ducatiboy

[quote name="edrock200"]Wow thanks for that write up ducatiboy! I apreciate it.

I do utilize the bypass trick and I'm not with verizon, so it looks like I'll be in good shape. I have heard complaints about the echoing and voice quality, but since I don't have a BT module yet I have no experience. I will say though that the mic does a good job of relaying my speech since the HU has never had a problem understanding me. I did mount the mic very close to me though. If the voice quality is really bad with the BT unit I will invest in a noise cancelling mic.[/quote]

Well, you are very welcome... if you don't have Verizon you should be able to transfer your phone book one and a time.

I have the bluetooth unit installed and the voice quality is very poor from what people tell me. My mic pics up my voice really well to, very good job at voice recognition with my set up as well too. But it also picks up the other people's voices which are on the car's speakers and re-transmits them (I think). Everyone I talk to says they hear a really bad echo, their voice echoed is much louder than my voice. Could it be hearing what the unit is playing in the speakers? Or is it some other problem. It's not the phone, the Parrot sounded really good.

I don't know if a different mic would make a difference. I was thinking of hooking up the mic from the Parrot to see if it makes a difference. My mic is mounted at the top of the A pillar which, me being over 6 foot puts the mic really close to me. It's no more than a foot away. And the front door speakers are near my ankles at the bottom of the doors.

If it was as easy as installing a different Mic, I would have one on order tomorrow. I love the integration and if you do the bypass it's usable, but the sound quality is what is still lacking.

[quote name="jkawar"]Sorry....I didn't log in last time. I have a chevy trailblazer and stil can't get the bypass to work. It's been 3 days I've been trying!! :-(. Everything is hooked up per manufacturer spec. The truck has daytime running lights, and it doesn't have a convention pul out/push in typre headlight switch. It one that turns and the only way to turn off the lights are to turn the sping loaded knob to the left which automatically returns back to it's original position and turns of the parking and headlamps. Anyone have any ideas why I can't get this to work?[/quote]

I'm sorry you are having trouble but it does work. It's very much a timing thing. But with your lights on all the time, have you checked your illumination wire? You might need a switch or something extra. Go to your hardware connection screen and it will show the illumination input wire and if it's high or low. If your lights are "off" and that line is low, then figure out what makes that go "high" and make sure when it's booting up, you flip it to high.

First boot up the system and don't try to bypass anything. Go to that hardware connection screen and look at the wire. If you haven't done anything and it's "low", what do you do with your car at night? Do you turn something on when it gets dark? If you do does that line go "high" (it says this on the screen). You need to turn your car on and have it start low, when you see the "now starting pioneer navigation" screen make it go high and then low again. Bypass complete.

Something else to try, look at the nav screen and put it in "driver's view" or that cool 3d mode. Is the sky blue or is it night time. Find what ever headlight swtich you have and turn it on and off, when you turn it on, the sky should go to night sky and then when you turn it off, it will go back to blue sky.

If you can't do this with a switch in your car (like those of us can without daytime running lights) then you need to put in an extra swtich or wait for those of us who are messing with processors to make you a hookup. Or you can just believe us and put in a TR7. Unless you have a different firmware than I have, I would assume all Z1's are the same across the country (at least so far... how many different versions could they have made?).

[quote name="edrock2000"] [quote name="ducatiboy"]
That's weird, cause I used to have a Parrot CK3100 and I think that has way more features than this pioneer. Sounds better too. The motorola one did stink though.[/quote]

Just out of curiosity what did it do that the pioneer doesn't? It looks like a neat product, I'm running the Handsfree Solutions PFK unit in one of my cars, it has pretty neat voice recognition and such, but I've never heard of the Parrot unit.[/quote]

The Parrot will download your address book automatically over the DUN protocol or over OBEX. Verizon disables your bluetooth on your phones and kills most of the protocols available with Cingular or whoever cause they don't want you sharing ring tones or pictures without you paying them for them. So if you have a Verizon phone (and you hack your firmware) at best you can transfer one phone book person at a time manually to the pioneer. If you don't hack your firmware, you can't do it at all (with the pioneer), you have to enter all your contacts manually. And with the Parrot it downloads them automatically.

