Posted Nov 13, 2006 · 23:54 UTC#26
Nothing will work, short of replacing the DEFECTIVE mic that Pioneer puts out with a good quality mic.
ND BT1 Bluetooth "fix"
Posted Nov 14, 2006 · 03:42 UTC#27
I gues I'm going to fall on the "blue tooth sucks ass" side. Moving the mic did not help and a user should not have to go through so much trouble and "balance" a function like this. I also beleive it's not the mic but the processing of the mic signal to not "pick up" what was just output from the receiving signal. In the digital world of x-rays they can do a digital subtracton of one image from another taken millisconds later but with a contrast agent flowing through an artery with the end resulut of seeing a clear image of the blood flowing through. Same concept. Subtract the signal and it won't echo. :evil:
Let's all keep complaining to the OEM.
digxrayguy
Let's all keep complaining to the OEM.
digxrayguy
Posted Nov 15, 2006 · 15:55 UTC#28
The thread isn't for discussing whether or not the bluetooth sucks with the z1. It does, there's no question about it. Pioneer provided a piss poor implementation out of the box.
This thread IS for discussing a possible work-around for those that would like to try to have a functional system.
While you may just want to complain about the problems, I'd like to try to get things somewhat usable until such time Pioneer provides a solution (which I'm not counting on). So I'd appreciate it if you folks kept such comments to some other thread.
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I played with my bluetooth gain settings, upping my mic gain from 1 to 5. The person I tested with said my voice sounded good, but I had echo with my Z1 at the max phone volume. The next day I dropped the gain from 5 to 3, and was told that my voice was just a bit quiet, and occasionally hard to hear, also sounding somewhat higher pitched than usual. I'll up my mic gain to 4 today which I hope will give me a good mic pickup but also allow me to max out my phone volume on my side. I'll then comment on what this leaves me with (is it usable or not?).
This thread IS for discussing a possible work-around for those that would like to try to have a functional system.
While you may just want to complain about the problems, I'd like to try to get things somewhat usable until such time Pioneer provides a solution (which I'm not counting on). So I'd appreciate it if you folks kept such comments to some other thread.
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I played with my bluetooth gain settings, upping my mic gain from 1 to 5. The person I tested with said my voice sounded good, but I had echo with my Z1 at the max phone volume. The next day I dropped the gain from 5 to 3, and was told that my voice was just a bit quiet, and occasionally hard to hear, also sounding somewhat higher pitched than usual. I'll up my mic gain to 4 today which I hope will give me a good mic pickup but also allow me to max out my phone volume on my side. I'll then comment on what this leaves me with (is it usable or not?).
Posted Nov 17, 2006 · 02:31 UTC#29
Lets try this. Someone PM me their Phone # and a good time to call on Sat and we will try to work this out 2GETHER. Whether or not pioneer so called dropped the ball it seems to be problem with some not all. Diff phones have diff settings and means of functions.
Even before Bluetooth I have had a Cell phone kit in all my cars that I installed and There were issues of Echo even then. Proper mic placement or Vol control was normally the main cause and fixable. Now with Bluetooth in the pic things are diff.
I know for a fact if you have a Center speaker in the front that placing the mic on the Visor is a no go. Think of it this way have you ever heard on a radio show when a caller calls in they have to be told to turn their radio down.......? Well the same thing applies. I have a deep dash behind the wheel and it helps with the BLOCKING of the sound coming back to the mic. Even with mine D1 and CD-BT100 I had a problem at 1st with echo even where the mic is. I turnedd down the phone and up on the HU. Then I went backwards with the adjustments and now I'm clear.
So sorry to say this but I have to be blunt. Stop the Bi%&*(n and lets work on this 2GETHER. Yeah you paid a large amount of money for your sys but it is do-able. And if we get a conference going then so be it. I'm game.
K
Even before Bluetooth I have had a Cell phone kit in all my cars that I installed and There were issues of Echo even then. Proper mic placement or Vol control was normally the main cause and fixable. Now with Bluetooth in the pic things are diff.
I know for a fact if you have a Center speaker in the front that placing the mic on the Visor is a no go. Think of it this way have you ever heard on a radio show when a caller calls in they have to be told to turn their radio down.......? Well the same thing applies. I have a deep dash behind the wheel and it helps with the BLOCKING of the sound coming back to the mic. Even with mine D1 and CD-BT100 I had a problem at 1st with echo even where the mic is. I turnedd down the phone and up on the HU. Then I went backwards with the adjustments and now I'm clear.
So sorry to say this but I have to be blunt. Stop the Bi%&*(n and lets work on this 2GETHER. Yeah you paid a large amount of money for your sys but it is do-able. And if we get a conference going then so be it. I'm game.
K
Posted Nov 17, 2006 · 05:51 UTC#30
I'm pretty sure it is not the mic but the way the Z1 handles voice cancelling. The unit needs to cancel out the callers. This is a function of Mobile Windows. This is something Pioneer needs to fix with an update.
We all need to complain bitterly to Pioneer. This unit costs too much money to operate like this (Bluetooth echo). BT needs to be a useable function or they need to drop support for it; otherwise they are just taking our money.
