windows.

some people refer to the Illumination wire as the dimmer.

Yes, and that is a point of confusion, especially when they connect it to the dash light dimmer circuit. You can't "dim" the AVIC along with your dash/instruments. You can only toggle between the day and night settings (which can be customized by holding the Mode button).

which wire is the dimmer wire on the 120 wiring harness? is there a wiring diagram somewhere that lists them all?

There is no "dimmer" wire, but connect the Orange/White wire to a circuit that is +12v when your lights are ON. This controls the day/night display on the HU. If you have Daytime Running Lights enabled, this can be a problem on some cars. I had to disable mine cause the HU always thought it was night.

As far as the rest, why don't you check your Installation Manual, or download it from the Pioneer web-site. And as homework, make a list of all the other wires. Then post it here.

Hello,

i've tried multiple times and fails every time. Ive even redownloaded the files and tired from scratch ..... Any help would be great

 

 

Thanks

This update is very simple. Assuming your files are not corrupt, which I doubt, then it must be something you are doing wrong. Since I can't tell from your post, why don't you spell out, in precise detail, exactly the steps you did to create your SD card. You can leave off the download and unzipping part.

Your SD should have one, and only one, directory in the root: \AVICZ110. This should contain:

Directory of SD \AVICZ110

• <DIR> APL
  
• <DIR> BOOT
  
• <DIR> FONTS
  
• <DIR> PLATFORM
  
• EU090APL.HTM
  
• EU090APL.VER
  
• EU090BOT.HTM
  
• EU090BOT.VER
  
• EU090FNT.HTM
  
• EU090FNT.VER
  
• EU090PLT.HTM
  
• EU090PLT.VER
  

...And a bunch of other sub-directories and files. I just listed these to be sure your copy to the SD was at the correct level in the directory structure. I assume yours was correct or you wouldn't have gotten as far as you did.

If the update still doesn't work, try another SD card, preferably a different brand.

Is it a permanent fix or just when you need to eject a disc?

I don't use that feature. I gave you the page number for a reason. If you had looked you would see:

"The adjusted angle of the LCD panel will be

memorized and the LCD panel will automatically

return to that angle the next time the

LCD panel is opened or closed."

Make sure Echo Cancel is ON. (See Manual pg 74). I found that it improved the quality a bunch. I don't know if it is on by default. As far as the mic goes, in your case I'd buy a Garmin mic and have your installer yank and replace in one step. If you have to pay an installer, it would be both cheaper and easier to just do it all at the same time. The cost of the mic is less than the labor. Then send the old mic to Pioneer if you want a spare (assuming it tests as defective - which is a crap-shoot).

It is also possible that your installer did a poor job. Make sure the mic is fully inserted into the back of the unit. He might of pinched the cable running it. I was having very poor VR, but I eventually got it working fairly well - no complaints on my calls and iPod VR works fairly well - an occasional glitch in recongnizing an artist/song name - which is to be expected with a 3500+ library.

I don't know what exactly fixed it, the change was moving the mic closer to my face by mounting it to the trim above the driver's window, and re-routine the mic wire. I suspect it may have been pinched somewhat in trying to hide it. Maybe just enough to break the ground or shielding connection, and straightening it out fixed it. Just a guess.

It also occurs to me that some of these mic issues are related to distortion by too much gain, not too little. Some people just speak too loudly, or louder than necesary, into phones (my wife for example). I speak in a slightly louder than normal conversion voice. I don't shout at the mic. In fact, I once tried my VR command at fairly low levels and found it still worked pretty well. But that was driving with windows closed.

I believe I could probably extract the pin without cutting the plug but what if I decide to send the HU back.

Send back as in return (RMA)? Or send in for repairs? If you are thinking of returning cause you don't like it, don't worry about it. They'll never notice a wire in the wrong socket. That is unless you cut it out. Then you'll have to pay for another power harness.

If you need to return for warrantee service, then don't send your harness. They can't require you to rip apart your wiring. Or, if that doesn't fly, buy another cable. And once it is out of warrantee, it's none of their business how you have it wired.

Both the 3g and 4 have worked fine.

I think you are talking about nano's. He has an iPod Video (5G) - which will work. According to the manual, none of the older 'classic' versions (G1-4) will work. My old 4G Photo doesn't.