ryar

OK, I believe I figured out a little bit more for those who are having the the problem with the map not showing the current location despite having a GPS fix in Primo. It seems Primo does not like to be shut down abruptly without going through its exit cycle and causes this bug to occur on some units. An abrupt shutdown happens on my f900bt whenever I shut off the ignition, unlike the standby that occurs in my f500bt. Oddly, if the unit get a GPS fix in the same area it was shut off it will show my location on the map.

For anyone having this problem I have not found a way to reverse it, your only option at this point is to delete the entire save folder (located at my Flash Disk\User\\UserData\Primo). You can copy the user.upoi file before deleting and put it back after the unit initializes to retain your favorites (pios). When you start up and initialize for the first time, choose all your options and make sure to choose the GJ skins in the display settings (day and night). From now on when you are using Primo allow it to exit before shutting off the ignition, you can do this by tapping the bottom bar on the map screen and then the exit icon in the bottom right. You can also add an exit icon to the quick menu. Note these options are only available with the GJ skin. I will fix the Close Primo button to close the process rather then kill it and re-upload the packages when I have some free time; in the meantime avoid using it if you are experiencing this issue. For those who do not have the problem with the map not displaying the current location this post can be ignored.

The weird thing is my f500bt never had this issue after using Primo on it for nearly 3 months, only my f900bt has recently had this problem. Perhaps the battery in the f500bt prevents it from having an abrupt shutdown?

If you are experiencing this issue please provide some feedback whether or not these steps worked for you, and provide details if the bug returns.

I'll double check but i'm pretty sure commented out only the Primo sys.txt, removing all mention of where the maps might be. I then copied the UK map, buildings, poi and base map from igo to primo. I then deleted the save folder on the user folder. I went through a reset defaults in primo. It returned an error about not finding the maps but allowed me to continue whereupon it put net to Big Ben. Nit Paris anymore. Tomorrow I'll launch it in test mode and see what happens.

 

Maybe pioneer released various different models incompatible with this hack? A far as I know it is a bog standard F900BT of the euro variety.

It centers on Big Ben, thats great news! That means that it is either the building file or the POI file which decides where the map is centered before you get a GPS fix for the first time. Mine centered on our Parliament building and then gets a fix on my location when I started it for the first time. I am optimistic that Primo does not like multiple building files and won't center on your location if it initializes in another county. Perhaps it will turn out it worked out for the best that your system couldn't find any map files. I look forward to your results with only one of each map/poi/building/dem file.

Edit: Please disregard the last statement. I managed to simulate the same GPS problem you are having. I use Primo 100% of the time, but today I shut it down and started it up a few minutes later while driving. It then would not show a location on the map but had a fix on 11 satellites. I deleted the save folder and restarted and problem went away. It seems if you don't get a fix in the same location you shut the unit off this problem sometimes occurs. I found the file which stores your last known location in the save folder. Tomorrow I will try to simulate the problem again, delete that file and see if it centers on my location of the map afterwards. If it works I will add a script to delete that file before launching Primo and add it to the main downloads, as well as separately for those who already have AVICnet installed so they can apply the patch without deleting everything and starting from scratch.

c'est plutot l'inverse

 

j'ai le tmc sur igo primo et pas sur primo

Sorry, I don't understand. You have TMC on the stock iGo and not Primo? Sorry, I couldn't tell you as I don't have TMC here.

No luck.

 

I did all the changs you suggested and still no luck. Without the address of the map (UK copied as per instructions and sys.txt amended) Primo returned an error saying it oculdn't find the map, I carried on and there was no map. Despite this I guess the systme was still putting me in London as the buildings came through and Westminster Abbey and the Houses of Parliament were right next to me (where Primo had been putting me previously with the maps).

 

Garmin and TomTom still don't pick up a GPS signal.

 

Two things I noticed.

 

1 There is a "crash.txt" in the Primo folder. I have copied it to my SD card and will share it later when I am home. There might be info in there?

