Seeing as how the op has already returned his nav and got the clarion installed, there were a few (myself included) that would support him in a class action. However, I don't think anyone else is so inclined to start the process over.

I do not think that 'count your losses' is the correct attitude. Companies shouldn't be pushing this crap to the public. As long as we accept it, they will continue to do it. As the previous poster says, instead of just complaining on a forum no one at pioneer could care less about, we all need to contact them with the specific issues that each of us are experiencing. Hopefully they care enough about their existing customers to release a new update. If not they will just push it to end of life and start on the next version to rip us off with. I will be doing my part, but seriously, this is a very lackluster product and I don't think I will keep it around long enough to see a new update.

It's too late to save me as a future customer for pioneer in-dash navigation systems. I know I have their lowest end model, but their highest end model was just as unimpressive. Even for the low price I paid, I feel ripped off and taken advantage of as a consumer.

Hi all!!

 

Just got a refund from my dealer today. And got a clarion MAX983HD installed. Now THAT'S a good navigation system. Startup almost instant. Much more user-friendly. Even more functionalities. And I haven't found one single bug (yet ), where I had found many the first day on my Pioneer.

 

Sorry to all persons that are frustrated with their Pioneer device. Thanks for your support. I sincerely hope you can find a decent arrangement with your dealer too.

 

To all the others that are happy, pretend to be happy or force themselves to be happy, good luck with your f-series.

 

And last but not least to my dear Diane. Count to ten slowly again and say: 'I should not feel offend this quickly'. I never felt offend myself, even though some people write in a rather direct way, and I never intended to offend anyone either, nor did my quality of life go down because of the purchase of the f-series, I'm just being honest with myself, try to have eye for detail and stand up for my rights, and this all while having fun. That's all.

 

This said, I have to say this is a great forum with lots of interesting visitors. And I have visited it with great interest every single time. Keep up the good work!!! Hope I can find a similar one for my Clarion. However I doubt it. That, I guess, is the negative side of a device that is working well...

Mastrch,

I am happy that you were able to return the unit. However, in reading your first post you said that this was not about the money but to get Pioneer to not release a product that was inferior or incomplete. Was your intent of the class action law suit just to get the purchase price back? Are you going to pursue this law suit now that you have received a refund?

I'm in the debating phase right now and appreciate all the input from this board. Honestly, the AVIC411 forums are one of the biggest selling points of this unit.

we all need to contact them with the specific issues that each of us are experiencing. Hopefully they care enough about their existing customers to release a new update.

Members did do that already, there are threads upon threads of members posting their experience with pioneer tech. The same answer every time was "your unit needs to be sent in", regardless of the problem. They don't care and shoving these problems down their throat won't do a singe thing.

Just got a refund from my dealer today. And got a clarion MAX983HD installed. Now THAT'S a good navigation system. Startup almost instant. Much more user-friendly. Even more functionalities. And I haven't found one single bug (yet ), where I had found many the first day on my Pioneer.

 

Sorry to all persons that are frustrated with their Pioneer device. Thanks for your support. I sincerely hope you can find a decent arrangement with your dealer too.

 

To all the others that are happy, pretend to be happy or force themselves to be happy, good luck with your f-series.

 

And last but not least to my dear Diane. Count to ten slowly again and say: 'I should not feel offend this quickly'. I never felt offend myself, even though some people write in a rather direct way, and I never intended to offend anyone either, nor did my quality of life go down because of the purchase of the f-series, I'm just being honest with myself, try to have eye for detail and stand up for my rights, and this all while having fun. That's all.

 

This said, I have to say this is a great forum with lots of interesting visitors. And I have visited it with great interest every single time. Keep up the good work!!! Hope I can find a similar one for my Clarion. However I doubt it. That, I guess, is the negative side of a device that is working well...

I bet if we looked on some MAX983HD forum soon you will be on there bitching and moaning as well. Good riddance.

Hi all!!

 

Just got a refund from my dealer today. And got a clarion MAX983HD installed. Now THAT'S a good navigation system. Startup almost instant. Much more user-friendly. Even more functionalities. And I haven't found one single bug (yet ), where I had found many the first day on my Pioneer.

 

Sorry to all persons that are frustrated with their Pioneer device. Thanks for your support. I sincerely hope you can find a decent arrangement with your dealer too.

 

To all the others that are happy, pretend to be happy or force themselves to be happy, good luck with your f-series.

 

And last but not least to my dear Diane. Count to ten slowly again and say: 'I should not feel offend this quickly'. I never felt offend myself, even though some people write in a rather direct way, and I never intended to offend anyone either, nor did my quality of life go down because of the purchase of the f-series, I'm just being honest with myself, try to have eye for detail and stand up for my rights, and this all while having fun. That's all.

 

This said, I have to say this is a great forum with lots of interesting visitors. And I have visited it with great interest every single time. Keep up the good work!!! Hope I can find a similar one for my Clarion. However I doubt it. That, I guess, is the negative side of a device that is working well...

I doubt that. A person like you will always find things to complain about no matter what. And it will only get worse as you age. Then you will die lonely and miserable. Enjoy your clarion for the moment. I will continue to convince myself that my f90 is an awesome unit. In fact I just convinced my self it is better than your Clarion:)

What he is gonna complain about is that model is discontinued and the new ones will ship soon. Oops! Should've checked the clarion website for the 09 models before accepting it

All give Mastrch some credit.

