KenLevine

They Lie Like A Rug :evil:

D-Fence LOL ... kewl movie

I have been told that they stopped the sports , at least when Baseball isn't happening, as it is the schedules and scores, etc of NFL, NBA, NHL , etc and that was upsetting alot of XM customers who were being reminded of all the wonderful sports they are not getting on their XM service.

This kind of makes sense , as early in the day, I would see the upcoming schedule and make a mental note that so and so game was going to be on, and then would make a note of it from my XM screen and then tune into the game on that 'other' sat service LOL ...

Okay, here is go again, but , you know what , that service is clearly represented to be a major XM benefit that they simply decided to bag it becuase of the fact people were getting reminded of all the sports that don't live on "XM, except baseball.

This is the theory anyway. But I know from having emailed STATS.com that XM doesn't offer the service at least at the moment.

However, that being said, all the stock quotes do seem to work, and how long before that goes away should the XM stock tank and they don't want people to see that either LOL ???

Let's see if it comes back during MLB season again!

You make a very good point and I do appreciate that very much.

The reason is simple. Because the install quality at this point wins out. It's a sweet install and very clean, right down to having figured out well before what is now common knowledge how to connect up the factory steering wheel buttons, and even keeping the OnStar integrated and working 100%, etc.

I don't 'hate' anyone. But, no one likes to get taken advantage of and hopefully you won't ever have the need to rely on any of these two companies for anything important.

Also, as I have both Sat services, I get the best of both services, in which there are definite distinct value each one has that the other does not. That being said, its simply wrong to advertise things that are 100% not true, such as 'All the ACC or PAC10' games, and the largest game so far isn't even on , but IS on the other service who doesn't even brag about it.

And, it's all relative too, as when I get in the mood to listen to those club/house channels, the XM ones are pretty cool for sure. Same if someone's a baseball fan or Cricket or Antarctic Penguin Tossing.

Okay, so now I'm going too far, but really, if it's not MLB, what's left?

Most important is that if anyone has not ever had a moderate problem needing any customer service from either of these companies, and the products are working without the need for help, and got a good deal on the unit, etc. there is worse one can do.

If I were to do it today all over again with this sort of money, it would be the Alpine with Sirius Nav Traffic service, although the Eclipse is a good system too. Otherwise, I'll just go with the newest technologies announced at CES this week from one of the other players.

I'm glad that the Nav Traffic works well for you in the NY area. And, perhaps the service works better there? I could see that happening, but the one thing I hate is to hear that its not current in LA due to the source of info being at fault, as that's not the case at all.

If you want an example, use your wap mobile phone and visit myabc7.com , then click traffic , then select Los Angeles, then select 405 South. Then, you will see a list of actual speeds that are literarily every single exit on the highway, even for both the HOV and regular lanes separate. All for free and all in very quickly updated time. XM will say, its' the source that's the cause of the delayed info, and that's simply not true.

Just curious, have you had the opportunity to set up let's say a roundtrip from your area to a place like Atlantic city and back , and set up the route as a round trip (one single full route to get there and then back again)? Maybe they systems just work different in each zone and that's why we have different experiences?

Hey, anything’s possible.

Of course the one thing we can certainly agree is that I would love if you could FTP me a NY PIZZA about now, as LA still can't figure that one out, ever LOL ...

Thanks again for your thoughts, you are always a great help to everyone on this board, and it is really appreciated very much!!!

It's not 'broken' they are not providing the service as per STATS.com !!!

I hate it when people have a problem then don't let everyone who may read about it later on if it ever got fixed or not. Soooo, to be fair, here's the situation regarding the LA Nav Traffic outage.

The ver 1.2 disc that should have been sent by Pioneer months and months previous was the source of the problem the entire time. XM changed their signal and the 1.0 disc was outdated to use Nav Traffic.

So, the Nav Traffic is 'On' again, and we are now back to useless outdated information that has no time stamps and hardely ever is accurate in any way shape or form.

If you are in the So Cal area, you can use your mobile phone wap browser and get every single road sensor for every single freeway in real time (under 1 minute delay), including individual speed for main lanes and the carpool lanes too. In addition, the free mobile phone verson actually gives time stamps and gives way more details when describing accidents, such as 'Accident @ 1:35PM, Ambulance Responding". The so called wonderful NavTraffic MAY say 'Accident' duration for next 15 minutes, but without saying the original time, that's useless information.