 

2 When the systme is warming up it briefly flashes the portsplitter status window. I can see there that port 7 and 9600 baud are set. Sys.txt specifies port 6. If I change the sys.txt entry to 7 I get a message about "attempting to detect GPS hardware" (something along those lines anyway). I am not sure how to run the portsplitter and change the port. If I run it once avicnet has started I get an error?

 

Stock iGO is looking good to me now ... Although that has changed a bit as well ...

Oh, I thought it was putting you in France before? When you comment out the lines under folder it will look for maps, ect in its own directory. So long as you put a basmap file in the map folder it won't give you a "no maps found" message. Are you certain you put the maps in the same directory that you ammended your sys.txt? There are 2 as I stated above, Primo and Primo2. Try launching Primo in test mode.

The sys.txt is set to port 6 because the port splitter splits port 7 to 5 and 6 I believe, and all 3rd party programs use port 6. If you shut off the port splitter or choose to not auto-launch it you will need to set your sys.txt to port 7 but remember if the stock iGo is running other GPS programs won't see it. You need to close or kill the ezrider process first.

What unit do you have? You seem to have some issues that I don't experience. I am running AVICnet on my NA f500bt and my f900bt and it works perfectly. I also loaded the Euro version and did not experience any issues, although I cannot vouch for TTS or TMC.

I never looked at a crash.txt file so i'm not sure it will help.

Ovalball, can you let us know if you are having any issues on your unit with the Euro release?

bonjour

 

j'ai installer avic net sur mon 900BT

tout fonctionne primo et primo igo, tomtom et garmin ,gps detecté

 

mais je n'arrive pas pour les voix de primo et primo igo

 

c'est formidable MERCI

Bonjour, êtes-vous essayer d'utiliser TTS anglais ou en français? Je n'ai pas testé française donc je peux pas dire si cela fonctionne correctement. Anglaise fonctionne très bien sur mon F900BT.

Excellent work! Thank!

Thanks! Did you have any luck with your Primo GPS issues? If so we would really like to know how you fixed it!

Thx ryar for the europe mod

I have just one question is it possible to add Navigon and delete TomTom ,Oziexplorer and all other software,

so i can just use the stock Igo or i can use Navigon

Can you tell me how to do that myself

You can remove all the 3rd party GPS programs by deleting them from the APL4 folder. Primo is in APL2 and there are two folders there you can delete, Primo and Primo2. If you tap Avic Net, settings, settings menu, and Navigation when you select each GPS program it will allow you to change the programs name, path, icon ect. and even clear the program. If you clear it it should delete it from the Navigation menu.

I played with Navigon a bit but couldn't get it to launch. If you would like to try your luck make sure it is first working in testmode, and then add it to the APL4 folder. You can create a shortcut to it using the same steps above to clear it from the Navigation menu. Please post back if you have any luck getting it working, if it takes up a small amount of space it would be great to add!

hi

can iphone 3gs jailbroken work like modem ?

thanks

It may be possible, but I have no idea how. It seems to be set up for USB modems only. I tried tethering with my WiMo phone and a program called USB modem, but it didn't want to assign it a COM port. When/if I have some spare time I will investigate further but I don't have an iphone to test. Does the iphone have an app where it can be connected via usb and recognized as a modem? This is different then internet sharing and would be the place to start.

Spoke too soon!!! Back to the old Primo problems. GPS is ther but I am not on the map. I only have the UK maps loaded and it worked fine this morning, Primo maps postioned me immediately multiple times. I went on a coupe of trips to see it working and all was fine, went home for lunch and it no longer works.

 

The only thing i can remember that i did in the interim was:

 

1 I downloaded 1 of the 4 uk maps for tomtom (wasn't sure how to implement them), put the folder contents where advised. Tomtom started but didn't find any maps.

 

2 I launched garmin and oziexplorer, neither of them found any GPS data whichis when I started thinking it wasn't working correctly anymore.

