Think there's any chance Pioneer will listen to us regarding the sorting & gapless issues?
IDK, but I suggest bombarding customer support with written feature requests to be included in future firmware update:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/AboutPioneer/Contact+Us
I have already made a few and I don't even have my unit installed 
I'm coming up with an issue that I hope I can get some help with. I am using a 240GB Corsair SSD with USB 3.0 enclosure. Since day 1, it was working fine without issue. My music is around 85gb. I have a folder for each artist with all their respective songs in their folder. No subfolders.
I used Media Monkey to rearrange the folder structure so that I would have Album subfolders in each artist folder. The software did that succesfully. I then transferred all of this to my SSD. NEX8000 format read it fine, taking the usual 20 minutes or so. Shut the car down. When I start car again, all I get is Format Read. Nothing else. No SSD activity going on. Unplug it and plug it back in. Same thing. Just Format Read.
I tried it with another SSD, an older 120GB with the same issue. Tried it again with a 128GB flash drive. Same issue.
The unit is ok with the original folder structure. So not sure why this is happening. Any thoughts? A hard reset perhaps?
If you plug it into your computer is the format undamaged? I have an artist->album->songs structure on my SSD without problems.
Check it on your computer; my guess is that Media Monkey has made a hash out of the directory structure on the media.
I would also like to know if this is a MediaMonkey-initiated problem. I don't use MediaMonkey to do my folder structuring, but I do use it to manage my library otherwise (playlists, deleting lesser bit-rate files when I get higher bit-rate files of same title, etc.). For folder structuring I use dBpoweramp.
iTunes will also do artist/album folder structuring automatically if you 'let' it manage your files... unless your files are FLAC or some other iTunes unsupported format.
I have FLAC files, otherwise I would just use a 160gb ipod classic and be done with it.
Tickerguy's post reminded me. When I first did the folder restructure, it worked fine. But track #'s were messed up as it showed:
1 - Song name
10 - Song name
2 - Song game
So I re-did it so that it would 01, 02, etc...correct sequential order. And it's after doing that is when I'm having problems.
Looks like I will re-format my SSD, and try dBpoweramp instead.
You can use dBpoweramp to convert your FLAC files to ALAC and use an iPod.
My problem there is I have more lossless than my 120GB 6th gen iPod will hold (more than a 160GB newer will hold too). In the meantime, I just load it with what I am most likely to listen to. 120GB would take what, maybe several weeks of listening 24/7. I'm seldom in my car for more than 12 hrs at a time and even that is only a few times a year. Typically not in my car more than an hour a day.
Anyway, when you re-did for two-digit track prefixes, did you recreate the folder structure under another directory (main folder) or did you just rename the files and they got put in existing folders? What I'm wondering is whether the folders have a different time stamp than the files they contain and that is what is causing the problem... similar to the HU's sort problem when you add files to a FAT-formatted drive... which leads to: Did you format your drive as FAT or NTFS?
What has probably happened is that the drive is being re-indexed, and it may not actually be hung. The head unit doesn't think it's a "new" drive because the serial number hasn't changed on the volume.
I'd either let it sit (it MAY eventually sort itself out) or do the organization on your PC (e.g. renaming of the file names, etc) and then format and re-copy the data onto the SSD.
So I've been on vacation this week and left this issue at home. I did initial drive format in NTFS. But I've tried different SSDs so my head is spinning in trying to remember the different scenarios I've tried.
When I re-did the 2 digit track prefixes, it was in the existing folder structure. Before I left, I had Media Monkey re-do my original music folders, this time copying them to a new folder.
I will then use Mini Partition to delete/wipe existing partition on SSD and create a new FAT32 and try that. I think that will solve the problem.
Fingers crossed.
I reformatted my SSD to Fat32 because I wanted to be able to use DirSorter to resolve the issue that the head unit has with missing one line of code in the directory display routine -- the one that sorts the returned directory list. The software dude (or dudette) at Pioneer who left that out ought to be strung up by their genitals, but it is what it is and you can resolve it with a FAT32 formatted partition, so that's what I did.
So back from vacation and re-tried the above to see if it works properly. I'm getting similar results on the original file structure and new file structure. First format read takes it usual 20 minutes or so. When it's done, it starts to play the music and it's showing 12,136 available songs.
Shut car down, start it up again. Format read takes about 5-7 minutes this time. Plays music...available songs drops down to 5,256 available songs. Shut down car again and restart and format read takes only 2 minutes before showing a different number of available songs. Going to the File tab shows several folders being greyed out.
Not sure what is driving this issue. But I think it's the NEX and not the SSD or the music files itself.
Is there a way to do a hard reset as opposed to using the pin in the reset hole on bottom right?
Ok, so you're right up against the limits. I would not be surprised if it takes an utterly ridiculous amount of time to index it the first time around -- but I'll bet it is not hung.
What is the limit, I put about 900 gb of music and video files on a 2 tb wd passport drive(NTFS)... it took 6.5 hrs to index, I got to play 1 song and it went back to re-indexing.
How is everyone formatting the 128gb+ hard drives over to Fat32? I have tried a few different ways but nothing is working.
OK, so I got the hard drive to format to FAT32.
Plugged it in to my 8100 3.5 hours ago. It still says "Format Read". How long should this take?
I only have about 3000 songs on a 128GB drive.
