My bluetooth is now on the fritz... it connects/disconnects/connects/disconnects over and over. Its now useless. It worked before!

Today when changing bands in XM the thing up and rebooted on me (not a battery issue, my Rogue has 3500 miles on it!).

I was considering waiting to install the next update, but my patience has worn.

I am going to pull it out this weekend and ebay it. Any recommendations for what i should ask? I was thinking 850 bucks with the 16GB SD Card included. I have most if not all the manuals.

Also, if anyone else is planning on, or knows how, to file or enter a class action suit, sign me the hell up!

which model do you have?

class action suit against who? Pioneer?

which model do you have?

 

class action suit against who? Pioneer?

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which model do you have?

 

class action suit against who? Pioneer?

I have a 900BT.

I thought I had read where someone was considering opening a class action suit against Pioneer. They are the ones liable for the quality of their product no?

850 seems fair. id put a reserve price on it just to make sure you get what you want to get..

as for the lawsuit... really? not to be a negative nancy but I don't think anything will be accomplished..your case would basically be "this unit sucks" or maybe false advertising where they advertised everything working but it doesn't.. and if that is your case, their lawyers will find ways to justify Pioneer's flaws. boot time is because it has to load so many features. the boxes are not in their hands, but in iGo's. the iPod failures are Apple's fault, your phone problem isn't pioneer's fault because the majority of all cell phones work, etc etc.

their case, probably with good lawyers, can be a second update is to be released and will take care of the flaws, or if you dont like the unit, you don't have to own it. if their unit did damage to your vehicle, you would most certainly have a case but the most you'd probably get is a refund from them jus to end it.

then again, im not a lawyer, nor do i study law. so if im completely wrong about what I said, then I apologize in advance.

850 seems fair. id put a reserve price on it just to make sure you get what you want to get..

 

as for the lawsuit... really? not to be a negative nancy but I don't think anything will be accomplished..your case would basically be "this unit sucks" or maybe false advertising where they advertised everything working but it doesn't.. and if that is your case, their lawyers will find ways to justify Pioneer's flaws. boot time is because it has to load so many features. the boxes are not in their hands, but in iGo's. the iPod failures are Apple's fault, your phone problem isn't pioneer's fault because the majority of all cell phones work, etc etc.

 

their case, probably with good lawyers, can be a second update is to be released and will take care of the flaws, or if you dont like the unit, you don't have to own it. if their unit did damage to your vehicle, you would most certainly have a case but the most you'd probably get is a refund from them jus to end it.

 

then again, im not a lawyer, nor do i study law. so if im completely wrong about what I said, then I apologize in advance.

Well I dont want to sue them as an individual. I was considering entering a class action with others - it certainly seems like I am not the only person damaged by this system.

I can tell you the majority of problems I am having are due to quality control by Pioneer. And there are enough other people here that it seems that we could get the ball rolling.

I dont want to make money off this. Frankly I wish I could just get my money back. If Pioneer called and offered me cash back to take my 900BT back I would jump on it.

I am certainly not a proponent of lawsuits, as I think they usually are a waste of time and money. But in this instance it seems like Pioneer has really dropped the ball and produced a system that frankly doesnt hold up to what was advertised. I could even argue it is dangerous! When i am driving, its not a good idea for me to be punching buttons trying to get my damned phone or ipod or SD card to work. If it worked as it should, a quick button press and I would be fine.

As it is, I will go ahead and ebay it and hope for the best. Its a damned shame, I was so excited when I got this. But to fork over 1000 bucks for nothing but hair pulling isnt worth it.

Thanks though for your advice.

well best of luck to you with whatever way you go. it's a shame that they really did screw it up, though. I mean personally my only annoyance is that the iPod will fail connection at least once a day as i've gotten used to the slowness of the unit. But to each is own so again, good luck

well best of luck to you with whatever way you go. it's a shame that they really did screw it up, though. I mean personally my only annoyance is that the iPod will fail connection at least once a day as i've gotten used to the slowness of the unit. But to each is own so again, good luck

Well its like this... I had bought a Sprint Mogul, "best" most expensive phone Sprint had. And it was just so slow as to be unusable. It just frustrated the hell out of me. To spend so much to get back so little. I later bought a Blackberry curve and this thing is SOOO much nicer.

So when I spent 1000 bucks on the Pioneer, I didnt expect perfection, but I certainly didnt expect to spend 1000 bucks to be frustrated, and to have to "get used to" a slow system.