On the whole, its a waste of money, but it looks cool, so if you have the coins, and due to the occasional usefulness of XM , I keep it active, even though Sirius is way more useful to me.

For example, they (XM) lies so hard core about their services, and brag about Pac 10 sports ... 'Get every Pac 10 Game', except, today is one of the biggest most important Pac10 games of the entire year UCLA v USC and guess what, its NOT on XM, but IS on Sirius.

No wonder XM has offices in DC near K street. They choose to spend their coins to whomever keeps them from going to prision for such incredible fraud in their advertising. I also like the XM Online service that says, listen to all the sports, and news ,,, etc ,e tc , of which none of that exists except some talk shows, but NO sports at all online as its illegal to do so.

And, as for all you folks you claim to like to look at logos , how come about 1/2 the logos on the XM receiver dont' get updated either? So what's the point of the logos if they don't work?

Opps, I went off topic LOL ...

I just wanted to let everyone who was reading this post to know the nav traffic works if you have the 1.2 disc and or newer.

RE: What else they going to loose

Answer = Customers

SportsFan ... I think you are right! Wow, good call.

Not exactly effective as if you used this feature you'd soon realize that it does NOT take into account the direction you are traveling and/or the 'route' at all. I believe that was the point of the original question.

 

In short, the answer is NO, and best thing you can do is to take your eyes off the road at 70MPH and try to figure out if the POI is ahead behind or another direction from where you want to go by way of the map icon next to the name of the POI that shows up.

 

This is just in about 100 other weak features that even the basic GM stock navigation system does better than this over rated POS. For example, in the local search or vicinity search on what should be the less worthy unit from a looser car company, it will have an arrow that points the direction the POI is in relation to your location. NOT so with the Pioneer.

 

So, let's recap, NO , there's no Search POI on Route button, and doing the Vicinity Search is a burdonsome task at best.

 

Oh year, one last thing, when you are in the Vicinity search screen, the unit does NOT update the data in that screen until you back out to the map and then start again, so while you are trying to find a POI iin FRONT of you and not behind you as you are driving, by the time you get to the sixth one on the list , using the manual map icon to see for yourself which direction the POI's are, and finding they are all the wrong way, by the time you get to the other's the DISTANCE is off my as many miles as you've driving from first starting the effort.

 

The dissapointment in all of this isn't that it's not doable due to even the level of technology in the current software OS, but instead that the company simply doesn't take the time to use their own products or steal even the most simple good features from what a simple portable model can do. The hardware and OS can handle any of these things. its just not offered, and that's the real problem.

 

A similar problem is why muti destination routes are totally useless, espescially with regard to POI and Nav Traffic services. Hint = if you put in a multi point destination that uses the same freeway/highway to go back in the opposite direction such as in a round trip, why does the so navigation system insist on forcing route changes based on traffic information for the other direction of traffic when you won't be driving that way for quite some time into the future. Likewise, if your first couple of destinations are on small surface streets and you won't hit the freeway for a long time , the system still will inform you of traffic on a road you won't be using for a long time ahead.

 

Why so picky about this problem? Answer is very simple. Becuase ALL the 'engineers' have to do is to simply program the system to only care about POI and Nav Traffic for the GREEN LINE portion of the multi destinatio route, and not worry about the FUTURE parts of the route, which the system does know is different from the current as it is in the color BLUE.

 

System looks cool, screen is amazing even in bright sunlight, etc, but the garbage in equals garbage out applies to every OS system and this one is dumber than a box of rocks.

 

Whew, now I KNOW i'm going to get some heat from some loyalists, but if you do want to correct me, I'd love to know I'm wrong about this stuff, really , really wish I'm so very wrong, and look forward to anyone who can tell me how these features can work the way it should.

 

Thanks !!

Not exactly effective as if you used this feature you'd soon realize that it does NOT take into account the direction you are traveling and/or the 'route' at all. I believe that was the point of the original question.

 

In short, the answer is NO, and best thing you can do is to take your eyes off the road at 70MPH and try to figure out if the POI is ahead behind or another direction from where you want to go by way of the map icon next to the name of the POI that shows up.