It was still reading format after about 6 hours so I stopped it.
Came in and hooked up hard drive to pc. PC will not even read it. It says it is corrupt. I am reformatting it to NTFS and will put a few songs on there to try it.
Anybody have any tips and/or suggestions?
I use a 120GB SSD on my 4000 and it works fine. Format it in FAT32, however, because you can sort a FAT32 drive -- you CANNOT sort a NTFS one, and Pioneer brain-farted on this particular aspect of things when going through things by artist and album in "file" mode.
I got a WD 500GB USB3 HDD. I have to format it to FAT32. Max capacity for FAT32 is 30GB to be exact. So instead of waste disk space. I have mutiple partition on my HDD. Partition 1(30GB) for all my music and the rest for my junk like videos, pictures, files, etc. Soon I will upgrade to a SSD Drive. Spinning Disk seek time is too slow. Usually takes my AVH-x4600BT up to 5mins if I switch to Music to Photo so I avoid doing that at all cost. LoL..
I have been using a 128GB SSD. Works fine except that it will not let you 'REV' to a previous song. It will only allow you to FFD to the next song.
Is anybody else running into that with a SSD? How did you fix if, if you could?
I got a WD 500GB USB3 HDD. I have to format it to FAT32. Max capacity for FAT32 is 30GB to be exact. So instead of waste disk space. I have mutiple partition on my HDD. Partition 1(30GB) for all my music and the rest for my junk like videos, pictures, files, etc. Soon I will upgrade to a SSD Drive. Spinning Disk seek time is too slow. Usually takes my AVH-x4600BT up to 5mins if I switch to Music to Photo so I avoid doing that at all cost. LoL..
max capacity for fat32 is not 30gb. My 480gb intel ssd, 256gb samsung ssd, 128gb sdcard are all fat32. They all have been working for a year now in my 4000nex.
max capacity for fat32 is not 30gb. My 480gb intel ssd, 256gb samsung ssd, 128gb sdcard are all fat32. They all have been working for a year now in my 4000nex.
Couldn't get my 128GB SSD to format to Fat32.
Of course, I'm not going to buy any software just to get it to work either.
Couldn't get my 128GB SSD to format to Fat32.
Of course, I'm not going to buy any software just to get it to work either.
I used my mac-mini and no special software. Also the sdcard is 256gb, PNY.
max capacity for fat32 is not 30gb. My 480gb intel ssd, 256gb samsung ssd, 128gb sdcard are all fat32. They all have been working for a year now in my 4000nex.
Fat32 has a Soft limit of 32GB per volume/partition in Windows based systems but can be surpassed buy 3rd party software. If you are using a Windows based Computer its hard to believe windows allowed you to format a 480GB, 256GB and 128GB Drives using Fat32... Using the standard formatting tool it shouldn't even be a option. I wouldn't be surprised if the drive was actually formatted NTFS Because that the default setting for drive of that size unless you are using MAC or Linux. Either way the file allocation is very easily corrupted using FAT32, NTFS is the best option for Newer AVIC HU's that support it...
Couldn't get my 128GB SSD to format to Fat32.
Of course, I'm not going to buy any software just to get it to work either.
Doesn't surprise me at all..... But honestly NTFS is a way better File system, Its faster and a lot more reliable then FAT32... Shit exFAT is even better then FAT32
I format my drives using Mac drive utility, and format fat32. I realize NTFS is faster and on my Windows PC, that is what I use. NEX will not read xfat, and fat32 works better for me on the NEX. I originally used NTFS, but I switched because the way it categorized or something, can't remember exactly why. Either way, all my storage hooked up to my NEX is fat32, and never have any problems. If xfat was supported, then NEX would support larger SDCards than 32gb. It does not really matter if NTFS is faster, when USB 2.0 is the bottle neck. Anyway to each his own, someone asks me what works for me, I tell them.
I format my drives using Mac drive utility, and format fat32. I realize NTFS is faster and on my Windows PC, that is what I use. NEX will not read xfat, and fat32 works better for me on the NEX. I originally used NTFS, but I switched because the way it categorized or something, can't remember exactly why. Either way, all my storage hooked up to my NEX is fat32, and never have any problems. If xfat was supported, then NEX would support larger SDCards than 32gb. It does not really matter if NTFS is faster, when USB 2.0 is the bottle neck. Anyway to each his own, someone asks me what works for me, I tell them.
Honestly with the low bandwidth needed for music and video on the 8100 you should never see the USB 2.0 bottleneck... I am in the process of testing out a quad channel Thumb drive and see if they sell quad channel SD cards.... With this Read speeds would x4
I think this problem should be solved by Pionner immediately. It's ridiculous. I had on my old car one CD Player from Pioneer from 2009. It has a SD slot and it starts playing last song immediately after I start the car. Now I've an AVIC-5000NEX and I waited more than 5 minutes and it didn't start to play the song. There is no meaning on this.
It doesn't matter how fast is you SD card or your USB drive or how it is formatted. The problem is the software from Pioneer. I tried the same ammount of music on my Asus Zenfone 2 in a Micro SD card and it plays immediately after it's started. It's the same files, the same operating system. So the only problem is the Pioneer software.
I think we have do send a lot of messagens to Pionner's support and requiring a solution.
Well my 8000 with a 128gb ssd doesnt take 5 mins to play. Perhaps after loading the ssd it will take mins to index.