And with the pioneer (and I'm assume you don't do the little bypass trick), the only way to use your contact list that you program in manually is to pull over, stop and put on the emergency brake. With the parrot you can do all this while you are moving. If you do the little bypass trick the bluetooth on the pioneer comes real close except that you have to program your addresses one at a time if you have a Verizon phone. If you use the bluetooth while you are driving and as pioneer intended, and you want to make a call, you can bark a phone number at it or call one of your 5 favorite numbers. If you don't remember the phone number and it's in your contact list you need to pull over, and put on your emergency brake to access your contact list. The parrot will let you access it while moving (actually it doesn't even care, it doesn't know if you are moving or stopped). And like the pioneer integrated system, the parrot will play through your speakers and mute your radio when the phone rings.

The one thing the pioneer has is integration with the nav data, the parrot does not have that.

The one thing the parrot does have over the pioneer is that it has GOOD sound processing. The sound processing on the Parrot CK3100 is AWESOME! The processing on the pioneer SUCKS! The pioneer is probably the worse sounding speakerphone for me and VERY bad for people on the other end. Mine has a really bad echo for the people who call me. The parrot sounded really really good.

But other than that they are about the same :)

I have the Z1 installed. I have a torx driver to unscrew it. I even have the 2.5 inch to 3.5 inch ata adapter to put the drive in my desktop (which seems to be always open with stuff dangling out of it). But I have this nagging fear I will mess something up :( if I start to mess with it. How cool would it be that you could just put in the adapter and read it in a standard PC. I should probably rip a couple albums to the drive to see the directory layout.

I heard that the Z1 is running Windows for mobiles 5. I haven't confirmed this yet, but it sounds good. If so, I wonder how they formatted the drive.

I would think that just to be safe, you might want to have the unit compleately removed from your car (no power at all) to be safe if you pull the drive out.

[quote name="spudwh0re"]Make sure your mic is not pointing at a speaker, if that dosent help turn the volume down, if that dosent work then add a layer of grill cloth over the mic. If that dosent work, get drunk and forget about it.[/quote]

I have it up on the top of the A pillar, right where my Parrot CK3100 was placed. And that was PERFECT audio. And it uses the front car speakers just like the pioneer bluetooth does. Now the Parrot used a physicaly different microphone. But they were sitting in the same spot, and the front speakers are at the bottom of the doors.

So the Parrot was using a mic in the same location as the pioneer is. It was also using the same speakers as the pioneer is. It had NO echo. Peope tell me the pioneer one is really bad. It doesn't sound too bad to me, but they say it sucks. So I know it's not the speaker or microphone (unless the pioneer microphone is really that bad, at least it's not placement). Since the main differences between the Pioneer Z1/BT1 and my parrot CK3100 was the brain/sound processing.... I would say it's pioneer not doing appropriate sound processing.

That's just my guess. Unless anyone has actually used the bluetooth thing and doesn't have any echo for the other person.

And if you are going to use the bluetooth setup on the Z1 you are going to HAVE to do the bypass light on and off trick. The stuff they "grey out" with the parking brake off really limits the phone functionality. It has voice commands, but the voice commands won't even register if you have the parking brake off. You have to do the bypass trick to even make the functionality come close to the Parrot CK3100.

[quote name="htrdlnc"]
The only problem with the Alpine Bluetooth is that it does not have any advanced features like the Pioneer. So basically it is like a Parrot or Motorola hands-free kit.[/quote]

That's weird, cause I used to have a Parrot CK3100 and I think that has way more features than this pioneer. Sounds better too. The motorola one did stink though.