 

This is just in about 100 other weak features that even the basic GM stock navigation system does better than this over rated POS. For example, in the local search or vicinity search on what should be the less worthy unit from a looser car company, it will have an arrow that points the direction the POI is in relation to your location. NOT so with the Pioneer.

 

So, let's recap, NO , there's no Search POI on Route button, and doing the Vicinity Search is a burdonsome task at best.

 

Oh year, one last thing, when you are in the Vicinity search screen, the unit does NOT update the data in that screen until you back out to the map and then start again, so while you are trying to find a POI iin FRONT of you and not behind you as you are driving, by the time you get to the sixth one on the list , using the manual map icon to see for yourself which direction the POI's are, and finding they are all the wrong way, by the time you get to the other's the DISTANCE is off my as many miles as you've driving from first starting the effort.

 

The dissapointment in all of this isn't that it's not doable due to even the level of technology in the current software OS, but instead that the company simply doesn't take the time to use their own products or steal even the most simple good features from what a simple portable model can do. The hardware and OS can handle any of these things. its just not offered, and that's the real problem.

 

A similar problem is why muti destination routes are totally useless, espescially with regard to POI and Nav Traffic services. Hint = if you put in a multi point destination that uses the same freeway/highway to go back in the opposite direction such as in a round trip, why does the so navigation system insist on forcing route changes based on traffic information for the other direction of traffic when you won't be driving that way for quite some time into the future. Likewise, if your first couple of destinations are on small surface streets and you won't hit the freeway for a long time , the system still will inform you of traffic on a road you won't be using for a long time ahead.

 

Why so picky about this problem? Answer is very simple. Becuase ALL the 'engineers' have to do is to simply program the system to only care about POI and Nav Traffic for the GREEN LINE portion of the multi destinatio route, and not worry about the FUTURE parts of the route, which the system does know is different from the current as it is in the color BLUE.

 

System looks cool, screen is amazing even in bright sunlight, etc, but the garbage in equals garbage out applies to every OS system and this one is dumber than a box of rocks.

 

Whew, now I KNOW i'm going to get some heat from some loyalists, but if you do want to correct me, I'd love to know I'm wrong about this stuff, really , really wish I'm so very wrong, and look forward to anyone who can tell me how these features can work the way it should.

 

Thanks !!

Not exactly effective as if you used this feature you'd soon realize that it does NOT take into account the direction you are traveling and/or the 'route' at all. I believe that was the point of the original question.

 

In short, the answer is NO, and best thing you can do is to take your eyes off the road at 70MPH and try to figure out if the POI is ahead behind or another direction from where you want to go by way of the map icon next to the name of the POI that shows up.

 

This is just in about 100 other weak features that even the basic GM stock navigation system does better than this over rated POS. For example, in the local search or vicinity search on what should be the less worthy unit from a looser car company, it will have an arrow that points the direction the POI is in relation to your location. NOT so with the Pioneer.

 

So, let's recap, NO , there's no Search POI on Route button, and doing the Vicinity Search is a burdonsome task at best.

 

Oh year, one last thing, when you are in the Vicinity search screen, the unit does NOT update the data in that screen until you back out to the map and then start again, so while you are trying to find a POI iin FRONT of you and not behind you as you are driving, by the time you get to the sixth one on the list , using the manual map icon to see for yourself which direction the POI's are, and finding they are all the wrong way, by the time you get to the other's the DISTANCE is off my as many miles as you've driving from first starting the effort.

 

The dissapointment in all of this isn't that it's not doable due to even the level of technology in the current software OS, but instead that the company simply doesn't take the time to use their own products or steal even the most simple good features from what a simple portable model can do. The hardware and OS can handle any of these things. its just not offered, and that's the real problem.

 

A similar problem is why muti destination routes are totally useless, espescially with regard to POI and Nav Traffic services. Hint = if you put in a multi point destination that uses the same freeway/highway to go back in the opposite direction such as in a round trip, why does the so navigation system insist on forcing route changes based on traffic information for the other direction of traffic when you won't be driving that way for quite some time into the future. Likewise, if your first couple of destinations are on small surface streets and you won't hit the freeway for a long time , the system still will inform you of traffic on a road you won't be using for a long time ahead.

