Acura, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, Lamborghini... all allow use of the navi functions while in motion.

I think Pioneer is shooting itself in the foot by blocking this.

DVD is of course another matter entirely and should be blocked while driving.

I was referring to the DVD movie watching in that statement.

i think a disclamer would work however no updated software would be require, so that they (pioneer) dont invest money in updated software.

i think navi it self is distraction enough to cause a crash, but along some of those lines we could put a disclamer that pioneer should not in any way held responsible for an accident due to tampering with their " z2" to enable video/motion and any such lockout and customer is/should be responsible enough to use proper judgement , if customers disagree to these terms they MUST return product, if product has not been returned customer is automatically held responsible and terms have been cleardly spoken for. now just think pioneer putting this on their website as a disclamer to protect their investment And just do a print out of user agreement and include in their next batch of sales....

i think putting someting like this all over the net generating millions of customers world wide plus local city signitures and what not would generate enough for pioneer to consider this.....

 

On a side note, that T guy seems to have mysterious disappeared after yet another huge blunder.

What was my "huge blunder"?

Kind of an old post, but I just logged back in to this site after a 1+ year absence. I installed my Z1 in my 2006 King Ranch Expedition in August 2006. In fact, it's been so long since I logged in, I forgot my old username/password, and even the email address I used to register with in the first place. I used to use ThisIsZachary, but I've shortened it to my nickname and use ThisIsZac.

This has been beaten to death, but Pioneer's legal department won't budge, regardless of how many letters are written. The risk vs. utility analysis they sit down and consider when writing these disclaimers overwhelmingly justifies keeping disclaimers in.

Also, I'm not sure of the size of Pioneer (or PioneerUSA, or its subsidiaries), but I'm pretty certain that even if the subsidiary of Pioneer that makes Navi components lost 50,000 customers over something as silly as the fact that the lost customers didn't want to see a legal disclaimer, the other branches of Pioneer (including CD players, plasma TVs, etc.) would absorb the loss, and Pioneer wouldn't feel much of a scratch on their bottom line.

You'd also have to think about the fact that your emails, after the first few days, would be acknowledged by Pioneer, and would become not only the nuisance that you are hoping it would become, but would most likely be forwarded to your ISP as unwanted spam after a few days of sending the same thing over and over. At least, if I were on Pioneer's customer service/legal team, and I kept receiving the same carbon copy (or one that wasn't the same, but that kept conveying the same message over and over and over and over), I would from a campaign of emailers, I would acknowledge them, and then ask them to stop. Anything else would be shuffled on to ISPs.

If you don't like the product, or the legal disclaimers, don't buy it. If you've bought it, sell it. There's a great navigation system that's been around a few years that doesn't include an annoying pop-up screen when you use it: Rand McNally's Road Atlas.

as long as we live in a world of suit-happy people, like the old lady that spilt McD's coffee in her lap and won millions, this will never happen.

I learned a fairly important lesson while in the Navy. *Always cover your own ass.* And that is exactly what Pioneer and all other Nav manufacturers are doing, just like Cali does with their cancer warnings that they put on....well..... everything.

I think their current implementation is just fine. They have even opened up the doors so that we can bypass them. So when you do kill yourself or someone else, they are not responsible, and get off the hook as they will find that you in fact bypassed the HU.

now if they would only pass a law that you could not use a handheld phone while operating a vehicle and push BT integration.

 

now if they would only pass a law that you could not use a handheld phone while operating a vehicle and push BT integration.

I think some states are already doing that.

July 1, 2008 in CA