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Why in the world would you sort artist by FIRST name? go back to any music store, any library, artist/author is sorted under LAST name, that is the way it's done, and yes, always has been.

 

Also the whole "the" situation shows that better written apps are smart enough to know to ignore A, The, etc, sorting artists with The under T is the sign of bad/sloppy programming.

My point exactly.

We aren't having the same problem.

 

I updated my iPhone to firmware 4.0 and that is when it started. The day before when I was running a different firmware it did not do that. The alphabet system worked great in my 2000+ song library. Band names would appear under their respective letter almost instantly when pushed.

 

I'm just trying to figure out why there is a delay now. Thanks for your input though. -Seel

Interesting. I use it with a regular iPod, although I have used my iPhone on occasion. Just out of curiosity, do you have "Sort Artist" information all throughout your library, or do you alphabetize your artist by first name--i.e., when you want (ex:) "Johnny Cash," do you push "J" or "C"?

figured that i would post that i figured out the solution. turns out that the program i used to tag all of my mp3s (musicbrainz picard) automatically added some sorting tags to all of my mp3s that my x910bt didn't like. here is a forum post that has more info about the tags that were present in the mp3s:

 

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I think it's a Pioneer bug. Despite the fact that the unit is supposedly "Made for iPod," I don't think Pioneer's genius programmers managed to figure out that iPod/iTunes has a "Sort Artist" field for people who want (ex:) Jimi Hendrix filed under "H" for Hendrix, and not "J" for Jimi, and who don't want him listed as "Hendrix, Jimi". I suppose you can't blame Pioneer, though--that feature was only added in what, iTunes 6.0? <sarcasm>

I was having the same problem as you - X920BT, 5000 or so songs in my iTunes library, but getting "Not Found" for 3/4 of the alphabet keys (including really common letters like "R" and "S"). As an experiment, I went into iTunes, selected my ENTIRE library (yes, that's EVERY song I own), clicked "Get Info," checked the boxes next to "Sort Artist," "Sort Album," and "Sort Album Artist", and deleted the information in each text box. (In other words, I deleted the Sort Artist, Sort Album, and Sort Album Artist information for *every* song in my library). After that was done, I synced my iPod, then took it and connected it to the unit. Every alphabet key now works, except I have to press "J" to find Jimi Hendrix (instead of "H"), "S" to find Stevie Ray Vaughan (instead of "V"), etc. And, of course, my whole iTunes library is now sorted by first name.

The really weird thing is that the "Sort Artist" bug screws up even seemingly unaffected letters. For example, I tried going back and re-inputting some of my "Sort Artist" data, thinking that maybe just one or two artists were the trouble. I got through the "A"s (Alan Jackson, etc.) no problem. After doing the "B"s, however, the "U" alphabet key stopped working. I don't have ANY artists whose first name begins with B, but whose last name begins with "U" -- why should (in effect) switching "Bruce Springsteen" to "Springsteen, Bruce" stop me from finding "U2"?

The other weird thing is that the "Sort Artist" bug doesn't seem to affect bands with "The" ("The Doors," "The Beatles," etc.) After clearing out all of the "Sort Artist" data, I expected that all of my "The _______" artists would be sorted under "T" in iTunes. Not so--"The Doors" were still under "D," "The Beatles" under "B," and so on. It appears that iTunes automatically recognizes "The ______" bands, and automatically puts the "Sort Artist" info in, even if you delete it. Even stranger, that DOESN'T seem to affect the Pioneer--pressing the alphabet "B" key gets me "The Beatles".

I've been really disappointed with the bugs, glitches, and seemingly poor quality control of this unit. I also have a Pioneer home theatre receivers, and it's just as buggy and unintuitive. I'm stuck with both of them for the next few years, but when time and $$$ present themselves, I'm dropping Pioneer like a bad habit.

The short answer -- no, I don't think there's a fix. Despite the fact that the unit is supposedly "Made for iPod," I don't think Pioneer's genius programmers managed to figure out that iPod/iTunes has a "Sort Artist" field for people who want (ex:) Jimi Hendrix filed under "H" for Hendrix, and not "J" for Jimi, and who don't want him listed as "Hendrix, Jimi". I suppose you can't blame Pioneer, though--that feature was only added in what, iTunes 6.0? <sarcasm>

I was having the same problem as you - X920BT, 5000 or so songs in my iTunes library, but getting "Not Found" for 3/4 of the alphabet keys (including really common letters like "R" and "S"). As an experiment, I went into iTunes, selected my ENTIRE library (yes, that's EVERY song I own), clicked "Get Info," checked the boxes next to "Sort Artist," "Sort Album," and "Sort Album Artist", and deleted the information in each text box. (In other words, I deleted the Sort Artist, Sort Album, and Sort Album Artist information for *every* song in my library). After that was done, I synced my iPod, then took it and connected it to the unit. Every alphabet key now works, except I have to press "J" to find Jimi Hendrix (instead of "H"), "S" to find Stevie Ray Vaughan (instead of "V"), etc. And, of course, my whole iTunes library is now sorted by first name.

