tank you.
I'll give it a shot either today or sunday.

Is there a way to get rid of those warning messages?

When I first installed my Z1, I had ordered up the bypass just in case. Glad I did, even though I had the bypass in, and the wiring harness pin grounded out, I was never able to get the unit bypassed while moving. No matter what I did or how many times I read the forum here and the instructions for the bypass nothing work.

Eventually I ground out the Z1 wire that goes to the parking brake and spliced it into the ground on my iPod connector, essentially just a frame ground, and BAM it worked perfectly. Now the unit thinks the parking brake is constantly on even when I am moving.

Don't know if this will help out but that is the only ground, for some reason, that I found that worked and fixed my problem.

I brought my Z1 to CC to have installed and I asked them to do the bypass for me. One guy said that it's not possible because of the gyro...whatever. So I told him that I have done my research and I know it can be done and I had the Sminntech page loaded up on my Sidekick for him to read. Basically he said he wasn't going to do it.

When I picked up my car a different guy told me that he installed a little flip switch for the ebrake wire I guess. So when I flipped the switch and drove I would get my all my features. It worked for like the first day or two. Now when I begin to move the buttons get disabled and then upon going real slow, close to a stop, the buttons are enabled again. I also get the improper wiring alert as well. Should I get it rewired to the 07/06 bypass or is there something that can be worked with the way they have it set up?

Thanks for the help.

If you get the ebrake incorrectly connected message, that means that the bypass isnt working anymore. Try checking all your connections again. Maybe your wire came loose.

I was thinking that but when I flip the switch on and off the system reacts to that. I got the buttons and then I don't get the buttons. I'll try the reset to get rid of the alerts since I haven't tried that yet. I guess the navi is sensing that I'm moving and maybe overriding the switch that they have installed for the brake.

rbyrnes619 said:

I was thinking that but when I flip the switch on and off the system reacts to that. I got the buttons and then I don't get the buttons. I'll try the reset to get rid of the alerts since I haven't tried that yet. I guess the navi is sensing that I'm moving and maybe overriding the switch that they have installed for the brake.

Nope. The unit should only be relying solely on wether or not your ebrake is grounded (assuming the mute cable is relocated and grounded).

When a Z1 is freshly installed, all you need to bypass the lockouts is grounding the parking brake wire and, rbyrnes619, it sounds like that's all they did.

The problem is that after a few days the unit will calibrate itself and then it will start listening to it's internal gyro. Nothing came loose, it was never connected to begin with. It takes a couple days before warning messages come back. If you haven't done much entering data, songs, messages, etc... you can do a level 4 reset (and clear the 3d calibration settings) and keep using the switch and it will work for a couple more days.

If you want this "bypass" to work more than a couple days you need to go to my web site: http://www.sminntech.com/z1flash.html go to the 07/06 bypass section and you need to do the connection for WIRE #2. If you do that, you can flip that switch and it will work all the time and never give you any errors or lock you back out. You will probably need a reset (recessed button to the right of eject) to get rid of the parking brake message so it will go away and never come back.

When are you supposed to hit the reset button. When the alert message comes up? When it's done loading?

To be honest with you, I don't even know how to get access to these wires. I'm assuming that I have to pull the unit out of the dash. What is the proper way to do that? Is this something that I should do myself or should I take it to a pro with some printed out pages from this forum so that they can see what to do?

rbyrnes619 said:

When are you supposed to hit the reset button. When the alert message comes up? When it's done loading?

To be honest with you, I don't even know how to get access to these wires. I'm assuming that I have to pull the unit out of the dash. What is the proper way to do that? Is this something that I should do myself or should I take it to a pro with some printed out pages from this forum so that they can see what to do?

You can restart it at anytime past the splash screen.

To access the wires you will have to pull the unit out of the dash. Since you got a pro to installed it, I dont know how comfortable you would be doing this. It is up to you to decide that.

I dont know if they will do the bypass for you though, since it is a big legal issue for them.

I'm pretty sure I can do it myself, I just don't know the proper way to pull it out of the dash. I know there are dash tools but I don't have something like that. Any tips on how to remove it?

I usually just use a flat tip screw driver, but that is because i know where the hooks are that are keeping my dash together.

Ok, so I took out my Z1 today for two reasons.

1. To install the mic since CC didn't do it for me the first time. Which, by the way, works great.

2. To look into doing this bypass myself.

So I took it out and looked around to get familiar with it all. I see the Connector 2 and where the wire should be inserted to (Lower right corner).

Now my problem is that I don't know where to get that yellow wire from that is shown in the picture. I know the write up says to use that mute wire but is it labled or should I just know where it is?

Also where to ground it. After I get it inserted into it's proper place, could I just ground it to one of the screws that holds my unit into the dash? Like place the wire between the screw and the frame?

As I previously mentioned, the boys at CC hooked me up with a switch that I can flip on and off for the brake. Does that mean that the brake is grounded at all times or just when the switch is activated to make the system think that it's on?

rbyrnes619 said:

Ok, so I took out my Z1 today for two reasons.

