thrang

I spoke with my installer today - actually a really nice guy - but it appears try did use a speaker wire harness to the Rockford amp as opposed to the one that utilizes rca pre-outs... I hope to get it back to him tomorrow or Wednesday to get the issue corrected.

I just had a 120 installed in a 2010 Nissan xterra that had the Rockford fosgate system - installer used a wiring harness to connect to the factory amp. It works but ut also has a hiss (not rpm related) coming from the speakers, like the system is overdriven - I can even hear slight electronic chirps when a press certain hard or soft buttons.

 

It didn't occur to me until reading this thread that by using a wiring harness, he his basically amplifying an already amplified signal (the speakers outs from the 120. This can't be good or optimal.

 

So do I need a new amp, or is there something he can stick between the 120 and the rockford fosgate amp to lower the output to avoid overdrive. The system is too loud at low volumes, and the volume ramp seems very coarse from step to step.

 

Thanks

Not necessary as an installer I never ever wire them up I don't know any other installer in any other location of my company that bother to wire it up. I didn't hook mine up, it helps but it isn't work the extra time in my opinion. Forget removing the cluster or anything just cut it, heatshrink it closed, call it a done deal.

 

Sorry, but not a great advertisement for your quality of work. My installer did not hook up the VSS wire either, even though I asked, and I got nicely screwed up for 20 minutes coming out of the Lincoln Tunnel in NY, where it's difficult to pick up the GPS and I was wildly off the street pattern for 15 minutes. Trying to get to a location on the West side during rush hour traffic, with all the one way, no turn, and dead ended streets was ridiculous, and all because the lack of the VSS hookup didn't keep the system on track while out of GPS range.

 

All wires should be connected. Period. I went back the next day and they corrected the issue (and the illumination wire, which they also failed to connect).

I just had a 120BT installed in a Nissan Xterra (2010). Initially, the installer forgot to install the VSS wire, so I went back yesterday to get that done.

 

It is connected, as I do get a sensor reading, but it ranges from 0 to 20, no matter how fast I'm going.

 

Is it supposed to read the actual MPH, and is somehow not connected right, or does the sensor status page represent some other value...?

 

Thanks

You will have to use the harnesses for the Z110 and a new ipod cable is needed as well. As long as your XM unit is either the GEX-P20XM or the 10XMT it will work. The 110BT does not support navtraffic so if you have the 10XMT that function will not work. The antenna may be interchangeable.

 

I just came to the site to find out about this - I have a Z1 where the screen no longer retracts - its stuck at an angle and only moves in or out about a 1/4 inch, and the screen tilt menu does not appear any more - if anyone has a quick fix for this, please let me know

 

However, I was looking at upgrading to the Z110 - by new wiring harness (I am an installation idiot) - you mean the main molex type connecter called Power Cord in the installation manual? I was hoping to plug and play -

 

Swapping the iPod cable would be easy, and I'm presuming the mic, GPS, Reverse, and Speed connectors are the same

 

I have BT module but that won't matter with that feature built in the Z110

 

I THINK my XM module is one of the two listed (it has nav traffic) - why did they drop XM Traffic - the MSN option is not a real-time navigation feature unless I'm mis-reading it...

 

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To answer whtcrxghst's question, no it's not bypassed.

 

I've got a Jun 06 Z1, I've got the update installed from Pioneer and confirmed my software version is now 2.0 (aka Z2), and I can confirm that it's not bypassed by either the flasher or the 2-wire bypass. I had both bypass methods on my Z1 from the pre-bluetooth update and post bluetooth update for the Z1 and after installing the Z1 to Z2 update (yes the one that takes 3+ hours) I've got a crippled Z2 that's not bypassed.

 

This is getting stranger by the minute...what could be on the disc that ALLOWS the bypass on a formerly non-bypassable Z2, but DISABLES the bypass on a Z1??????

 

Methinks we need to hear more user experiences, but I understand the reluctance of Z1 owners to try this upgrade (me being one!)

Yes it is. Thats what Pioneer told me when I ordered it he said it brings the Z1 build to the Z2 build and updates mapping.

 

There were extraordinarily few differences between the Z1 and Z2, right?

Well, most important to me is

 

a) does applying this update allow Z-1 owners to continue to use the two-wire bypass, and

 

is it WORTH it? Meaning, I have very little issue with wrong street information - a few missing POIs, but nothing catastrophically wrong. So other than wanting the latest and greatest, do we know how substantially different the data is? I assume there's not cosmetic or functionality changes.

 

If anyone can describe the differences, that would be helpful...

Sure not a problem... I will take pics and verify all that is upgraded...

 

I think he was asking if would post a "disc" image....

I don't know if anyone has procured the Z1 Upgrade disc yet from Pioneer - when someone knows for certain if the retail upgrade now available for the Z1 PRESERVES or KILLS the two-wire bypass, please post your experiences.

 

I'm anal about getting new map/poi data, but like many here, don't want to lock out my unit...

