So a quick search on Pioneer's website will lead you to an AVIC-X Series 3.0 Firmware update. It is roughly the same size as 2.0 and can be downloaded for free. Not only that but in the update, there is NO mention of the X Series. There is however mention of the F Series

[2008 Navigation Application Release Record]

Product : AVIC-F500BT/F700BT/F900BT

20090623 10:09

Release File : APL

Release Version : 3.010100 20090623

[2009 Navigation Platform Release Record]

Product : AVIC-F700BT/AVIC-F900BT

Fri. Apr. 24 12:00:00 2009

Release File : PLT

Release Version : 6.2.1.9

I personally was not able to boot the update, I did have the balls to overwrite my files in testmode with the update files which did not work. Next step I will try just copying the APL folder.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/ ... port?tab=B

http://ds1.downloadtech.net/cn1010/firm ... Update.zip

Get it while it's hot

maybe with the ezrider hacked and the igo 8.3 maps it will work....

maybe with the ezrider hacked and the igo 8.3 maps it will work....

Maps are no problem i gues but the ezrider ????

Doesnt work. I have copied the APL folder of the update over the APL folder on the F900. Result: crash at startup.

So it wont work that easyly... I wish it would but it doesnt.

So the problem isnt the ezrider but the mainmenu.exe. It doenst even complete bootup.

Doesnt work. I have copied the APL folder of the update over the APL folder on the F900. Result: crash at startup.

 

So it wont work that easyly... I wish it would but it doesnt.

 

So the problem isnt the ezrider but the mainmenu.exe. It doenst even complete bootup.

I get the same thing. If I boot into WinCE and run mainmenu.exe by hand, sometimes I've gotten it to change the screen brightness, and once my iPod got the Pioneer logo on it briefly. But it always crashes, and automatically reboots about half of the time.

Does anyone know how the firmware upgrades work "normally"? What triggers the upgrade process in a standard upgrade situation? The layout of the X-series upgrade files and the 2.006 update don't really look any different to me.

Could it be that the F910BT hardware (custom chips) is a bit different and the code for it won't work on the F700/900 hardware ?

I think is a problem with windows ce version, try to update winceimg.bin to the last version, you can find on AVIC_F710910_APL_3010100_CE_6219\LPUE080\PLT, use the service menu to update wince.

see next post.

viewtopic.php?f=33&t=25424&p=172862&hilit=service+menu#p172862

Could it be that the F910BT hardware (custom chips) is a bit different and the code for it won't work on the F700/900 hardware ?

I'd think the same thing, except for the fact that the firmware only mentions the AVIC-F700BT/AVIC-F900BT and not the 710/910. I am however wondering if we need a full flash backup of a 3.0 drive.

Doesnt work. I have copied the APL folder of the update over the APL folder on the F900. Result: crash at startup.

 

So it wont work that easyly... I wish it would but it doesnt.

 

So the problem isnt the ezrider but the mainmenu.exe. It doenst even complete bootup.

What i meant is using only a hacked ez-rider apl2 folder(but will need a compleed one), maybe this will run without uodating the other unit files, because the hardware is probably a little different.

I don't know how to hack the ez-rider, but if someone does i'll give it a try

any way to test these things w/ an emulator of the exact image of our CE OS's. I know that there were emulator instructions on the wiki, but this seems to launch a pocket pc rather than running a true image of our units?

That would allow for a lot easier and risk free testing, but may not be possible.

Success!!!!!

Well, so far!

1) I updated the WinCE version via the instructions here : viewtopic.php?f=33&t=25424&p=172862&hilit=service+menu#p172862 EXCEPT I choose the update WITHOUT formatting option.

2) Using the new testmode 2.3, moved the old APL to APL.bak, and copied over the 3.0 version

3) Crossed fingers, reset

4) Booted! So far I haven't found any problems - some of the menu items are like in the 3.0 screenshot tour viewtopic.php?t=25031 , basically the non-NAV related items (bluetooth call screen, for example)

5) Its still runing iGo 8.0, since I didnt replace the APL 2 folder. Gonna try replacing that next.

Menus *seem* like they're faster, boot time seems a little bit quicker too.

I'm stuck with iGO at the moment. I'm betting its because the X series update file doesn't include license and map files, so iGo won't start. The system gets "stuck" if I try to do anything NAV related with the 8.3 files in place.

If I boot test mode and try running EZRIDER.exe by hand, the Pioneer logo flashes on the screen for a split second, then disappears. I did copy over my old MAPS and POI folders, to no avail.

I think either EZRIDER.exe needs to be patched to take a different license file, or we need to get a hold of the full APL2 folder from an X series.

Excellent work, question is whether you'll get full functionality before the 3.0 release.

Well, my observations so far:

• [*:1bk4o40a]Menus definately seem quicker
  [*:1bk4o40a]Startup time seems slightly quicker
  [*:1bk4o40a]It now boots up into the iPod screen if thats what I was listening to when I turned the radio off. Before it would just load to the main menu.
  [*:1bk4o40a]Any non-Nav related menu items seem to be like the 3.0 screenshots. However, the system info still displays 2.0 as the version number.

I gave up on getting the APL2 files from the X-series 3.001 update working for now. The existing files seem to operate fine. I'll play around with it more over the weekend.

Great find Moogle.

Do you have Steering Wheel Control? If you do can you check if the Folder/Station Skip works?

(Or.. check it with the Knob on the device. Does pressing up/down do anything when listening mp3 or radio?)

And.. which CE image did u flash? The one from the F910 3.0 update?

I'm stuck with iGO at the moment. I'm betting its because the X series update file doesn't include license and map files, so iGo won't start. The system gets "stuck" if I try to do anything NAV related with the 8.3 files in place.