 

IGO works fine.

 

I might give up and stick with IGO, the issue is just too random for me to understand.

 

Thanks still go out obviously to Ryar.

I really don't understand why it works for some people but not others. I wonder if it has something to do with what is in your content folders? That is really the only difference between your unit and others who are not having the same issue. Do you have lots of space on your unit? If so you can comment out all lines under [folders] in Primo's sys.txt and copy select maps and other content to Primo's content folders. Note the Primo folder is for iGo Primo and the Primo2 folder is for iGo Primo w/o iGo8; each have their own sys.txt. Try copying only one map (besides the basemap), one dem file, one building file, and one pio file. Thats all I have on my unit. When you launch Primo reset to defaults and delete the save folder which is now located in My Flash Disk\User\\UserData\Primo. I'm sure the solution is something simple, unfortunately we have not stumbled upon it yet.

TomTom maps must be activated to your unit before they will work. I noticed that sometimes the unit must be restarted as the GPS Port Splitter doesn't function properly. This usually occurs when jumping from one GPS program to another. I also noticed that although the GPS settings are set properly, they must be re-set for the GPS to work. Set each program to port 6, baud 9600.

 

Hi,

I don't know how to launch Primo inside NavGate. The program HMIManager.exe starts bluetooth, navi.exe etc. If I rename navi.exe or replace navi.exe with a mort script, HMIManager goes in loop mode; seems it waits for some return code by navi.exe program.

So it seems can be more easy for me enable audio from windows CE among mod NavGate

Surely there must be some custom mods for your f320bt? Many allow you open a 3rd party program which will allow you to start Primo. Chucks and Diaftia's mods do here. It may be easier then trying to re-invent the wheel. When you search, don't discount Italian and Russian sites. I have found a wealth of information on non-English sites/threads. Use Google chrome and it will translate to English for you.

Ryar,

Many thanks for all your efforts in bringing us the Euro version.You have given the forum a much needed boost.

It's my pleasure! I am happy to give back to the AVIC411 community after it has given me so much. Thanks again for your help on the Euro AVICnet.

Hi Ryar Just a couple of questions if you can answer them please.

Do we have to reboot to change platforms ie Tom Tom to primo or Garmin to Tom tom etc?

Will sound work on the other platforms?

Cheers.

No, you don't have to reboot unless you start Primo w/o iGo8 since it kills the ezrider process which includes the AVICnet menus. You can run the stock iGo with one other GPS program at a time. Make sure you close the other GPS program before launching another or you will get an error when attempting to launch a 3rd program. The video shows how to launch and close each program. To return to the second GPS program if you go back to the top menu tap the green icon in the top right of the screen and it will maximize that program.

Yep, nope. The Destination button doesn't do that for me, it just goes through to iGO. I did notice the AVICnet screen initialised several times and there was a brief windows error message in Russian. My luck with the unit carries on... I will re-instal to make sure i copied everything over properly.

It would be best to erase your my flash disk before copying on to your unit, sometimes left over files yield unwanted errors.

The Euro version has been added in Post #2. Thanks to Ovalball for bouncing files back and forth and assisting in getting it working. Note the Avic Net icon on the Top Menu is now labelled as Destination as it was originally.

So I installed it on a Euro unit, but what the hey... All it did was change the icons on the Top Menu and return me to the standard igo interface and map ui (I was on Diafta's). No access to even launch Primo in either incarnation?

 

I'll wait till there is a proper Euro version. Though I think I will stick with the std version for the moment as backing up, deleting and copying took ages.

 

What difference does a Euro/US unit make?

The Euro version will support TMC and UK English TTS. If you tap on "Destination" in the top menu, it will bring you to a new menu where you can launch all 3rd party programs.

Hi,

I have an AVIC F-320BT.

My navigator is NavGate and I don't like it so,with testmode, I have successfully installed Igo Primo but I can't resolve sound issue.