Pioneer's site says this disc is compatible with the Z-1 (presumably because the Z-2 has the more current map data.

 

I have a Z-1 working with the two-wire bypass. Do you have any insight if this upgrade disc will allow me to retain that bypass? Ojne would presume if it adds the two-wire bypass to rev 1 Z-2's, it would leave it intact for the Z-1...

 

Thanks

 

Thats the CNDV700HD software that Pioneer just shipped. If you stick it in an unbypassable (pre-june) Z2, it updates it to the lastest software (june or later.) That enables it to be bypassed with the two-wire Z1 method. Saw it done with my own eyes

 

Not sure how accurate this info is but I just got a call from my shop owner saying that his Pioneer rep has a disk to insert into the Z2 to bypass it. He said his rep would be there in 2 weeks and he was going to call everyone he sold a Z2 to so they could come by and get it done on the day the rep is there in town. H also wasn't to confidant that he could make a copy of the disk and made it sound like only a few people have access to them. Has anyone else heard this info?

Does anyone have a Blackberry 8700 here? I can't locate anything on the phone or searching online that indicates how one can adjust the mic gain, so I can try re-pairing as described here....

 

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[quote name="949"]will this piece work with the avic z1? basically will the IP bus connect and read on the head unit?

is this worth it?

i hope it works with mp3 cd's too.



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don't forget the rather simple option of an iPod with Video - there are some fairly simple tools for Macs and PCs to rip DVD's into an iPod format, and away you go...

[quote name="whtcrxghst"]I have actually heard that the difference will be only software and not hardware. Will know for sure after SEMA the first week of November

[quote name="ducatiboy"]

I highly doubt it.[/quote][/quote]

Curious what would happen to the pre-June 2006 "flashing" workaround...if they disable that, would they "enable" the wire-ground method? Or would the early adopters be totally screwed....

Time will tell...

[quote name="Slick 6MT"]http://www.avic411.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1922&highlight=ipod

Search is your friend.[/quote]


...which in this case leads him to a thread that does not answer his question. There's no way that I can see that a playlist will show anything other than songs, even if you creat a Smary Playlist organized by "artists whose names start with A...." You will still be presented a combined list of songs from all artists who begin with A.

It would be nice if it were otherwise, but the real culprit is Pioneer's piss-poor implementation of the iPod interface.

[quote name="Cirbirus"] [quote name="thrang"]
You can then reselect ipod on the Z1, and use the controls on the ipod, [b]through[/b] the onscreen display for me sometimes does not show all information correctly.[/quote]

I think you mean "though" not "through". Your mistypeing had me thinking there was a work around that allowed you to use the iPod's controls on the Z1's screen. Then you mentioned using video and you completely threw me for a loop.

So, to clarify, You CAN NOT use the built in iPod menu of the Z1 to play videos. You must use an A/V adapter cable and the iPod's controls.

What you were talking about is using the iPod itself to control the iPod because the Z1's interface is hopelessly broken.[/quote]

Sorry, though is what I meant - I usually catch throse, I mean those.... :-)

[quote name="madmanfrommars"]If you look on ebay you'll find people who have auctions for ways to utilitize the actual ipod controls because the radio interfaces (except for the n3) are terrible.[/quote]'

Actually there is a workaround posted on these forums here somewhere, about letting the iPod go into a sleep mode after not using for a period of time (Z1 on another input while the ipod is connected), and then hitting the menu button on the ipod to get it to back out to the main menu.

You can then reselect ipod on the Z1, and use the controls on the ipod, through the onscreen display for me sometimes does not show all information correctly. But if you're going to do that, just get the iPod AV cable that plugs into the headphone jack and connect to the AUX input on the Zq, and get pictures and video too - slightly lower quality, but in a car, you really can't tell.

My synopis of the workaround above may not be entirely right, so search here to find the details posted by another forum member. I've only dont it a few times, so I don't remember precisely...

[quote name="whtcrxghst"]Not to the Z1, on some(not all) of the 07 models

[quote name="thrang"] [quote name="whtcrxghst"]Pioneer will offer a cable next year too if it makes you feel better

[/quote]

Not following - you're saying that Pioneer is going to release an update to the iPod interface for the Z1?Where have you read about this?

Thanks[/quote][/quote]

So the Z1 will be "obsolete" by 2007? nice...

[quote name="ducatiboy"] [quote name="thrang"]
I'm a bit confused - when I had the unit installed, I instructed the installer not to attach the parking brake, and not to ground it - just tape the end up and leave it free.

While I have your flasher, I haven't installed it yet, so I've still been manually flashing the lights. When I start the car, I ALWAYS get the parking brake warning, but the flashing bypass ALWAYS works.[/quote]

Well for this to happen, someone grounded the parking brake and drove around with it grounded. I don't know if you did that first or your installer did that, but someone did and didn't reset it after pulling the ground.