 

If I boot test mode and try running EZRIDER.exe by hand, the Pioneer logo flashes on the screen for a split second, then disappears. I did copy over my old MAPS and POI folders, to no avail.

 

I think either EZRIDER.exe needs to be patched to take a different license file, or we need to get a hold of the full APL2 folder from an X series.

My gues is, you need maps and license, which can be found on igo forums. And hack ezrider to accept the other lic.

Congrats Moogle! I will attempt this tomorrow.

Success!!!!!

Well, so far!

 

1) I updated the WinCE version via the instructions here : viewtopic.php?f=33&t=25424&p=172862&hilit=service+menu#p172862 EXCEPT I choose the update WITHOUT formatting option.

2) Using the new testmode 2.3, moved the old APL to APL.bak, and copied over the 3.0 version

3) Crossed fingers, reset

4) Booted! So far I haven't found any problems - some of the menu items are like in the 3.0 screenshot tour viewtopic.php?t=25031 , basically the non-NAV related items (bluetooth call screen, for example)

5) Its still runing iGo 8.0, since I didnt replace the APL 2 folder. Gonna try replacing that next.

 

Menus *seem* like they're faster, boot time seems a little bit quicker too.

I repeated your steps Moogle and it worked fine for me too

Button response is A LOT faster now. And Steering Wheel Control DOES work as it should have from the beginning!

(So now when I press up/down I get Station Skip on Radio and I get Folder Skip on MP3 CD/DVD.)

Thats what I wanted... with my hacked Igo8 and up to date maps I am quite happy with my unit now. So Im in no hurry to update further.

But Im still pissed at Pioneer that they HAVE this update, release it for the 910 and let the F900 ppl just sit there and wait when it would be FULLY FUNCTIONAL on the F900 too. Screw you Pioneer!

I repeated your steps Moogle and it worked fine for me too

 

Button response is A LOT faster now. And Steering Wheel Control DOES work as it should have from the beginning!

 

(So now when I press up/down I get Station Skip on Radio and I get Folder Skip on MP3 CD/DVD.)

 

Thats what I wanted... with my hacked Igo8 and up to date maps I am quite happy with my unit now. So Im in no hurry to update further.

 

But Im still pissed at Pioneer that they HAVE this update, release it for the 910 and let the F900 ppl just sit there and wait when it would be FULLY FUNCTIONAL on the F900 too. Screw you Pioneer!

Have you now igo 8 or igo 8.3 ?

I have IGO 8. Someone would have to hack the 8.3 to accept other licenses and I would have to exchange the maps on the unit to 8.3 ones.

But as long as my maps are up to date I am not too eager to get to 8.3

This worked for me as well. I noticed the CommonLib modification posted in a different thread to get rid of navigation warnings didn't work for me anymore. It seemed to have just stayed on the splash screen and freeze there - but besides that - worked great. I just reverted back to the original one bundled w/ the 3.0 APL folder.

Wonder how hard it is to modify the ezrider to work w/ other maps...

Thx,

Ben

I repeated your steps Moogle and it worked fine for me too

 

Button response is A LOT faster now. And Steering Wheel Control DOES work as it should have from the beginning!

 

(So now when I press up/down I get Station Skip on Radio and I get Folder Skip on MP3 CD/DVD.)

 

Thats what I wanted... with my hacked Igo8 and up to date maps I am quite happy with my unit now. So Im in no hurry to update further.

 

But Im still pissed at Pioneer that they HAVE this update, release it for the 910 and let the F900 ppl just sit there and wait when it would be FULLY FUNCTIONAL on the F900 too. Screw you Pioneer!

+1! This update worked for me also and button response is the way it should have been from the get go. Definately alot happier now!

Wow, you guys rock! Its soooo much faster. The presets with steering wheel control is nice too, although it almost always goes up two presets at a time on HD radio for me. On XM it goes up one. Anyone else have that problem?

Now we just need the iGo and we pretty much have 3.0. I'm gonna see if someone on a certain forum where i download maps can hack this ezrider for the generic license

In order to update WinCE do we have to follow all the steps in the post you are referring to? It seems like that process was for an entire reboot of the system so I'm not sure if you have to do all that. Also, when you move the APL file to APL.bak, do you create the APL.bak file before you go into testmode (ie. put it on your SD card prior putting it in the AVIC?). Sorry for the likely stupid questions but I am dying to get the radio presets to work and would love to do this mod, unfortunately I am a total noob (although at least I have already backed up my AVIC prior to any further mods).

Thanks a lot,

HR

Success!!!!!

Well, so far!

 

1) I updated the WinCE version via the instructions here : viewtopic.php?f=33&t=25424&p=172862&hilit=service+menu#p172862 EXCEPT I choose the update WITHOUT formatting option.

2) Using the new testmode 2.3, moved the old APL to APL.bak, and copied over the 3.0 version

3) Crossed fingers, reset

4) Booted! So far I haven't found any problems - some of the menu items are like in the 3.0 screenshot tour viewtopic.php?t=25031 , basically the non-NAV related items (bluetooth call screen, for example)

5) Its still runing iGo 8.0, since I didnt replace the APL 2 folder. Gonna try replacing that next.

 

Menus *seem* like they're faster, boot time seems a little bit quicker too.

Well, HR, the thread Moogle pointed out is just for how to get into the Recovery Menu and how to flash a new CE. And thats all you have to do there. Copy the CE image from the update to a SD card, boot into Recovery by pressing the button combos and then flash the CE Image. (DONT use the "format" option).

Then boot into testmode and basically overwrite the APL folder with the one in the update. Moogle just renamed it but you can just as well back it up to SD and then overwrite it.

As it has been stated numerous times it is always a good idea to back up all files on the unit to a SD card bofore attempting anything like this. So you can always go back to a working installation.

-C