I don't have a shitty car but I don't think my battery can even take 2-3 hours of drainage. Of course if it was 3 hours long, I would make sure the installer hooked it up to a charger first. Great, all I need now it to get charged labor fees for the installer having to charge my battery after he drains it!
when is the last time you got labor for free at a car stereo shop?
never.
this update is gonna be hard to get in your hands without going to a shop. and as stated before this is a 2-3 hour process.
That's crap! If you've ever done a Pioneer Navi update before, you know there's nothing to it. All you do is pop in the disc and wait. Even if it's a 2-3 hour installation, do you actually think the installer is going to wait in the car that long while the software updates? Hell no! I doubt it if he'd even been in your car for a whole minute.
If the shop doesn't charge you for the time I would be highly surprised. In the end its gonna cost you more than you expect.I would actually be surprised if I did get charged for labor for the install.
i have done many updates before and i am just telling to give you forewarning that no shop is gonna have a car sit in its bay for 3 hours on a battery charger for free.
Why does it have to be in an actual bay taking up work space? Park it next to the closest outlet, grab an extenstion cord, wheel or carry your charger out there, start the update, lock the doors, go back out there 1.5 hours later, switch disks, lock the doors, go back another hour or so later and take it out. Done. Seems like an easy way to make the margin in the disks if your shop has a parking lot.
hey I am just trying to give a heads up on what I see is gonna happen in alot of cases out there. Alot of these shop owners think time is money and this WILL take some of there time.
Okay, I think it's safe to think that that "car toys" or anyone like that isn't going to have your car sitting in their bay for 2-3 hours.. Nobody is "working" on your car.... It's simply loading in a cd(or dvd) and thats it..
chances are they will just sell you the CD and say have fun.... Or, IF NOT, they'll load the CD and then go back to work (hourly labor). It's safe to think that if the cost is around $250 they will have whatever service charge will be included in that...
And let's not stop being optimistic here, You really think that we can all watch Saddam Hussien get hung on the internet but we can't download an AVIC update? I've read all the posts about serials and all that stuff and understand that those are all good points, but they DON"T have two way communication and I believe there will be a way to install it without the corresponding serial number. You guys all have Photoshop, right? How many of you paid for it? Probably half. You can find the application anywhere to download for free, but you need to serial number. You simply get a key gen or a serial box, to enter in (false ) information about your application. It then works perfectly fine... I'm thinking it COULD be similiar...
no way its 2-3 hours, you can quote me on that, are you meaning to say that the car has to be sitting there for 2-3 hours? naa, running for 2-3 hours, naaa, doesnt make sense
Worked in an install shop for a while, they would just hookup a charger to the unit while they did the install if it does take that long, you can put a battery charger on set it for 2 amps, and it won't drain down at all.
Not saying its not possible, saying it isnt likely that pioneer would require the car to sit somewhere for what in essence would be 2-3 times longer then it takes to just install the whole system. some of you people that speculate on the features, not to mention the length in time that is insane, probably should just relax and wait till this comes down.
btw, 2 amps is probably far too little to run your accessory/ignition, so maybe edit your post with a more appropriate number. enjoy.
Yeah I normally do 15 on a car, 25 on a truck, and 40 if it's an 80s vette.
Not saying its not possible, saying it isnt likely that pioneer would require the car to sit somewhere for what in essence would be 2-3 times longer then it takes to just install the whole system. some of you people that speculate on the features, not to mention the length in time that is insane, probably should just relax and wait till this comes down.
ok you have 2 discs on the update. so that is a little less than 20 gigs worth of an update on a 400mhz processor. do the math
man bro, I am trying not to completely out you, but do you really think that ALL 20 gigs is going to be replaced? not likely. You can do math all day long and even tomorrow, I dont care. It doesnt make any sense, so lets just wait and see, or if you want we can keep saying "yeah it is, no it isnt yeah it is no it isnt yeah it is no it isnt...." whatever
man bro, I am trying not to completely out you, but do you really think that ALL 20 gigs is going to be replaced? not likely. You can do math all day long and even tomorrow, I dont care. It doesnt make any sense, so lets just wait and see, or if you want we can keep saying "yeah it is, no it isnt yeah it is no it isnt yeah it is no it isnt...." whatever
actually it is
there is a new algorithm for the nav processing and the actual database is reinstalled. The reason for this is that TeleAtlas bought the company GDT. They added all their POI database(i think the number is now 40mil).
you know what your right. I wont post anymore info what so ever after this.
sorry to cause any problems
Can't we all just get along?
It is just annoying, someone who has been around or not spouting of what could be truth or b.s. So maybe just shutting the fuck up for now till theres something, hell anything from pioneer to inform the public would be best. I mean you got one nutt saying its going to be this way and another saying that other way. Some of which doesnt follow the line of reasoning. Then you get another nutt demanding credibility, with comments like "i told you how it is so there". Unless you ARE pioneer, you get about as much credibility as anyone. Irregardless if you have been here lurking for a day or a year.
With anyone of us being wrong, right, partially right, it doesnt matter, the friggin thing aint even out yet. bunch of school girls fighting over the ugly kid in class and who likes him more, geez.
Well, if any one wants to take this to the next level I'd be happy to train you in MMA and that way you can really get your anger out!! "Hop in the ring mutha fucker!!" hahahaha 
Well, if any one wants to take this to the next level I'd be happy to train you in MMA and that way you can really get your anger out!!
Is that like Tie-Quan-Leap? BOOT TO THE HEAD!
Close actually--They didn't add 40 million POI, they have gone through and mapped exactly where 40 million locations are, starting with their POI. In other words, instead of using postal codes to guess the location (for example, currently the address of 2550 South Street is half way down the 2500-2600 block of South Street if it is not mapped) the new software will know exactly where it is. Pretty cool if it works. Our local Pioneer trainer was beta testing the Z2 software months ago(via a new HD) but said this wasn't added in the version he had. Like i said, sounds like a nice addition, if it works
actually it is
there is a new algorithm for the nav processing and the actual database is reinstalled. The reason for this is that TeleAtlas bought the company GDT. They added all their POI database(i think the number is now 40mil).
you know what your right. I wont post anymore info what so ever after this.
sorry to cause any problems
Damn.... 40 Mil?? That's almost as much as whats in my Bank account!!
I'll get you a Z1 for only like half that 
Damn.... 40 Mil?? That's almost as much as whats in my Bank account!!
I finally got my Z1 dude...
what a relief... Now it's time for the install baby!!
Hey does anyone (maybe T) know if these update discs will contain all the current updates like bluetooth, gracenote etc...
I finally got my Z1 dude...
what a relief... Now it's time for the install baby!!
Congratulations! I know you wanted one for quite a while. I'm glad you got a hold of one.