If I try to play a sound from windows CE wiht a sound test program, it says "Audio error".

I tried to play a sound from sd-card in AVIC normal mode and then reboot with testmode but I can't listen IGO audio.

My question is: is there a way to enable sound from windows CE?

If I start HMIManager.exe (main exe for NavGate navi program) from windows CE I can listen NavGate audio so I think HMIManager.exe starts something such as dll or initializes some audio driver. I want to perform same actions so I can listen IGO audio but I don't know what are these windows ce operations.

Thanks in advances

Good question! Attempting to do run everything in testmode would be much more work then modding the stock GPS program. If you could it would be best to launch Primo from inside your stock/custom mod to retain the most functionality. Anyways, to answer your question, no I don't know how to enable sound in windows CE.

Hi, I tried setting the GPS Lat & Long in sys.txt but it has made no difference, still in Paris apparently. I don't want to delete the French maps as I do drive there 3-4 a year.

 

I also set the time rather than let the system use auto. That produced some unexpected results. Namely the quick access icon on the screen disappeared to be replaced with a clock. But when I pressed the clock, I came to a map changer screen??? It listed, igo, primo, garmin, tomtom and a couple of others. Is that normal?

 

Still in Paris mind...

Could you temporarily delete or move the France maps for troubleshooting purposes? I never seen the screen you are refering to with Garmin, TomTom, ect before.

Thanks for the reply, Ryar! I am presently using Chucks mod with Primo.

That could be what is causing the memory problems as well. You say that the resources are cleared when Primo loads, but it does NOT! The Avic has its user data in a separate file, and not in the Data.zip of the current program. When Primo loads, it has all the resources of chucks mod which where the settings were first originated. Later today, I will try to clear my data in the user data folder and have primo load first always, so that Chucks Nav will not even be in the picture. This way, the resources will only be of the Primo Nav. I have adjusted the Sys.txt to adjust the memory values, and I still got freezes. There again, it could be that it was using the resources of the other mod. This is the reason that when changing mods, you have to delete the igo folder in the 'User Data' folder.

I suppose when I was referring to resources I meant RAM. A few examples on my unit as per WR-Tools ResInfo:

Stock iGo without Primo running: 219 MB total, 128 MB free

Stock iGo with Primo running (low mem requirements): 219 MB total, 91.9 MB free

Primo only, ezrider process killed: 219 MB total, 94.1 MB free

Ezrider killed, only AV and MainMenu processes running: 219 MB total, 148 MB free

Testmode, Primo running: 219 MB total, 156 MB free

I tried doing away with the stock iGo all together, but the pesky "System Startup, please wait" message never goes away so until we figure out a way to eliminate that message it is necessary that the stock iGo starts first. How much free space do you have on your unit? I only have Canada maps installed and have 400 MB free. I am confused as to what you are referring with the user data. Primo keeps its user data in the Primo\save folder, and stock igo in the user\userdata\iGo\save folder. i tried combing the two but had issues. I have found on occasion to have bugs when switching to a new/different mod and made it a habit of deleting my flash disk on the unit, installing a clean stock my flash disk and then the mod overtop. Perhaps there are some residual files clashing with the new ones on your unit?

A few questions perhaps you could help with, unrelated to your issue:

- Do you know if/how we can eliminate the "System Startup, please wait" screen? If we could stop the stock iGo from launching we wouldn't have to worry about freeing up RAM.

- Do you have any idea how iGo mutes the AV to speak a TTS instruction? Is it possibly in a UI file or is it the Pioneer shell watching the stock iGo and muting? It would be great if we could get Primo to mute the AV when speaking.

- We are having issues with Primo's hard buttons and thus far have only found the AEKMapScan work around. Would you have any idea what the Pioneer shell maps the up/down/side/side and Map buttons to? The only way I can think of finding this out is trying them one at a time, assuming the Pioneer Shell passes them through and doesn't send a zoom, ect command itself to the stock iGo.