[quote name="thrang"]Is it likely that it was never "reset," so perhaps the installer left the wire as instructed, but I'm getting the message anyway? Yet the bypass functionality is there - I've driven upwards of an hour, and I've never lost the functionality.[/quote]

If you have manually flashed the lights and it was bypassed and then didn't and realized it was not bypassed, then yes, he probably pulled the parking brake wire from ground and didn't reset the unit.

[quote name="thrang"]

BTW, there are multiple "resets" for the Z1 - which one do I perform to clear the message? And what else does this reset clear/wipe out?

Thanks[/quote]

reset the unit by pressing the little recessed button to the right of the eject button.[/quote]

Thanks - I'll give it a shot tonight...

[quote name="matthieuallie"]The different reset levels are explained in the manual (at the end).
it also explains what is/is not whiped out after the reset.

Even though I get the parking brake alarm (and I think my brake wire is grounded), the maunal flashing does seem to work sometimes...
But as per Ducatiboy, i will have the brake wire disconnected and will probably get one of his circuit too.[/quote]

I'm not sure the manual will explain which reset to perform to illegally clear the parking brake warning message....so can anyone let me know?

[quote name="ducatiboy"]Yep, it's grounded. You don't want that (at least not only that). If your unit was made in July 06 or newer, then ground that and the the connector 2 wire grounded.

[url=http://www.sminntech.com/z1flash.html]http://www.sminntech.com/z1flash.html[/url] (check the 07/06 bypass)

If your unit was made in June or before then you absolutely want that parking brake wire NOT grounded. It won't work.[/quote]


I'm a bit confused - when I had the unit installed, I instructed the installer not to attach the parking brake, and not to ground it - just tape the end up and leave it free.

While I have your flasher, I haven't installed it yet, so I've still been manually flashing the lights. When I start the car, I ALWAYS get the parking brake warning, but the flashing bypass ALWAYS works.

Is it likely that it was never "reset," so perhaps the installer left the wire as instructed, but I'm getting the message anyway? Yet the bypass functionality is there - I've driven upwards of an hour, and I've never lost the functionality.

BTW, there are multiple "resets" for the Z1 - which one do I perform to clear the message? And what else does this reset clear/wipe out?

Thanks

[quote name="whtcrxghst"]Pioneer will offer a cable next year too if it makes you feel better

[/quote]

Not following - you're saying that Pioneer is going to release an update to the iPod interface for the Z1?Where have you read about this?

Thanks

[quote name="bongus"]From my understanding, the quickest connection between an iPod and an aftermarket radio is found in the Alpine units...it is a direct digital to digital interface.[/quote]

So I wonder what Pioneer did, since they also licensed use of the dock connector...why not do it right?

It's frustrating how may companies don't really care much about what they do. If you're going to design something as capable as the Z1, don't you think you'd want to make sure anything else you design to connect to it would not diminish the user experience, like the iPod interface or even the SIRIUS implementation (why couldn't they just mirror the XM interface, which works better).

I admire Apple's philosophy. They work incredibly hard to make sure there are no weak links in their product chain, and if they find one, they usually work very hard to fix it. From their OS, to their hardware, to the iPod, to their bundled apps - it's a rather incredible experience. I imagine Jobs' edict is fairly simple - "if we can't do it twice as good as everyone else, we won't do it." They don't hit the mark everytime, but far more often than almost any other consumer electronics company I can think of.

If the Pioneers and Sonys of the world would develop that same committment, things would be much better.

[quote name="travisj315"]If there are any Nav traffic owners i want to know how do you like the XM Nav traffic, is it worth buying? What are some of the benefits of having Nav Traffic? Also what other options do you have when using the XM? I was reading in my AVIC-N3 manual and it looks like you can also view stocks, view sports scores, and etc.[/quote]

I'm question the value and may cancel - I'm in Northern NJ, and many popular arteries don't seem to be covered - Route 4, 17, 208, 3, etc.

[quote name="hasher13"]If you read my other post "Well... It finally happened" you would know that my AVIC Z-1 was stolen. I wrote an email to pioneer stating what happened and how dissapointed I am in the product and the lack of security. I got a response, to call Pioneer complaint line and disccuss the problem over the phone, so I did. I learned so much. The most important thing that I learned is that they have no tracking mechanisms for the registered products. Meaning there is no way to track the unit via serial number or registration. It is only for updats and future information. So, in my case if someone obtained my unit and registered it with pioneer using the same serial numbers, there will be no flag to pioneer stating that this product is already registered and possible stolen or different owner. The new person would receive updates with no problem. That is really dissapointing.

The other thing is that, at this time there is no security upgrade or one in progress for the unit????

The only encouraging thing that came from this phone call is that my email and complaint will be submitted to a superior as well as the navigation engineers. I also left my number and email address and maybe, just maybe I wll get contacted in the future by one of these. Time will only tell.

Okay, just an F.Y.I![/quote]

The simple addition of an optional security code would help. i'm also thinking of replacing the standard hex bolts with something something more secure:

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