The really weird thing is that the "Sort Artist" bug screws up even seemingly unaffected letters. For example, I tried going back and re-inputting some of my "Sort Artist" data, thinking that maybe just one or two artists were the trouble. I got through the "A"s (Alan Jackson, etc.) no problem. After doing the "B"s, however, the "U" alphabet key stopped working. I don't have ANY artists whose first name begins with B, but whose last name begins with "U" -- why should (in effect) switching "Bruce Springsteen" to "Springsteen, Bruce" stop me from finding "U2"?

The other weird thing is that the "Sort Artist" bug doesn't seem to affect bands with "The" ("The Doors," "The Beatles," etc.) After clearing out all of the "Sort Artist" data, I expected that all of my "The _______" artists would be sorted under "T" in iTunes. Not so--"The Doors" were still under "D," "The Beatles" under "B," and so on. It appears that iTunes automatically recognizes "The ______" bands, and automatically puts the "Sort Artist" info in, even if you delete it. Even stranger, that DOESN'T seem to affect the Pioneer--pressing the alphabet "B" key gets me "The Beatles".

I've been really disappointed with the bugs, glitches, and seemingly poor quality control of this unit. I also have a Pioneer home theatre receivers, and it's just as buggy and unintuitive. I'm stuck with both of them for the next few years, but when time and $$$ present themselves, I'm dropping Pioneer like a bad habit.

Despite the fact that the unit is supposedly "Made for iPod," I don't think Pioneer's genius programmers managed to figure out that iPod/iTunes has a "Sort Artist" field for people who want (ex:) Jimi Hendrix filed under "H" for Hendrix, and not "J" for Jimi. I suppose you can't blame them--that feature was only added in what, iTunes 6.0? <sarcasm>

I was having the same problem as you - 5000 or so songs, but getting "Not Found" for 3/4 of the alphabet keys (including letters like "R" and "S"). As an experiment, I went into iTunes, selected my ENTIRE library (yes, that's EVERY song I own), clicked "Get Info," checked the boxes next to "Sort Artist," "Sort Album," and "Sort Album Artist", and deleted the information in each text box. (In other words, I deleted the Sort Artist, Sort Album, and Sort Album Artist information for *every* song in my library). After that was done, I synced my iPod, then took it and connected it to the unit. Every alphabet key now works, except I have to press "J" to find Jimi Hendrix (instead of "H"), "S" to find Stevie Ray Vaughan (instead of "V"), etc.

The really weird thing is that the "Sort Artist" bug screws up even seemingly unaffected letters. For example, I tried going back and re-inputting some of my "Sort Artist" data, thinking that maybe just one or two artists were the trouble. I got through the "A"s (Alan Jackson, etc.) no problem. After doing the "B"s, however, the "U" alphabet key stopped working. I don't have ANY artists whose first name begins with B, but whose last name begins with "U" -- why should (in effect) switching "Bruce Springsteen" to "Springsteen, Bruce" stop me from finding "U2"?

I've been really disappointed with the bugs, glitches, and seemingly poor quality control of this unit. I also have a Pioneer home theatre receivers, and it's just as buggy and unintuitive. I'm stuck with both of them for the next few years, but when time and $$$ present themselves, I'm dropping Pioneer like a bad habit.

Fixed. Thank you for pointing that out.

Did the 2.0003 (or is it 2.003) update fix this issue?

The short answer -- no, I don't think there's a fix. Despite the fact that the unit is supposedly "Made for iPod," I don't think Pioneer's genius programmers managed to figure out that iPod/iTunes has a "Sort Artist" field for people who want (ex:) Jimi Hendrix filed under "H" for Hendrix, and not "J" for Jimi, and who don't want him listed as "Hendrix, Jimi". I suppose you can't blame Pioneer, though--that feature was only added in what, iTunes 6.0? <sarcasm>

I was having the same problem as you - X920BT, 5000 or so songs in my iTunes library, but getting "Not Found" for 3/4 of the alphabet keys (including really common letters like "R" and "S"). As an experiment, I went into iTunes, selected my ENTIRE library (yes, that's EVERY song I own), clicked "Get Info," checked the boxes next to "Sort Artist," "Sort Album," and "Sort Album Artist", and deleted the information in each text box. (In other words, I deleted the Sort Artist, Sort Album, and Sort Album Artist information for *every* song in my library). After that was done, I synced my iPod, then took it and connected it to the unit. Every alphabet key now works, except I have to press "J" to find Jimi Hendrix (instead of "H"), "S" to find Stevie Ray Vaughan (instead of "V"), etc. And, of course, my whole iTunes library is now sorted by first name.