What I have found in reading the hundreds of posts on the F series, Z series etc. over the last year or so is a majority of posters think second best is a "Winner".

Only a fool would excpet sub-par performance. You know what they say, "Winners get to F' the prom queen, losers look at the prom queens picture"

All admit I have been a Pioneer die hard for more years then I care to remember. In fact I was one of the first people in the US to get the first SuperTuner in the mid 70's when they came out.

If any of you had taken the time as I did to look at the Clarion MAX983HDD you would have first discovered the unit is not sold in the US only in Europe. Any sight that talks about it, raves about it. Especially the Porsche guys. A link to the manual for those that are interested in seeing all its features. http://www.clarion.com/mt/en/MungoBlobs ... -ENG,9.pdf

To bad it's not available in the US.

I found a bunch of Videos from varies countries and it looks like a great unit. One thing for sure it fires right up and has a lighting fast touch screen. (FWIW)

All give Mastrch some credit.

 

 

Especially the Porsche guys. (FWIW)

You just talked me out of it! Guys who like Porsches don't have a clue obviously.

Phew, glad that guy got over himself.

A lawsuit even hinting of originating from this website would probably get us shut down.

Boy, I never even dreamt of my messages invoking this much response.

1600+ reads in not even 4 days... Or a person reading this post every 3 minutes!!

I just came back out of curiousity and for entertainment to this forum and see many, many people still have replied to my post. Jeez, guys, stop forcing yourselves to believe the F-series are the best navigation system ever. It's a free world...

And for those of you that want to see the MAX983HD at work to compare and have your eyes opened. (Sorry if you live in the US, it's not for sale in the US)

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... 983HD&aq=f

In a nutshell

Fantastic split screens in navigation mode.

Lane assist view

Lightning fast respons

Almost instant startup time

and so on...

P.S. Trust me I won't be complaining about this GPS system. It really works too well for that. No need to look for a Clarion forum either. No hack/mods/troubleshooting needed. The device delivers exactly what is promises...

MadMonkey. Thanks for your support. Guess you, along with the other persons that were constructive are the only ones in here that are being honest with himself.

To the others, have fun looking at the prom queen's picture

This will be my last post on this forum. I'll move on with my Clarion GPS now.

God I hate people like him..people who think their opinion is the only right one and downtalk others'. Good Riddance..

MadMonkey. Thanks for your support. Guess you, along with the other persons that were constructive are the only ones in here that are being honest with himself.

 

To the others, have fun looking at the prom queen's picture

 

This will be my last post on this forum. I'll move on with my Clarion GPS now.

To the others, have fun looking at the prom queen's picture

 

This will be my last post on this forum. I'll move on with my Clarion GPS now.

I don't ever want to hear you have a picture of my prom picture, that would just give me the creeps!

pssst, guys, is he really gone? really? Pleeeease say yes.

I don't ever want to hear you have a picture of my prom picture, that would just give me the creeps!

_discreetly hides prom pictures_

Dear Mastrich,

I'm glad you managed to return your unit. Don't worry. Loosers will never accept that they are one. So will naturally defend their ideas to look smart and justify the time and money spent to do what Pioneer had to do.

I wish I could find a "looser" to buy mine so I could get a Clarion or Alpine and join you in the "no need for a forum cause works like a charm" neighbourhood.

So long my friend and enjoy being a winner from now on

Dear Mastrich,

 

I'm glad you managed to return your unit. Don't worry. Loosers will never accept that they are one. So will naturally defend their ideas to look smart and justify the time and money spent to do what Pioneer had to do.

 

I wish I could find a "looser" to buy mine so I could get a Clarion or Alpine and join you in the "no need for a forum cause works like a charm" neighbourhood.

 

So long my friend and enjoy being a winner from now on

FWIW.. the word you're looking for is "loser"

I make no illusions of this unit being perfect, what it does; is it met my needs at a reasonable price, I view that as just fine.

Of course it makes it much easier when you have that Clarion available... Since it is not for sale in the States, us here have to do with Pioneer...

The clarion deck he is describing sounds just like the factory installed clarion nav unit on Subarus. The audio sucked (all subaru stereos have sucked), but the nav was perfect in every way. I always imagined aftermarket would be better, but with the f700bt installed I miss my old one. Hopefully some day it or another comparable unit will be available in the us, it truly is a nav done right. Pioneer is a major fail, this thing cant do anything right.

My calls are dropping now and the unit is locking up. After the 45 second boot time it still takes another 15 seconds to connect to my phone and start playing music. When I play music, the unit skips to the next song when there is about 30 seconds remaining on the current song. This thing becomes more troublesome and annoying each day.

Can this thread be locked now? OP has said he is leaving the board and won't post on here any longer so it's moot point to continue.

Looks like now we are just getting people that want to bitch. If you don't like the unit so much, why are you on here?

I don't like Sony products but do I go to ever board there is for their products just to bitch? Nope.

If you like your unit so much, you can shut the fuck up and ignore the threads of the people that dont. No one is forcing their opinion on you.

S4's point is, this thread is moot now. He's right in every respect, I beleive you just proved it.

Can this thread be locked now? OP has said he is leaving the board and won't post on here any longer so it's moot point to continue.

I agree. Locked.