I mean, I have to sit in my car for 5 or 6 seconds before i can even put it in reverse... sure, I will survive, but I want my 6 seconds back! In fact, since I do that 4 to 10 times a day, I want all that time back!

If this had been a Jensen I could understand, but Pioneer? I have had nothing but the best luck with Pioneer's stuff in the past.

So now, I am looking forward to finding something nice to replace this with, something that I can be as happy with as I am with my Blackberry...

have a look (make sure to test it!) at the kenwood dnx5120bt

a guy from my distributor went for training yesterday @ Pioneer and they said they're coming up very soon with a new bluetooth FW release from Parrot (company who makes the bluetooth interface for Pio) which will take care of issues including the ability to succesfuly pair with the blackberries, it sux cus i bought the unit to use as a handsfree, but it doesn't work with my bberry....

a guy from my distributor went for training yesterday @ Pioneer and they said they're coming up very soon with a new bluetooth FW release from Parrot (company who makes the bluetooth interface for Pio) which will take care of issues including the ability to succesfuly pair with the blackberries, it sux cus i bought the unit to use as a handsfree, but it doesn't work with my bberry....

I know it's not a BB, but my RIZR works flawlessly with the hands free bluetooth.

I know it's not a BB, but my RIZR works flawlessly with the hands free bluetooth.

Most phones do connect without problem. It's mostly BB's (and other smart phones) and iPhones that the unit has problems with.

I still really hate this unit. My TTS got all screwed up, and somehow magically is set to Russian. When I try to fix it, it crashes and reboots.

When I turn off the car, it never disconnects my BB, and I have to punch all kinds of buttons.

I disconnects my ipod constantly.

If I am on a call, then a start the car.... after FIVE MINUTES, the bluetooth connects and ruins my call. It doesnt pop up on speaker, it just goes mute. I have to quickly turn set the phone back to normal mode. I cant do this while driving.

Where is this new fix?

I know it's not a BB, but my RIZR works flawlessly with the hands free bluetooth.

 

Most phones do connect without problem. It's mostly BB's (and other smart phones) and iPhones that the unit has problems with.

By the way, the problem with the connect was duplicate entries. That does not sound like a BB problem, I think the bug is in Pioneers court.

I know it's not a BB, but my RIZR works flawlessly with the hands free bluetooth.

 

Most phones do connect without problem. It's mostly BB's (and other smart phones) and iPhones that the unit has problems with.

 

By the way, the problem with the connect was duplicate entries. That does not sound like a BB problem, I think the bug is in Pioneers court.

That's exactly what I said.

I know it's not a BB, but my RIZR works flawlessly with the hands free bluetooth.

 

Most phones do connect without problem. It's mostly BB's (and other smart phones) and iPhones that the unit has problems with.

 

By the way, the problem with the connect was duplicate entries. That does not sound like a BB problem, I think the bug is in Pioneers court.

 

That's exactly what I said.

Sorry if I came off sounding like I was arguing with you. I was just pointing out the solution.

 

I am going to pull it out this weekend and ebay it. Any recommendations for what i should ask? I was thinking 850 bucks with the 16GB SD Card included. I have most if not all the manuals.

 

So you've got a defective unit and you're going to pawn it off at full boat on some poor unsuspecting buyer on eBay. You know that lawsuit you mentioned?? I hope like hell whoever buys your unit finds this thread and sues your butt good. What a nice guy.

Sorry guys...I couldn't help it. That's just so wrong.

So you've got a defective unit and you're going to pawn it off at full boat on some poor unsuspecting buyer on eBay. You know that lawsuit you mentioned?? I hope like hell whoever buys your unit finds this thread and sues your butt good. What a nice guy.

 

Sorry guys...I couldn't help it. That's just so wrong.

He said that about 2 and a half weeks ago, when he created the thread, and IIRC, he's currently waiting on selling it until the new update is released. Any "defects" his unit has are the same that every other F series owner has.

Im sorry, but that was a pretty aggressive/ignorant post.

 

I am going to pull it out this weekend and ebay it. Any recommendations for what i should ask? I was thinking 850 bucks with the 16GB SD Card included. I have most if not all the manuals.

 

 

So you've got a defective unit and you're going to pawn it off at full boat on some poor unsuspecting buyer on eBay. You know that lawsuit you mentioned?? I hope like hell whoever buys your unit finds this thread and sues your butt good. What a nice guy.

 

Sorry guys...I couldn't help it. That's just so wrong.

Its not defective. If it is, then ALL of them are defective.