The really weird thing is that the "Sort Artist" bug screws up even seemingly unaffected letters. For example, I tried going back and re-inputting some of my "Sort Artist" data, thinking that maybe just one or two artists were the trouble. I got through the "A"s (Alan Jackson, etc.) no problem. After doing the "B"s, however, the "U" alphabet key stopped working. I don't have ANY artists whose first name begins with B, but whose last name begins with "U" -- why should (in effect) switching "Bruce Springsteen" to "Springsteen, Bruce" stop me from finding "U2"?

The other weird thing is that the "Sort Artist" bug doesn't seem to affect bands with "The" ("The Doors," "The Beatles," etc.) After clearing out all of the "Sort Artist" data, I expected that all of my "The _______" artists would be sorted under "T" in iTunes. Not so--"The Doors" were still under "D," "The Beatles" under "B," and so on. It appears that iTunes automatically recognizes "The ______" bands, and automatically puts the "Sort Artist" info in, even if you delete it. Even stranger, that DOESN'T seem to affect the Pioneer--pressing the alphabet "B" key gets me "The Beatles".

I've been really disappointed with the bugs, glitches, and seemingly poor quality control of this unit. I also have a Pioneer home theatre receivers, and it's just as buggy and unintuitive. I'm stuck with both of them for the next few years, but when time and $$$ present themselves, I'm dropping Pioneer like a bad habit.

I think this is a Pioneer quality control program -- I'm having the same problems as you guys, and have tried all of the same steps (reformatting, leaving files in "AVIC Z110" directory, taking folders out of "AVIC Z110" directory, trying different SD cards, etc.) I imagine that we all got units out of the same crappy non-quality controlled batch.

You can try calling Pioneer customer support...if you want nothing but frustration. I had the guy telling me to take all of the same steps I already took, then tell me that (wait for it) the unit was probably defective, and that even though it was under warranty, I'd need to (a) ship it back to Pioneer at my own expense, and ( sit with a big hole in my dashboard for 6-8 weeks while they repaired it (probably due to a backlog of repairing the other defective crappy units they put out).

mhermann,

I'd like to try the fix you suggested -- can you give a few more details? Ex: Did you already have the SD card in the unit, then went to "change background" and it suddenly showed up?

Thanks!

I got the same response from Pioneer. Luckily, I bought mine from a national dealer, so if the unit does require replacement, I won't hace to do it myself. Trolling the boards here, it looks like you and I aren't the only ones having jis problem, though.

Did that (with two different SD cards) -- unit simply won't recognize that an SD card has been inserted. The unit is only about a month and a half old, and this is the first time I've tried to use an SD card in it. The wonderfully helpful (sarcasm) folks at Pioneer Support told me that I would have to send the unit in for repairs at my expense. When I told them that I bought the unit from a dealer, and had no idea how to properly remove it from my car, they essentially stated that that wasn't their problem, and that I would need to pay someone to remove it from my car, if the dealer wouldn't.

So, even though Pioneer sold me a defective product, I need to pay through the nose to correct their error. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with this bug-ridden piece of crap until I sell my car, but I'm never buying a Pioneer product again.

Both. I tried the factory card--nada. I then formatted the factory card, downloaded the update, loaded it onto the factory card--still nothing. I then went to Best Buy, bought *another* micro sD card, formatted it, loaded the update onto it, and tried it. Nothing. My unit doesn't recognize that there has been an sD card inserted.

Did you ever solve the problem? I came across the exact same problem -- my unit won't read the SD card at all.

Did you ever get a solution to this? I'm having problems with my machine reading my SD card at all.

Did you ever get a reply to this? I'm having the same problem.

I downloaded Pioneer's new 2.003 update today, and after several frustrating attempts, could never get my X920BT to read the SD card. It seems like my unit doesn't even recognize that a card has been inserted--when I went to "Source" to try to look at the files on the SD card, the unit did not list "SD Card" as one of the possible sources. When I hit the "Eject" button, both "Eject CD" and "Eject SD Card" were greyed out. Anyone else have problems with the unit recognizing the SD card?

How do you do a full factory reset on the X920BT? I don't mean the "Reset Factory Default Settings" that you can get to in the "Settings" menu--I mean an entire wipe-the-memory, restore the unit to the way it was when it left the factory reset.