 

Why so picky about this problem? Answer is very simple. Becuase ALL the 'engineers' have to do is to simply program the system to only care about POI and Nav Traffic for the GREEN LINE portion of the multi destinatio route, and not worry about the FUTURE parts of the route, which the system does know is different from the current as it is in the color BLUE.

 

System looks cool, screen is amazing even in bright sunlight, etc, but the garbage in equals garbage out applies to every OS system and this one is dumber than a box of rocks.

 

Whew, now I KNOW i'm going to get some heat from some loyalists, but if you do want to correct me, I'd love to know I'm wrong about this stuff, really , really wish I'm so very wrong, and look forward to anyone who can tell me how these features can work the way it should.

 

Thanks !!

Kicks A** , you will be VERY happy with both the sound quality and the program lineups.

Jason,

I have an ISO for D1 Ver 1.2 and can't figure out where I'm supposed to place the logos and/or otherwise how to use these awesome logos you made.

I already burned a 'backup' that i use instead of the actual OEM disc, as it tracks better, and never ever have the boot up or other problems any more , so would like to add in the logos, as it's really much safer to see logos while driving than having to read the screens , etc.

Basically, am I sleeping at the switch here and miss a place where you posted a how to page?

Happy Holidays,

Thanks

K

I have the XM box + Sirius + Ipod all directly into the D-1.

The Source buttons work as follows

XM = XM

Siruis = Sirius

EXT 1 = Ipod Adapter (as no Ipod Source Button on D-1)

Also, have monster A/V cables for other devices I want to use from time to time tucked into the glove box and ready to do = A/V button.

Hope this helps

K

Finally, after months and months and months of time, I got the 1.2 D-1 disc and it seems to have corrected the traffic problem. If you are using a 1.0 disc you need to update to the 1.2, which is free for registered owners of D-1.

There are still many other concerns with the D-1 unit and the 1.2 update is still very old and has other problems, but to fix the traffic data issue, you first must have at least the 1.2 disc to begin with.

This would also explain (possibly) why the 60MP Upgrade disc worked as well, as one would assume the software would be compliant with the XM data signal on newer generations of software too.

So, to summarize, 1.0 discs most likely the main problem.

Hope this helps.

I have an ant farm on the roof of my truck all 3 next to each other, very close together no problems at all. GPS, Sirius and XM tuner with NavTraffic , so you should be fine with having them next to each other.

 

Actually, for outside of the larger markets and XM cheating with on the ground booster signals, don't be surprised if you go out of town and dont get reception if not outside the vehicle in the clear.

 

But back to answering your question, no problem having the all together.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Ken

I have an ant farm on the roof of my truck all 3 next to each other, very close together no problems at all. GPS, Sirius and XM tuner with NavTraffic , so you should be fine with having them next to each other.

 

Actually, for outside of the larger markets and XM cheating with on the ground booster signals, don't be surprised if you go out of town and dont get reception if not outside the vehicle in the clear.

 

But back to answering your question, no problem having the all together.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Ken

I changed the XM tumer box to a brand new one. When this brand new, never before use unit was being activated, it took more than 30 minutes of time to complete, at which time, everything was working perfectly.

So, it was obvious that the problem was the XM Tumer box.

I then proceeded to drive to my next destination of the day, about 30 minutes drivetime. MY appointment was about 45 minutes max.

When I started the vehicle, back to the original problem again. So, it's NOT the tuner, its not resetting the tuner , nor resetting the head unit either becuase I did all of the above multiple times.

The only reason I purchased this system for the the traffic feature. If all I was going to get was audio, my old system + 50 tuner box would have done the job just fine.

Has anyone else with this problem been able to fix this problem yet?

I can't see it being anything at this point except the hardware and specifically the head unit, which has all sorts of other problems from day one that I could live with , but not this.

Has anyone fixed their problems and if so how?

Thanks

I am going to replace my XM tuner with a brand new unit in the next few days to rule out the tuner hardware being at fault.

I am also going to visit local car dealers and ask them to show me their awesome real time traffic service working in the vehicle.

This will let us know if it is the source signal or the hardware.