AND I would have (and may still if I put it back up) take a huge loss on the sale. Probably 300-500 bucks loss.

AND there are plenty of reviews out there now, many of which are mine, talking about how the model has problems.

AND I wouldn't pawn a broken item on ebay, I work for ebay!

WOW - maybe you should read first before insulting someone.

Ohh..I read. You mention about how bad your unit is...how defective it is...and everything that's wrong with it, then you say you're going to put in on eBay and want to know how much to charge for it...and you're talking full price!! Since these can be bought all day long from reputable sources for $800. I stand by my comment...even as strong as it was. What you were going to do was wrong and you know it's the truth. If you decided not to, then good on you. Maybe the fact you work for them made you think twice about that decision.

Maybe I'm so sensitive about this is because I've been burned by this exact sort of thing on eBay.

Ohh..I read. You mention about how bad your unit is...how defective it is...and everything that's wrong with it, then you say you're going to put in on eBay and want to know how much to charge for it...and you're talking full price!! Since these can be bought all day long from reputable sources for $800. I stand by my comment...even as strong as it was. What you were going to do was wrong and you know it's the truth. If you decided not to, then good on you.

I paid over 1200 bucks for what I put on ebay. Maybe prices have dropped since then but I didnt know how much. And if so its because the AVIC-F series sucks.

And I *NEVER* said defective. You clearly did not read.

Also, mine has the same problems everyone else has, so its *NOT* a defective unit. If I sent it in for warranty the replacement unit would be just as problematic.

Also mine came with a 16GB SD card and a 150 dollar reverse camera.

Why don't you read some other threads before making such comments? You explain to me how *MY* unit was defective and then I will admit I was wrong.

The defects discussed are no different than the ones Pioneer sold every F series owner. So you wanna bash one person for selling a "defective" unit? Go complain about a worldwide company selling 10's of thousands of them. If his unit functions the same exact way as it did right out of the box there should be no protest to him wanting to undo what he felt was a mistake. You obviously didn't read anything. Think before you post.

My bluetooth is now on the fritz... it connects/disconnects/connects/disconnects over and over. Its now useless. It worked before!

 

Today when changing bands in XM the thing up and rebooted on me (not a battery issue, my Rogue has 3500 miles on it!).

 

I was considering waiting to install the next update, but my patience has worn.

 

I am going to pull it out this weekend and ebay it. Any recommendations for what i should ask? I was thinking 850 bucks with the 16GB SD Card included. I have most if not all the manuals.

 

Also, if anyone else is planning on, or knows how, to file or enter a class action suit, sign me the hell up!

I'm sorry...but that's a defective unit and you damn well know it. So you're saying that you would sell it like that, and when the buyer complained, you would not refund the money, you would tell him that's normal and to live with it??? Right. Do you really believe that??? If that's the way every one worked...it's not...and Pioneer advertised it that way...they don't... then I would agree it's not defective.

The defects discussed are no different than the ones Pioneer sold every F series owner. So you wanna bash one person for selling a "defective" unit? Go complain about a worldwide company selling 10's of thousands of them. If his unit functions the same exact way as it did right out of the box there should be no protest to him wanting to undo what he felt was a mistake. You obviously didn't read anything. Think before you post.

And that gives you the right to go screw someone else??? Jesus. Absolutely amazing train of thought.

I read everything. Every word of several threads. I know there is a problem with the unit. You bought it...live with it until Pioneer fixes it. Now, if he were to list it on eBay with all the problems it was having, I take back every word. But the price he was going to ask kind of says that isn't going to happen doesn't it.

The Bluetooth issue is a widespread problem among members here, that's not a problem with his one single unit.

The rebooting situation is not uncommon. The thing is a computer, if it processes too much at once it will shut down and restart. it's happened to me many times when i try to to input a destination while its still starting up. Doesn't mean my unit's defective.

Of course Pioneer didn't advertise it that way! How can they sell a $1,000 unit if everyone knows the problems? That's why there was talk of a lawsuit, false advertising is looked down upon these days.

Do you even own an F Series? Because if not, you had NO IDEA what you're talking about from the start.

How is it screwing someone else? Just because he's unhappy with the unit doesn't mean the buyer will be unhappy too. You're speaking for 'some innocent unaware consumer' when you don't even know the person or what he or she looks for in a unit. Tacoma doesn't like it, where I love it. Your case has no solid ground so just stop bashing and let it go.

Tacoma, jus ignore 'im, you're doing nothing wrong if you sell it.