I'm confused. So the oldish 80 gig models will output video, but the new 80/160s will not??? That doesn't make any sense, Apple doesn't really expect everyone squint to watch movies on that tiny screen do they?

No, what they expect you to do is give them even more money for other apple products instead of using another company's.

The Authentication chips are only available to Apple and are brand new, so there is zero chance that the D3 has it or will ever have it. Our only hope is that someone creates a hacked firmware for the D3 that makes it emulate an apple device or creates a hacked firmware for the iPod that enables video out. Apple can go shove it with their $50 composite cables. I still see no reason for these chips. All they did was piss off anyone that has bought their old AV cables for iPod or any other device that outputs video from an iPod.

so you did test it? and it does not work? i just wanna make sure - you didnt elaborate on that point...

I'm taking the ipod back tomorrow. I almost threw it out my window on a road trip today. The track titles/info do NOT update when the song changes. The new iPods are CRAP. I'm hoping to get an old 5.5G 80GB video. Other than that... F*CK APPLE. They changed the software on the iPods for NO REASON and all it did was create problems.

EDIT: My friend just picked up a new Nano today when I went to the Apple store to exchange my classic for a regular 5G iPod Video 30GB. The nano will also NOT play video through it. ALSO, with both, the song titles will not update on the screen once one song has played. The next song will play, but the previous song will still be shown on the screen unless you hit the button for next or previous track. It's like the iPod is not updating the D3 with track info the way the old ones do. Wait off to buy a new ipod or buy an old one like I did.

Just thinking outloud here...

Apple sells a A/V Composite cable that would work with the A/V inputs on the AVIC. couldn't someone just hack the pioneer cable and make a new apple pioneer hybrid cable to make it work? I assume since the apple cable includes the "Authorization" chip in it, maybe someone can wire it up to work? Then again, it's probably using the data connection to talk to the "Auth" chip and it couldn't talk to the AVIC and the "Auth" chip at the same time...hum...

Well regardless, you can still playback the video, just have to swap the connectors. (yeah, I know it sucks, but at least it's not totally a loss if you already bought one)

So, as i understand...

With the Ipod Classic - Video out doesn't work with our current setups, nor do the titles and tracks actually updating on the screen.

This is a gating item for me in terms of buying a new ipod

Well, keep hold of your 5th Gen iPods and wait for the 1.8" 160GB drives to hit the retail market, and manually update (i.e. crack it open and replace) the HD. There are plenty of sites out there that detail the procedures...

I'm thinking that's what I'm going to end up doing...

My $0.02,

Eric "GuitarEC"

So i am no genius here, but apple isn't totally interested in screwing us. us consumers do keep them in business after all. My thought on this is that its actually for the better. Did anyone notice that these new ipods output 480p through component cables now, and navigate faster. They obviously made hardware changes. What they are doing is forcing 3rd party accessory makers (i.e. Pioneer) to update there accessories and products to make our experience better. While it makes our lives harder for a few months as the companies catch up it will make the experience better for years to come. Im kinda of bummed to but i am excited to hook up component cables to my hdtv.

Is that confirmed to be true about the new ipods not updating the track info sent to the D3 when the song moves to the next one?

The non video playing part was fine for me, because I wasn't going to play them anyway...

But this I know for a fact would end up pissing me off to no end.

So are we certain that this is an actual problem or maybe just a couple of glitchy units?

The titles DO NOT update like they should. Same thing happened with my friend's new nano in my car. I was finally becoming OK with the lack of video until a road trip I took yesterday. I nearly shot my fist through the screen in anger when I saw that the track titles were not changing. I just can't stand it when I spend my hard earned money on expensive things only to have them not work. As for component output, I'm all for HD, etc, but there is still no reason to straight out disable the video output the way it used to be just to please the damn copyright holders. It's like this: The people that actually pay for the low res versions of movies/shows off of the iTunes store are not going to be ones trying to pirate them, so I don't know why apple would be worried of people getting perfect digital rips of DRM'd movies from their store. People who know how to rip/download a DVD rip of a movie via Bittorrent will know how to convert it to iPod format and watch it that way anyway. All this whole new update does is force users (both paying and pirating) to go spend $50 on new AV cables and throw away any of their "old" accessories that output video through the dock or minijack that no longer work. I would not count on any new update from Pioneer ever, or for at least some months. They haven't even fixed the "Menu" button not working for the iPod interface. If anything, they will have it fixed on next year's D3 equivalent.

I got a new 5G iPod video 30GB last night, and it works PERFECTLY. Videos play, song titles update as they should, and all is merry. I will have to look into upgrading the 1.8" HDD one of these days. Til' then, just stay away from the new iPods if you want to use them with the D3. Get an old one or wait for an update. I doubt they will fix the track titles not updating as that only occurs with the D3 itself and not on the iPod's screen when listening. Save your money or be prepared to pay a 10% restocking fee to return the new iPod.

Well thank god. I was going to go and get one of the new ones tomorrow.

I guess I'll just shift gears and find an old one.

Well thank god. I was going to go and get one of the new ones tomorrow.

I guess I'll just shift gears and find an old one.

agreed

I guess that turned out for the best. Found a guy selling a bunch of the old 30 gig ipods new in the box on ebay for $200 each, free shipping. If I ever get more than 30 gigs of music, I'll worry about that but for now I've got 19 gigs of music and it's so much I never listen to half of it, so that's where it's at.

I called like 15 or 20 stores around here as well as lookes just about everywhere on the internet for them. None to be found except ebay, and of course on Amazon, but they wates like $400 for just the old 30 gig one. Screw them.

so is this title problem the same for the iPhone too?

I picked up an 80 gb ipod classic yesterday and worked fine on my D3 fwiw. They just released a firmware update so that might have fixed it. I installed the update as soon as i got it so I dont know if that would have fixed it.

I picked up an 80 gb ipod classic yesterday and worked fine on my D3 fwiw. They just released a firmware update so that might have fixed it. I installed the update as soon as i got it so I dont know if that would have fixed it.

Are you referring to the track info updating, or the video playback, or both?

I picked up an 80 gb ipod classic yesterday and worked fine on my D3 fwiw. They just released a firmware update so that might have fixed it. I installed the update as soon as i got it so I dont know if that would have fixed it.

If this fixes the titles, I may just go pick one up!

I picked up an 80 gb ipod classic yesterday and worked fine on my D3 fwiw. They just released a firmware update so that might have fixed it. I installed the update as soon as i got it so I dont know if that would have fixed it.

 

Are you referring to the track info updating, or the video playback, or both?

The track info updating. Afaik, the video playback is a hardware issue but i dont plan on using it anyways.

I got a new 80G classic on Friday. Hooked it up to my computer and got the new update for it. The tracks were/are still not updating on my D3.

I got a new 80G classic on Friday. Hooked it up to my computer and got the new update for it. The tracks were/are still not updating on my D3.

Thats weird, mine works fine. Try turning off the cover flow option on the ipod. I have mine off since I never use it anyway.

I got a new 80G classic on Friday. Hooked it up to my computer and got the new update for it. The tracks were/are still not updating on my D3.

 

Thats weird, mine works fine. Try turning off the cover flow option on the ipod. I have mine off since I never use it anyway.

interesting idea, i will have to try that and see what happens

I take it that means the new Cover Flow feature found on the 6th generation of iPods will not work on the D3 then?

Cheekster.