I thought so but I was hoping someone had some personal experience with this ebay item and it was the real deal....I can dream can't I?

yaa dream

ok from what im reading is yall plan to messure the votls on the wire when the parking brake is set and then find a resister to bring a reguler wire or that wire down to that voltage while the parking break is off right?? if this is the case im not the best with cars but i am an airplane michanic and i though of what i said HOWEVER that methed WILL NOT work see my parking brake doesnt engage the wheels unti about 5 clicks and for some reason at 1 click my radio thinks my brake is set because the voltage is right NOW you would thing i could just drive around with th brake at one click no hard done right? wrong i thought of that, the gps ratted me out told the car i swas moving at the same time the brake was telling the radio i was sitting still An error popped up said the radio has detected my parking brake cable was improperly hooked up and disabled all the extra functions sence i only have 1 parking brake wire i knew it was hooked up correctly so if there is a bypass it in the system and has to be put in the radio threw programming that is my conclution with the bypass on the Z1.....anyone agree or disagree with what i have found? input wil be apreciated.

ok from what im reading is yall plan to messure the votls on the wire when the parking brake is set and then find a resister to bring a reguler wire or that wire down to that voltage while the parking break is off right?? if this is the case im not the best with cars but i am an airplane michanic and i though of what i said HOWEVER that methed WILL NOT work see my parking brake doesnt engage the wheels unti about 5 clicks and for some reason at 1 click my radio thinks my brake is set because the voltage is right NOW you would thing i could just drive around with th brake at one click no hard done right? wrong i thought of that, the gps ratted me out told the car i swas moving at the same time the brake was telling the radio i was sitting still An error popped up said the radio has detected my parking brake cable was improperly hooked up and disabled all the extra functions sence i only have 1 parking brake wire i knew it was hooked up correctly so if there is a bypass it in the system and has to be put in the radio threw programming that is my conclution with the bypass on the Z1.....anyone agree or disagree with what i have found? input wil be apreciated.

I stuck my foot in my mouth i only read the first page and didnt look that there was 29 pages and even then seems theres a bypass so the link is at the bottem im new to the site and havent figure all this out yet does anyone know is i plug in the CDRB10 into the input of my navtraffic if it will work cause the navtraffic is already plugged in to where the CDRB10 needs to plug

http://www.sminntech.com/z1flash.html

I hope you never work on an airplane I fly on!

I hope you never work on an airplane I fly on!

did i forget to mention we dont work on the instraments the most wireing i do is to a light bulb or flaps

I hope you never work on an airplane I fly on!

 

did i forget to mention we dont work on the instraments the most wireing i do is to a light bulb or flaps

Co-Pilot: The yoke is forward 1 click but the flaps moved 5 clicks! We're in a nosedive!

Pilot: Don't worry, the fasten seatbelt lights are working...

accualy if you move the yoke forward it will affect the elavators not the flaps

ok from what im reading is yall plan to messure the votls on the wire when the parking brake is set and then find a resister to bring a reguler wire or that wire down to that voltage while the parking break is off right?? if this is the case im not the best with cars but i am an airplane michanic and i though of what i said HOWEVER that methed WILL NOT work see my parking brake doesnt engage the wheels unti about 5 clicks and for some reason at 1 click my radio thinks my brake is set because the voltage is right NOW you would thing i could just drive around with th brake at one click no hard done right? wrong i thought of that, the gps ratted me out told the car i swas moving at the same time the brake was telling the radio i was sitting still An error popped up said the radio has detected my parking brake cable was improperly hooked up and disabled all the extra functions sence i only have 1 parking brake wire i knew it was hooked up correctly so if there is a bypass it in the system and has to be put in the radio threw programming that is my conclution with the bypass on the Z1.....anyone agree or disagree with what i have found? input wil be apreciated.

I got some bad news fellas, I work on airplanes and there really are people this dumb doing the work. On the upside most of the critical controls are supposed to be idiot proof..... for he most part.

I am all for the sticky that says "THERE IS NO Z2 BYPASS"

So........ Since the Z1 and Z2 are just about the same... and there is not a very good bypass for the Z2. Is it better just to buy the Z1 then? I really don't know which one to buy now since there is no bypass for the Z2 of yet.

Hmmmmmmm.

So........ Since the Z1 and Z2 are just about the same... and there is not a very good bypass for the Z2. Is it better just to buy the Z1 then? I really don't know which one to buy now since there is no bypass for the Z2 of yet.

 

Hmmmmmmm.

If you really need the bypass, go with Z1. If you want a better map, go with Z2 and wait for the bypass (who knows when)

Z1's are getting hard to find. I believe Misfit has one for sale in the classified section.

here http://www.avic411.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7385

I saw one on display at the Circuit City, Fredericksburg, VA. They listed it at $2295.

I saw one on display at the Circuit City

nuff said...

my z2 was only 1400.

I got mine for 1200.

I got stuck with a Z2 as a replacement for a defective Z1 and I paid more than that at dealers' cost for my original Z1. So I guess i paid more for my Z2 than a retail customer. Oh well.

accualy if you move the yoke forward it will affect the elavators not the flaps

Ok, now do you know what punctuation is?