Having the same problem -- I actually ordered the card from Pioneer. I turned the car on, put the card in the unit, and....nothing happens. I turned off the car, then unplugged my iPod, turned off Bluetooth, put the sD card in the unit and....nothing happens. I then went back to my computer, reformatted the card (FAT32), downloaded the upgrade from Pioneer's website, extracted the zip file directly to the sD card, checked to see that there was nothing but the "Z110" folder in the root of the card. I took the card back to my car, turned on the unit, put in the card and....nothing happens. I then went to "Settings," chose "Reset Factory Defaults," then put in the card and....nothing happens. Any thoughts as to how to get this stupid update to work?

....and yes, I checked my system settings. I do NOT have the 2.003 update installed.

Think I might have found the problem, if not the solution. I took all of the songs off of my 30GB iPod. Then, in iTunes, I made a playlist of about 300-400 songs with artists from A to Z to 123. I then deleted the "Sort Artist" information from all of the songs in that playlist (so, for example, Frank Sinatra got placed under "F" for "Frank" instead of "S" for "Sinatra"). I loaded the "test" iPod with just the songs from my deleted-"Sort Artist" playlist, then plugged it into my X920BT. It worked perfectly--all of the letter tabs found the appropriate artists.

So, it appears that the AVIC series can't handle songs with "Sort Artist" information in iTunes. If, like me, you like to have your music sorted in true alphabetical order, it appears you have two choices: (1) put the data in the "Sort Artist" field in iTunes, knowing that it will screw with your Pioneer navi unit; or (2) actually rename all of your artists (for example, rename "Frank Sinatra" to "Sinatra, Frank" and rename "The Doors" to "Doors, The"). Neither solution is very satisfactory--this seems like something Pioneer could fix in a software update/bug fix. Anyone out there with connections to Pioneer that can suggest this fix to the appropriate people?

Think I might have found the problem, if not the solution. I took all of the songs off of my 30GB iPod. Then, in iTunes, I made a playlist of about 300-400 songs with artists from A to Z to 123. I then deleted the "Sort Artist" information from all of the songs in that playlist (so, for example, Frank Sinatra got placed under "F" for "Frank" instead of "S" for "Sinatra"). I loaded the "test" iPod with just the songs from my deleted-"Sort Artist" playlist, then plugged it into my X920BT. It worked perfectly--all of the letter tabs found the appropriate artists.

So, it appears that the AVIC series can't handle songs with "Sort Artist" information in iTunes. If, like me, you like to have your music sorted in true alphabetical order, it appears you have two choices: (1) put the data in the "Sort Artist" field in iTunes, knowing that it will screw with your Pioneer navi unit; or (2) actually rename all of your artists (for example, rename "Frank Sinatra" to "Sinatra, Frank" and rename "The Doors" to "Doors, The"). Neither solution is very satisfactory--this seems like something Pioneer could fix in a software update/bug fix. Anyone out there with connections to Pioneer that can suggest this fix to the appropriate people?

For what it's worth, you may want to check the "Sort Artist" field. Here's one strange result I got: For Eric Clapton, my iTunes lists the "Artist" as "Eric Clapton," but "Sort Artist" as "Clapton, Eric." Thus, as far as iTunes/my iPod are concerned, Eric Clapton is a "C" artist. The X920BT seems to think differently, however, -- when I press the "C" tab on my X920BT, I get a "Not Found." When I press the "E" tab, I get the following display:

Eric Clapton

The Clash

The Clovers

Johnny Clueless

Tom Cochrane

So, on the one hand, the X920BT seems to think "Eric Clapton" is an "E" artist (since nothing happens when I press "C", but it thinks Eric Clapton is the very first "E" artist). On the other hand, in the list of Artists, the X920BT lists Eric Clapton along with the rest of the "C" artists. I'm wondering if the X920BT ignores the "Sort Artist" field when organizing its letter tab, and therefore gets confused when it sees "Eric Clapton" among the "C" artists on the iPod.

The dealer and I tried four different iPods, with the following results:

(1) My 30GB 4th gen iPod Video loaded with about 400 songs -- didn't work

(2) My 80GB 6th gen iPod Classic loaded with about 3500 songs -- didn't work

(3) Dealer's iPod Nano loaded with about 400 songs -- worked

(4) Dealer's iPhone (unknown # of songs) -- worked

It's not a hardware issue with the iPod -- unless I happen to have two different iPods that both have hardware issues. It's also not an issue re: memory capacity -- my 400-song iPod didn't work, but the dealer's did. The most logical explanation seems to be that my ID3 tags are in some sort of format where they're not being read properly by the X920BT?

Had it installed by the dealer where I bought the stereo -- Pacific Stereo in California (www.pacificstereo.com).

From the dealer -- had it installed by Pacific Stereo in California.

That was Pioneer support's only suggestion -- didn't work for either iPod.