1. To install the mic since CC didn't do it for me the first time. Which, by the way, works great.

2. To look into doing this bypass myself.

So I took it out and looked around to get familiar with it all. I see the Connector 2 and where the wire should be inserted to (Lower right corner).

Now my problem is that I don't know where to get that yellow wire from that is shown in the picture. I know the write up says to use that mute wire but is it labled or should I just know where it is?

Also where to ground it. After I get it inserted into it's proper place, could I just ground it to one of the screws that holds my unit into the dash? Like place the wire between the screw and the frame?

As I previously mentioned, the boys at CC hooked me up with a switch that I can flip on and off for the brake. Does that mean that the brake is grounded at all times or just when the switch is activated to make the system think that it's on?

The mute wire is labeled mute something. It has a tag on it, and can be found on the wire harness. As long as you do not have a ground in your wiring harness you can use the mounting points of your car as a ground. The switch that cc hooked you up with only grounds the wire when it is on. It is not permanently grounded.

Is it safe to say that there isn't another ground in the harness? What would happen if there was one? The only thing that I know was done was the switch for the parking brake.

I'll take another look at it tomorrow, thanks for the help. Where can I get one of those Jewlers tools? I checked two stores today and I couldn't find anything.

You could always just ground it to the blackwire on the main harness....you may not get a good ground going to the mount...a lot of plastic in newer cars...

I grounded it between the metal frame that the unit is held by and the screw that goes into the dash. It seems to be working pretty good now.

Ducatiman, thank you so much for yer help!
The only screw up i had - extra wire was loose..... :roll: :oops: ITS WROKING NOW!!!YAY!!!

Hi guys on my z1 i always did the flash routine and that was god enough for me but for about a week now it does not work can you guy's tell me what happend thanx

Did you do the Bluetooth Update by any chance?

No nothing at all it just stop working everthing else it's fine i just have to step on my emergency brake to see the picture or do any ajustments

Krak73 pmed me so I thought I would post the responses just incase anyone else sees something that jogs their memory or can think of anything else.



Well there are a few things that would cause the flashing to stop working, I'll list what I can think of and you can check some things or tell me I'm way off or whatever.

When you say that you used the flashing technique, I'm assuming that you mean you manually flash your lights. Not that you bought one of my circuits to do it automatically. http://www.sminntech.com/z1flasher.html

1. You updated the Z1 with the pioneer bluetooth update CD. This changes the way the bypass is done. If you do this, flashing will never work again, you have to do this. http://www.sminntech.com/z1flash.html#newbypass

2. Your timing is off, when you flash the lights it's not hitting the right timing. Double check you are doing it right: http://www.sminntech.com/z1flash.html#manualflashing

3. The lights are no longer registering on the Z1. When you turn the lights on does the screen dim and show that the lights have turned on?

4. The parking brake is connected to something or some how grounding. That can screw up the flashing procedure. Sometimes when the parking brake is grounded, it will cause the flashing to fail and when you unground the parking brake it will no longer be bypassed. Is the parking brake sense wire not connected to anything or is it connected to the parking brake?

krak73 said:

yes the technique that i use is manually flash my lights everything was fine i did not do any updates just all of sudden the tehnique stop working i read your response and one thing that i could think off was that i did adjust the lights in the dashboard i went all the way up with the knob in my dashboard but after adjusting it a few times it still don't work so i'm lost well i think that the only thing i can do right now take it to the install center that did the install see if everything is ok but i just blows my mind what could go wrong like i said it worked fine for 2 months hey will see and one more time thank you very much for your help

When you turn on the car, leave the lights off...

Then hit

MENU - SETTINGS - HARDWARE - CONNECTION STATUS

Then turn the lights on and off and watch the Illumination line.

Does it change with the headlights? Do you turn the lights on and that goes from low to high or off to on or whatever the states are?

If that isn't registering correctly then flashing won't do anything.

If that does work, while you are in there, check the parking brake status and make sure it's off.

Make sure you don't see a pop up message about the parking brake when you start the car.

If you don't mind losing AM/FM presets, you can do a level one reset

Recessed button to the right of eject. You won't lose music or nav preferences or important stuff like that.

Then shut off the car and try the bypass.

There is some reason why it stopped working. I'm sure we can narrow down some possibility.



The one thing that I have seen which would just cause the old flashing bypass to stop working was the parking brake, either being on when you try to flash the headlights or it was on for a bit and then you started moving or whatever. The phrase he said where the parking brake is still connected, makes me think you used the parking brake when the unit was bypassed. This starts confusing the Z1, I would disconnect the parking brake sense wire from the parking brake if you are going to flash the lights.

Guys i got the thing fixed with Ducatiboy help its seems in my car 07 pilot when i got my lights in the dashboard all the way up the unit stop registering flashing the lights tehnique so i had to go down 2 turns and its all god ducatiboy thank you you the man

good to hear it worked out for you.

krak73, you are welcome. You know if you are still flashing your headlights manually, I would recommend one of my circuits. www.sminntech.com it will do it automatically for you and you won't have to do anything.

How hard is it to install it can i do it myself?