If this does not solve the problem, I will drive to Pioneer and knock on their door and get their attention to fix the problem OR they can have the whole thing back, and I will happily install the Alpine system with Sirius traffic instead.

I have literally hours and hours of video tape proof of how aweful the Pioneer experience has been and simply cannot deal with it much longer.

I will give them on more chance to fix it by swapping the tuner box.

I'll let you know how things work out.

If anyone wants to join me in working together for a solution, please let me know.

Thanks.

KpL

I propose that one of us or all of us go visit Pioneer, they are in LA basin (Long Beach). Let the 'Boss' show off how his system does or does not work properly, and that will be that.

I will go down there no problem as too much invested to just let it go. Otherwise I would dump XM and go Sirius for the traffic too, but that's ALPINE system. Actually ALPINE offers both, so maybe i;ll visit the Alpine dealer and he can show me both of them

Other idea is to visit new car dealer and ask to see demo of nav traffic in the Acura and Cadillacs that have it installed.

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I am at the point to basically take it out, and get a full refund , and if they don't comply, I'll be happy to offer the public at large free test drives and demos of my waste of money system.

If anyone wants to join or meet up with me at Pioneers front door sooner than later, please let me know,

Thanks,

ken

If that is the case, whereby they updated something on Their side that outdated our units, then they should be honest about the situation and send us whatever software and/or new units it takes to fix the situation.

There's some good suspicion on this, especially with their new relationship with some new auto mfg partnerships, especially Cadillac, whereby remember XM is born from GM, and well that explains a lot.

Anyway, the good news and bad news seems to be that whatever it is is very rare situation , otherwise google would have tons of info when you search about the problem. It doesn't.

This forum has over 2,000 members, and still very few problems reported nationally.

So, good news is not very big problem, means most likely on our hardware.

Bad news is that the company doesnt want to admit the problem and then there's no fix if they dont at any cost beside basically being a wimp and letting them do this to us.

Good news is we now have each other to get some results and prove this problem easier.

Bad news is that at the level we can communicate with so far, I truly do believe they don't even know the problem is real.

Good news is that I will end this post now and have more info either today or tomorrow!

Thanks,

Ken

Okay, now I know there's something going on with these guys at either Pioneer or XM or both, and the only reason they are getting away with it is becuase I think the three of us and a couple more people are the only ones who paid them all that extra money for the service.

It comes for free in some new cars, and almost all the other XM subscribers that call so called customer service are using 10 dollar portable radios.

Typical example of how companies don't care to support the minority who pay the big bucks.

Anyway, I have gotton zero help from the store where I bought it. Pioneer isn't equiped to handle it and everyones blowing me off on this.

I have the time and energy to get them to fix this, but they need to know we all know each other and that this is not a single problem to be ignored.

This being the case, please PM me with your contact info, and I'll get in touch with you regarding how we can go ahead and get this fixed once and for all.

I have a meeting with the owner of the company I purchased my overpriced unit and rip off install fees to this week, and now that I can prove the problems is more than just my compaining (again, I don't think they sold more than a handful due to the word getting out that it's lousy service). They have nothing to compare it to, so they think its no big deal to care about it.

If we work together, that will be much easier to deal with.

Thanks,

Ken

Brian,

Any luck in getting to know what is wrong with our XM traffic service?

Mine is still messed up beyond belief and I'm going to the 'dealer' who's been less than eithical with me in dealing with them and won't name here to still give time to fix it.

However, maybe you know the answers to look for after all this time?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Yes, the problem is worse. Let's figure out how we can get things fixed!

Ken

For the past 2+ weeks, XM Navtraffic has NOT been working in my home area in the West side of Los Angeles. The unit seems to be working fine, as it gives me all the OTHER data for the other zones labled San Barnadino and Orange County, up to the design limit of around 100 miles from my location.

Basically, the closest event and/or speed info is around 40 miles away from LA.

If anyone is from or around the LA area, and/or has a similar problem in their area, would you please let me know.

I have spent useless time with XM call centers (4 calls total over 2 hours) in the past week alone, and they are simply worthless. I have never gotten the promised return calls they promise to you, and today even had a guy swear on his kids he would call me back, but no.

Again, anyone who can help would be appreciated. Also, is anyone has the ability to know a real number to call regarding traffic, that would help too.