Some folks are confusing a noise cancelling function with voice (echo) cancelling.
Noise cancelling is like the Bose Quiet Comfort headset... Voice cancelling is what the Pioneer doesn't do....
We all need to complain bitterly to Pioneer. This unit costs too much money to operate like this (Bluetooth echo). BT needs to be a useable function or they need to drop support for it; otherwise they are just taking our money.
Some folks are confusing a noise cancelling function with voice (echo) cancelling.
Noise cancelling is like the Bose Quiet Comfort headset... Voice cancelling is what the Pioneer doesn't do....
Posted Nov 17, 2006 · 06:09 UTC#31
By the way, I had a chat with an engineer and installer over at Pioneer the other day to ask them a question about my Premier DEH-P980BT headunit and just happened to mention that the BT in my Z1 sucked ass. They both told me that they have narrowed the problem down to the firmware and it will be corrected when the next update is released. Of course they wouldn't tell me when that was. They also mentioned that during their testing with the current firmware, they found better results when they tried a microphone with noise cancellation but some echo was still present. Hopefully this is was true and we will have a software fix soon. By the way, this was not an in-person conversation. I called to speak to an installer/product support, asked him my question about the DEH-P980BT, mentioned the echo on the Z1, and then he had the engineer join in on the call.
Posted Jan 26, 2007 · 02:06 UTC#32
I'm having trouble creating the disc for the Bluetooth update. I downloaded the file, unzipped it, and wrote the image to a disc with Nero. I did this with a CDR and also tried a DVD. The Z1 system will not read either disc. I've tried 5 times now. Are there some special settings in Nero that you have to set prior to writing? Is there something else I'm missing?
Posted Jan 26, 2007 · 02:55 UTC#33
rlauderm said:I'm having trouble creating the disc for the Bluetooth update. I downloaded the file, unzipped it, and wrote the image to a disc with Nero. I did this with a CDR and also tried a DVD. The Z1 system will not read either disc. I've tried 5 times now. Are there some special settings in Nero that you have to set prior to writing? Is there something else I'm missing?
When you stick that burned disk into the PC and open it up and look at the files in there... what do you see? Can you see the all the files in there?
When I did mine, I did it as ISO 9660 and mode 1 and 8.3 file names.
And you do know you have to switch to NAV to get it to start the update right?
Posted Jan 26, 2007 · 22:51 UTC#34
That was the critical step I was missing. It was not in the NAV mode. Tried it agan and it worked, thanks....
Posted Aug 23, 2007 · 04:44 UTC#35
Is there anyone with the bluetooth that feels it works great? ANYONE?
Posted Aug 29, 2007 · 05:49 UTC#36
sound out of one speaker... I've seen this suggested, how is this done?
just got my unit installed, same issue.
has anyone experimented with high-gain, higher quality microphones?
Posted Aug 29, 2007 · 13:11 UTC#37
sound out of one speaker... I've seen this suggested, how is this done?
just got my unit installed, same issue.
has anyone experimented with high-gain, higher quality microphones?
Its in the av settings. You can change it from both speakers to right speaker only.
Posted Jan 10, 2008 · 05:48 UTC#38
Is there anyone with the bluetooth that feels it works great? ANYONE?
Yes, mine works great (as far as I know). That is, I've never had anyone tell me they heard an echo at all. I think my wife would have bitched about it during the numerous phone calls I've made to her while driving.
I bought my AVIC Z1 the moment they became available. Then I got the BT adaptor the moment they were available.
The whole BT thing has worked great from the start.
I have a 2000 Jetta TDI. Mic is clipped into a seam in the headliner, above the driver sun visor.
Posted Feb 07, 2008 · 21:08 UTC#39
Just upgraded my Z1 to the new Z2 software and added the BT adapter. I am having the dreaded BT echo issues something terrible. Is the new Z2 software suppose to fix the echo issue or has Pioneer decided to ignore the issue on a $1000.00 + piece of equipment?
Posted Feb 07, 2008 · 21:48 UTC#40
The Z2 software already has the bluetooth update. Try different mic placement, sound out of one side of the speakers, ect. as mentioned on this forum
Just upgraded my Z1 to the new Z2 software and added the BT adapter. I am having the dreaded BT echo issues something terrible. Is the new Z2 software suppose to fix the echo issue or has Pioneer decided to ignore the issue on a $1000.00 + piece of equipment?
Posted Feb 07, 2008 · 21:48 UTC#41
Is there anyone with the bluetooth that feels it works great? ANYONE?
I love mine, and from what I've heard, nobody I talk to on it hears any sort of echo. All I did was what was suggested a million times before: Pair your phone while its speaker volume was at its lowest setting.
Oh, and I turned down the voice output on the Z2 a bit... (the default, middle setting is still loud enough to cause echo).
Posted Feb 08, 2008 · 13:39 UTC#42
Thank you gents for the replies. I was hoping there would be a silver bullet in the Z2 image which would have resolved the issue all together. I'll try the suggestions and see what happens! Again...thanks for the input!!
Chris