What Mod will work with the x920bt if any yet?

It only works on the F series, x710bt and x910bt so far as I know. Check out the X-series section for specific information on your unit.

How about this?

Well, I have been testing this out now for days. It is very buggy, with constant freezes, and unable to lock satellite. I believe that one reason for this is the size of the Primo file (Data.zip) which is 35 mb in size. When I was creating my V 3.0 in beta during testing, it was originally 27mb in size because of all the new features and graphics that I have added. However, it was not stable and it froze regularly. I reduced the sizes and deleted several bmp's reducing the file size by 5 mb. After that it ran smoothly and was rock solid. I think that this is because of the Avics, low memory, that it cannot handle loading that much data at once from a file. Unfortunately, I looked into the internal workings of the Primo file and it cannot be reduced to a much lower level. I managed to get it down to 34 mb, and that is it. To be able to use Primo flawlessly, I would think that the Avic would need more physical memory

Hey Abb,

Out of curiosity, what mod are you using to launch Primo? One thing Chuck and myself have found is that if you use a close command rather then a kill command on ezrider it does not free up the required memory for it to run properly. Before providing any files here I had driven a 3000 km round trip over the course of a week with Primo using my f500bt and it did not have a single memory error. It even came in/out of standby perfectly when shutting off and turning on the engine for a <3 second resume. During that trip I had driven through them mountains using a premium DEM file (tremendous detail) , and had used a TTS Pro voice as well. That was long before the I learned to use the low memory requirement commands in the sys.txt. I have read somewhere that if the GJ skin is used it uses additional memory, although I had not had any trouble when using it.

Unfortunately, some users (mostly Euro AVIC users) had reported the satellite lock issue. Although the GPS gets a fix it does not show their present location on the map and shows a different location (usually in another country). I had tried to help with a fix, but unfortunately not having the issue myself it is difficult to troubleshoot and at seems as though there is little information online with people having similar issues. I did not notice that Primo took longer to get a fix then the stock iGo; although it may take a little longer when getting a fix for the 1st time. With AVICnet, if the stock Igo has a GPS fix when Primo launches it immediately realizes your position as it uses a port splitter to allow multiple program to use the GPS.

Although I agree that the AVIC F series (X710bt and X910bt included) is aging, I disagree that it lacks the resources to run a more current program such as Primo. So long as the resources are freed up before launch I had not experienced any issues. Feel free to provide additional details as to when Primo is freezing on your unit and I will do my best to help troubleshoot.the issue.

Regards,

ryar

 

Hi Ryar,

How about a copy of "My Flash Disk" from and Australian F900BT for an Australian version???

 

I have this unit in my Toyota HiLux 4X4 and the iGo maps are useless offroad. I'd love to be able to put an OziExplorer map on it for offroad use

Sure, after we get the Euro version working properly I will need some files from your Aussie AVIC. I will PM you. In the meanwhile, you could try the NA download. TMC and Aussie TTS probably won't work but if that is secondary for you it should hold you over. Note if you have a f500bt oziexplorer doesn't want to see the GPS, but it is working on a f900bt.

Done!

Thanks! A few good places to find maps are here and here.

HI Ryar:

Great job on the language changeover! NOw the question is where can I get link for OziExplorer, TomTom and Garmin Maps?

Thanks

Jimbo

Thanks! Can you edit your previous post and delete the quote from post #1? It takes up a lot of unnecessary space.

Where do we stick skins like Abb's and chuck's?

If you are refering to schemes, copy them to the apl2\igo\content\scheme folder.

How does this doe with BT drivers? I ask because I've seen some BT OBDII readers and it'd be cool to hook into it while I was driving.

No idea if we will ever get the OBDII working, our AVICs have handicapped bluetooth which probably won't allow us to connect that way. I will try out an OBDII to usb unit first and see how that goes. If you have any luck, let us know!

I have one,how can I get it to you?

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