I have been following this forum for some time, and although I think I have read nearly every post, there are a few things that I hope someone can clarify.

Is it a definite fact that Pioneer will require a Z1 to be updated to a Z2 in the process of updating the map database? From what I have read, it appears that one cannot get an update for navigation without being forced into a Z2 operating system.

If that is the case, I have a question as far as the present Z1 bypass. I am still flashing my headlights on my Z1. I have the bluetooth update from Pioneer, but haven't applied it yet, since I haven't found the time to tear into my dash to do the new bypass. If I go to the trouble to do the wiring bypass to take advantage of the bluetooth update, and I later decide to do the map update, will I have to tear back into the dash to undo this bypass? I realize that the Z2 won't be bypassed by this method, but will it object to this second Z1 bypass? Will it give me warning screens or not function properly unless wired per Pioneer instructions?

I'm sure I will want to update my maps when available (I need up to date maps in my travels), and therefore be stuck with a Z2 without a possible bypass. If the Z2 does not play friendly with the second Z1 bypass, I may just bite the bullet, apply the bluetooth update, leave the wiring alone, and get used to a non-bypassed unit.

Thanks for any replies.

i got my Z2 free from Pioneer

The consinsous is that the Z1 to Z2 map upgrade will make the unit fuction as a Z2. Which means that neither of the Z1 bypasses will work. The upgrade is not avilible yet, so this is all speculation.

I have been following this forum for some time, and although I think I have read nearly every post, there are a few things that I hope someone can clarify.

 

Is it a definite fact that Pioneer will require a Z1 to be updated to a Z2 in the process of updating the map database? From what I have read, it appears that one cannot get an update for navigation without being forced into a Z2 operating system.

 

If that is the case, I have a question as far as the present Z1 bypass. I am still flashing my headlights on my Z1. I have the bluetooth update from Pioneer, but haven't applied it yet, since I haven't found the time to tear into my dash to do the new bypass. If I go to the trouble to do the wiring bypass to take advantage of the bluetooth update, and I later decide to do the map update, will I have to tear back into the dash to undo this bypass? I realize that the Z2 won't be bypassed by this method, but will it object to this second Z1 bypass? Will it give me warning screens or not function properly unless wired per Pioneer instructions?

 

I'm sure I will want to update my maps when available (I need up to date maps in my travels), and therefore be stuck with a Z2 without a possible bypass. If the Z2 does not play friendly with the second Z1 bypass, I may just bite the bullet, apply the bluetooth update, leave the wiring alone, and get used to a non-bypassed unit.

 

Thanks for any replies.

I had a Z2 and used the Z1 2 wire bypass. You do get the parking brake error upon start up, but at least you have full function at stoplights I found it more convenient that way. Every thing appeared to function just fine, locked out in motion and unlocked when stopped. I guess it's just a matter of preference. I have since changed my hard drive to a Z1 image, with a little help from a friend and stored away my Z2 drive with the hope that some day there will be a Z2 bypass so I can go back to the updated maps, better voice recognition and point addressing.

I recently removed my perfectly working Z1 out of my truck and had Car Toys in Fort Worth TX install it into my new truck. While installing the unit, Car Toys somehow managed to break my Z1, screen will open, but no longer close without me helping it by pushing. Car Toys is claiming full responsibility, but only after I had to argue with them that the screen has NEVER had problems before.

Now, my salesman is having problems locating a new Z1 at any other stores, but has 2 units being delivered tomorrow. The salesman thinks the units may be demo units but won't know until tomorrow. If this is the case, he thinks that he can upgrade me to a Z2 and as far as I'm concerned it better be without extra charge. Now, the problem is, Car Toys did some damage to my console while trying to install the Z1, so I will likely install the new unit myself. If I get a Z1, I will just unplug the old and plug in the new and be on my way, however, if I get a Z2, are the wiring harnesses the same between the Z1 & Z2? I assume they are because of an earlier post mentioning how the Z2 hardware was exactly the same, or am I making that up? can't seem to find the post now. =/ Is the GPS antenna the same? Is the microphone with a Z2 the same or better? I'm wanting to get a heads-up on what kind of work is ahead of me if I do have to upgrade.

It's very unfortunate that if I get the Z2 I will no longer have a working bypass. Sucks to, cuz I just recently used Ducati's info to install the 2 wire bypass. Was tired of flashing my lights all the time. Applied the Bluetooth update with no problems. Thanks Ducati.

BTW, if anyone here lives around the DFW metro and is considering going to Car Toys, contact me first, I have some very important info based on my experiences (and I have lots of em') at 2 different stores and several different installers. Maybe I can save you LOTS OF TIME and money.

hi yes the hardware is the same you can just use your z1 wireing harnness and everything else.. good luck !

"bobmun" you say you have full function at stop lights.. but do you have just video while driving ?

"bobmun" you say you have full function at stop lights.. but do you have just video while driving ?

No just video while stopped, but you don't have to do anything, except hit ok past another pop up every time you start your vehicle.