[quote name="edrock200"]Installers, the pac-tr7 has this long disclaimer about always hooking it's outputs to relays, not to the device, is this just a liability statement or is there real danger in wiring it directly?[/quote]

I looked on PAC's web site and I didn't see the specs I was looking for (max amount of current it can supply). Most likely this is a disclaimer of some sorts. If you hook it up to something which draws too much current then you can hurt your TR7. There is no danger like blowing up your radio or car or anything, but at worse case you would render your TR7 inoperatable. If you were going to use it to turn on 7 amps or something, then yes, you should use a relay. If you were just going to hook it to something like the illumination sense in on your Z1 you won't need any relay.

[quote name="infinkc"]pic would be alot cheaper, you can use a pic12c508 or 12c509 that has an internal oscillator, and program it very easily, you would need an transistor for the outputs and a voltage regulator also. total cost would be about $6-8 if that.[/quote]

Heck, even the PIC10F200 should be able to do this as well. Not a big deal they are both $0.50.

My thoughts are for 12 V in and Ground. Also unhook the illumination wire from the Z1 and plug it into this device. Then one output, the illumination wire to the Z1.

You need 1 processor, 1 5V regulator. Maybe a couple of resistors for a voltage divider for the illumination input to a input pin on the processor. And a fet to connect the 12 V which was the input for this and the regulator to the illumination out. (haven't worked out all this in my head or drawn it up yet). I'm sure theres a cap or so too also which won't be a bad idea.

Then you can disreguard the illumination in line for the first 5 seconds after power on. You turn on, wait 3 seconds, turn on the headlights for 1 second, then turn them off for 1 second. Then turn on or off the illumination out based on what you see on the illumination in. Then you don't need any diode or anything to "protect" the illumination in.

I do have a Z1 and the single turn on and off works. I have tried it and it does work. The only reason you would need more is incase we have the timing off. I'm guessing on the 3 second wait, 1 second on and 1 second off. But that should be real close.

Should be a rather easy project. I won't be able to really work on it till Monday when I'm supposed to be working.

Any thoughts? I like this idea better than just a turn on and off the line and then it's dumb and you need to hook the illumination line with a diode or something.

Yah, I have a V710 too. And usually the best you get from Verizon bluetooth is handsfree protocol and the Dial up networking protocol. But the phone can transfer your address book via the DUN protocol. Most things just aren't smart enough to do it. My Parrot CK3100 is. It will transfer the address book automatically from my V710. I have yet to try pushing one address at a time to the Z1.

I am looking at buying the new one witch is CD-IB100ii but what is the difrence between the CD-IB100 and CD-IB100ii?

 

I emailed Pioneed support about this and this was the reply:

 

The only difference between the CD-IB100 and CD-IB100II is the connector was change to make it more secure with the iPod connection.

 

 

Thank You,

 

Lori

Customer Service Representative

Ok, I got my bluetooth installed Wed night (two nights ago) and have some major problems with it.

My first is that the phone book was not accessable while the vehicle is in motion. Well, if you turn the lights on and off while it's booting, we fix that. so it's not that big of a deal.

My real problem is there seems to be no audio processing at all. When someone talks and you hear them though the speakers, the Z1 picks up thier voice and re-transmits it back to them. Everyone I have called (and it's about 3) says they hear themselves louder than me and with a really bad echo.

Anyone else confim this? Could it be me? My setup?

Instead of doing the PAC TR7 and possibly using a diode, I was thinking that you could use a small PIC and have the illumination wire go into that and then one of the outputs would come out of that. Write a page of code that when it comes on the first time, it would (even if your lights were on) have the line to the Z1 be off, then turn it on and off, and then after a few seconds, let the real state of the illumination "come though". Shouldn' t be too hard to set up. We are supposed to have a "personal development goal" to work on at work every now and then. I think I just came up with a cute little project. :)

How is this?

[url=http://www.sminnick.com/AviatorRadio/]http://www.sminnick.com/AviatorRadio/[/url]

It installed real nice in my 03 Lincoln Aviator. I even used a PAC SWI-PS to save my steering wheel control!